WarFact
Jun 19 2006, 05:03 PM
| | Personally, I also think the world is better with religion. As most people would say, christians and other religions believe in heaven and hell. They follow the 10 commandments and such. If we didn't have religion, there would be no moral code or moral ethics, to speak of. Nobody would be afraid of 'going to hell' or anything. Sure, there could probably be rules and laws made, but right now, it seems with religion, people are more afraid of doing anything bad because the consequences are too dire to risk.
So, yes my opinion is that the world is better with religion; however, we do need to try and do something about the religious wars. |
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cangor
Jun 19 2006, 05:22 PM
QUOTE(WarFact @ Jun 19 2006, 10:03 AM)  Personally, I also think the world is better with religion. As most people would say, christians and other religions believe in heaven and hell. They follow the 10 commandments and such. If we didn't have religion, there would be no moral code or moral ethics, to speak of. Nobody would be afraid of 'going to hell' or anything. Sure, there could probably be rules and laws made, but right now, it seems with religion, people are more afraid of doing anything bad because the consequences are too dire to risk.
So, yes my opinion is that the world is better with religion; however, we do need to try and do something about the religious wars.
But then again, religious wars will never end as long as there is religion... While the world without religion wouldn't have religious violence or discrimination, there would be violence based on the lack thereof.
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kasm
Jun 21 2006, 11:33 AM
QUOTE(BooZker @ Jun 19 2006, 01:29 PM)  You have to be joking. Seriously. Ever heard of a holocaust Just in case genocide means: In this case it was the Jews. The meaning of marriage? Between a man and women right. In the bible dosnt it say that? They took that law from the teachings in the bible right? And also for the 1,000,000,000,000 its is NATURAL! ANIMALS CAN BE GAY TOO! LOOK IT UP. Yah well the "rules" are a great thing. Look at the leader of the United States. He sends people to die everyday. Not to mention he allowed the excution of a mentally handicapped man in texas. So your saying without any religion the world would just calapse because we wouldnt know whats right and wrong. You only need 10% brain to figure out that hurting people is bad. A 3 year old knows that. And stealing DUH, chating on your wife, DUH. These are simple ways of life. You dont need a damn book to tell you this or form a society. You need common sence.
1. Has WW2 statred because Hitler want to do the holocaust?. This misplaces "cause" with "effect". Be logic. It is funny to put this as reasons for the war. Study the history. Read books and gain knowledge.
2. In WW2, 20 millions from the Soviet Union [which was Russia and other 15 Republics if you don't know]was killed. It is not only the jews were killed, Frensh, Polish and others were killed. Many countries even which didn't declared the war have suffered . For example Egypt where Athe famous Alemin Battele occured. Until now big area from western desert of Egypt full of mines and I wonder why Egpt don't seek compansation from Germany as Jews did and received. Hitler bomped Alexandria[the second city in Egypt if you need add knowledge].
3. You find the Words "marry" , "married" and marriage in the new and old Bible and also the definition by Jesus and Moses.
4. We know that hurting people is bad because of the values developed by religions and societies that took them , the schools and ..... What about killing animals? What about Plants?. How animal survives without eating either another animals and plants. Read about how the tribes were killing one another. How the war prisiners were sold. Read about how Geneva Convention and Red Cross were established and why. Read how the nurses sucrafies their lives to help soldirs in wars and after to help African nations against diseases.
5. 3 years old knows what the parents show them and not their genes . From the attitudes of the adults, from films, etc
6. Then it is naive method to think by using "1,000,000,000,000" to convice that "Animals can be Gay too. It is not by adding 12 zeros or more you prove your idea. It is abuse of mathematics. I need one case only that "Lion" live with "lion" or male dog" hasa sexual relation with male dog". Enough for me one approved example. and not by words as all your reply did for all points.
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Shadowshark
Jun 21 2006, 03:39 PM
I think the world would be terrable without religion. Religion gives people something to believe in and trust. Some people wrap thir whole life around one belivef. Telling them their wrong would make them fairly mad. Religon also keeps people in line. Think about it Chrishitan beliefs say though shall not kill. If it wasnt in there the law agenst killing may not have never been made sence it was never inforced before chrishtianity those are just some of my thoughts
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BooZker
Jun 21 2006, 06:06 PM
QUOTE 1. Has WW2 statred because Hitler want to do the holocaust?. This misplaces "cause" with "effect". Be logic. It is funny to put this as reasons for the war. Study the history. Read books and gain knowledge. He didnt want to, but he did. He knew he was going to kill people to get the to follow and believe him. Does this make it right then. I guess what your saying is, It's OK to go o war if you don't know its going to kill lots of people. QUOTE 2. In WW2, 20 millions from the Soviet Union [which was Russia and other 15 Republics if you don't know]was killed. It is not only the jews were killed, Frensh, Polish and others were killed. Many countries even which didn't declared the war have suffered . For example Egypt where Athe famous Alemin Battele occured. Until now big area from western desert of Egypt full of mines and I wonder why Egpt don't seek compansation from Germany as Jews did and received. Hitler bomped Alexandria[the second city in Egypt if you need add knowledge]. Are you arguing that this was NOT a holocaust. Because, yes, i now that. He wanted to get rid off everyone who was not perfect in his eyes. Sorry next time i wont use Jews as an example. QUOTE 3. You find the Words "marry" , "married" and marriage in the new and old Bible and also the definition by Jesus and Moses. That's great, but i really do not have the time to be looking up stuff in some book when it is not the law, and i was responding to how you said its scientific why you do not think gay marriage should be legal. QUOTE 5. 3 years old knows what the parents show them and not their genes . From the attitudes of the adults, from films, etc True somewhat, but don't ou think they would figure this out when the other kid they are playing with goes "OW OW THAT HURTS. STOP IT!" I think they would figure it out without adults. Although i don't have proof like you always want even when it common sence, but this is what i think and what i think many others would think also. QUOTE 6. Then it is naive method to think by using "1,000,000,000,000" to convice that "Animals can be Gay too. It is not by adding 12 zeros or more you prove your idea. It is abuse of mathematics. I need one case only that "Lion" live with "lion" or male dog" hasa sexual relation with male dog". Enough for me one approved example. and not by words as all your reply did for all points. Jease... can't you take a joke. I was using it as an adjective, which is legal in the english lanquage. It's also known as sarcasm. And it is not an abuse of mathematics, because it was a joke like the numbers "69" and "420" if i were to say those numbers you would say the same thing, wouldn't you? And if you want to give me proof i'll prove it like all those people in the gay marriage post, here, and other places. I just don't believe that you want proof... again. How many times do people have to show you this. I you think wikipedia is lying and those scientific documents then that is one thing, but your just always saying "Give me an example" or "Give me proof of that" and it just gets tiring. P.S. someone has been mesing with the poll because it was like 14 - 6 now its like 14-13. Someone has been deleting cookies of their computer. They should get warned. It just ruins the poll.
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truefusion
Jun 21 2006, 09:10 PM
QUOTE(BooZker @ whenever) And also for the 1,000,000,000,000 its is NATURAL! ANIMALS CAN BE GAY TOO! LOOK IT UP. Animals aren't gay naturally. They aren't really gay period. Just cause you see an animal having sexual intercourse with the same sex, doesn't mean it's gay. Animals have sexual urges. When that kicks in, they'll have sexual intercourse with whatever. Even a mop (yes, a mop, i bore witness to it; it was hilarious, but weird). It's not being gay, it's just a strong desire to have sex. QUOTE(BooZker @ whenever) Yah well the "rules" are a great thing. Look at the leader of the United States. He sends people to die everyday. Not to mention he allowed the excution of a mentally handicapped man in texas. Try not to blame one person for many. Not everyone takes everything into account. QUOTE(BooZker @ whenever) So your saying without any religion the world would just calapse because we wouldnt know whats right and wrong. It's possible, even if it doesn't seem like it. QUOTE(BooZker @ whenever) You only need 10% brain to figure out that hurting people is bad. A 3 year old knows that. And stealing DUH, cheating on your wife, DUH. These are simple ways of life. You dont need a damn book to tell you this or form a society. You need common sense. Common sense is usually learned. If you never told a child stealing is bad, or if the child never knew about stealing, what would happen? Sorry, but most things are learned, yes this includes morality. QUOTE(BooZker @ whenever) but don't ou think they would figure this out when the other kid they are playing with goes "OW OW THAT HURTS. STOP IT!" Sometimes, the kid inflicting the pain doesn't stop unless forced to. Like for your quote "OW OW", this declares the kid got whacked twice. If it hurt the first time, you'd figure the kid in pain would stop the second "attack," but maybe they weren't expecting a second "attack". And it looks like the kid dealing the damage didn't take the first "OW" into consideration. Since "OW" is in all caps the kid shouted. Maybe it was some bully that over powered a kid. Different story now, huh?  QUOTE(BooZker @ whenever) ..when it is not the law It's the law in other places. It may not be in your area, but don't limit things.  QUOTE(BooZker @ whenever) P.S. someone has been mesing with the poll because it was like 14 - 6 now its like 14-13. Someone has been deleting cookies of their computer. They should get warned. It just ruins the poll. I don't believe it's based on cookies. Only one way to find out right? But, if it's not based on cookies, then sweet!  Go for the "no"'s!  P.S. Tested it, it's not based on cookies. No warning needed.
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kasm
Jun 30 2006, 12:30 PM
QUOTE(BooZker @ Jun 22 2006, 04:06 AM)  He didnt want to, but he did. He knew he was going to kill people to get the to follow and believe him. Does this make it right then. I guess what your saying is, It's OK to go o war if you don't know its going to kill lots of people. Are you arguing that this was NOT a holocaust. Because, yes, i now that. He wanted to get rid off everyone who was not perfect in his eyes. Sorry next time i wont use Jews as an example. That's great, but i really do not have the time to be looking up stuff in some book when it is not the law, and i was responding to how you said its scientific why you do not think gay marriage should be legal. True somewhat, but don't ou think they would figure this out when the other kid they are playing with goes "OW OW THAT HURTS. STOP IT!" I think they would figure it out without adults. Although i don't have proof like you always want even when it common sence, but this is what i think and what i think many others would think also. Jease... can't you take a joke. I was using it as an adjective, which is legal in the english lanquage. It's also known as sarcasm. And it is not an abuse of mathematics, because it was a joke like the numbers "69" and "420" if i were to say those numbers you would say the same thing, wouldn't you? And if you want to give me proof i'll prove it like all those people in the gay marriage post, here, and other places. I just don't believe that you want proof... again. How many times do people have to show you this. I you think wikipedia is lying and those scientific documents then that is one thing, but your just always saying "Give me an example" or "Give me proof of that" and it just gets tiring. P.S. someone has been mesing with the poll because it was like 14 - 6 now its like 14-13. Someone has been deleting cookies of their computer. They should get warned. It just ruins the poll.
1. The debate point is :"has the WW2 was for religious reason?. I said and history support me it didn't. Hitler didn't start the war to kill Jews. It is in result of the war. That why I said you misplaced "cause" and "effect". I also gave examples of 20 million persons from Soviet Republics were killed and Egypt which hasn't declared war was bombed too.
2. The threat is not about Holocaust and the results of that war wasn't only the Holocaust but many suffering and disasters. The threat is not about what actions were in that war.
3. If you don't have any time to give me one example about homosexuality in the animals of the nature, then don't argue. I gave you some examples that lion has a particular space and doesn't allow another one in his space. BEE queens divide the kingdom to not allow two female in the same place. Instead of saying millions in last reply and now saying it was joke and wrote 5 lines having nothing , give me one exampled with reference by page or issue. That the logical discussion. Saying wikipedia and stop is not the answer. You have to post the url by which I visit , read and investigate. By the way for your knowledge "wikipedia" can be edited (including addition) by any one then it is not the final say. Exactly as you accused some by deleting cookies and affect the poll results. But minimum give it to me. I like to add knowledge.
4. I don't comet on the polls because it is statistically wrong (even without cheating) . It don't satisfy the rules of the statistical samples and statistical inference. That why the elections poll are mostly wrong. Morever there are things are not by the poll for example the results of the exams or the outpot of a trial
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dyknight
Jun 30 2006, 01:14 PM
The world won't be better without religion. People need some form of spiritual support. Something to turn to when all else fails. Something to give them hope when they struggle in the hours of darkness and the shackles of despair. The poor pray. The ill pray. The needy pray. It gives these people a sense of hope which would otherwise have been non-existent without religion. It is what makes people hold on till the last minute. Imagine what would have happened if the family members of the victims at the 9/11 attacks didn't have Jeus Christ to turn to. Imagine the despair, the sense of loss. Belief, I say, can be a strong source of strength. Of course it would be difficult to debunk that fact that many wars in history started because of religion. However, does this necessary mean that a world without religion will be a world without wars? Definitely no. It must also be noted that religion has also played a part in avoiding wars and promoting diplomacy. When interviewed by TIME, Imelda Marcos, wife of former Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos, said the following in response to the question on how she negotiated with Gaddafi to stop Libya's backing for the separatist Moro National Liberation Front in Mindanao: QUOTE Gaddafi said to me: Your're a good woman, why don't you become a Muslim? I said I didn't know Islam. He said Islam is kind, so I said, then don't let Mindanao separate from Philippines. He said Islam is generous, so I said, then give us oil at a low friendship price. I ended up with getting eight concessions, including cheap oil.
It can thus be concluded that it is presumptous to dismiss religion as useless in today's world.
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seastien
Jun 30 2006, 03:00 PM
If I think about a world without a religion, we can see no more religion wars. I think it would be better because a world without religion is a science world so people would have more logical ideas. peace
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dyknight
Jul 1 2006, 12:59 AM
QUOTE(seastien @ Jun 30 2006, 11:00 PM)  If I think about a world without a religion, we can see no more religion wars. I think it would be better because a world without religion is a science world so people would have more logical ideas. peace
No offence, but I beg to differ. A world without religion is a science world. Yes. A science world so people would have more logical ideas. No. Religion causes people to have illogical ideas. No. Logic, I reckon, can only happen when people are in the correct state of mind. When people let the head rule the heart and not the other way round. Does being entirely scientific allow people to have perfectly logical ideas? There will definitely be times where even the scientist loses control of emotions and turns irrational and illogial. Human beings are, after all, not robots, but living and thinking creatures with emotions and impulses. Moreover, contrary to your point, religion helps people to generate logical ideas. Many a times one may have criminal impulses, but religion causes one to control oneself and step back from the verge of offence. Guilt, resulting from religion, also brings about resent and remorse, allowing rehabilation. Even in a modern world of today, religion is used to counsel ex-offenders and prisoners.
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