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A World Without A Religion?

Chronic
Human rules are based on Religous beliefs and based off the 10 commandments. Religion is also based on faith. Think about when cavemen were around, would we still be like them because we couldn't be able to move on? It's complex when you think into it alot more.

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BooZker
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Human rules are based on Religous beliefs and based off the 10 commandments. Religion is also based on faith. Think about when cavemen were around, would we still be like them because we couldn't be able to move on? It's complex when you think into it alot more.

How does that work?! Christians have been around a LESS then most religions. So your saying that everyone was completely crazy, but christians came around and everyone is great? If that is what you think then i wulod beg to differ.


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Ok I have to poke my head in on this one.
Religion is not here to manipulate or control you. As a matter of fact, you have the right to choose, whether it is right or wrong, you can choose either. That's called free will.


haha yah, right, and if you don't follow all the rules you go to hell, but other then that yes, you are free.

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1) Do not base what you believe in on one person or a few peoples actions. For instance, George Bush says God talks to him, ok, well so what, God is not telling me what he says to him, so I don't know if it's true. And whether or not God does talk to him, he can choose to ignore anything God says.


I don't base it on one person. I base it on pver 100+ people i personaly know or have known. Don't get me wrong though. If you follow every rule i guess ya you would be a great person. Let's be real here though. Religion will never, ever, be interpretted the way it is supposed to.

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2) People are human, plain and simple. And do not want to own up tp anything they have done wrong. It's in our nature to lie. Therefore, if you believe in God and he tells you to confess your sins, people automatically put up a wall to do whatever they can to NOT confess or admit to doing anything wrong, because of the consequences of those actions.


What the hell are you talking about? Why would someone not confess? It's not like they are going ot get in trouble. They get to go heaven in christian beliefs if they do. That makes no sense what so ever. Maybe you do that, but it still makes no sense.

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No my faith in Him tells me that I have to be diligent and faithful to Him. And have passion about him, and therefore proving to others that He is God, the one and only.


This is one of the biggest reasons why i am not religious. I do not want to live for someone else. I want to live for me and not for someone else. I want to live my life the way i want and make my own descions. And i can say i have not made any large mistakes like mudering someone just fine without a book telling me that, that is bad.

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People will say, that I am forcing my religion on them or too radical about it, but it you believe in something great enough, and you want others to believe with you then you get passionate about it, and try to spread the news as best as you can and too as many people as you can.


I believe strongly in no religion and i know that i will never convet someone who does believe in a religion. So, i do not push it on them. I might mention what i believe, but i do not go door to door and do not send emails and bulletins on myspace. I do nothing of the sort. I will defend what i believe, but only defend and never attack.

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For instance, if you knew for a fact that a volcano was going to erupt, and you only had days to tell 1000 people to save them, but they didn't believe you because the volcano has been dead since before they were born, but you had seen the signs and researched it and truly believed it was going to erupt, and you didn't want to see those 1000 people die, wouldn't you do your best to convince as many people as you could just to save them? Would you go to all kinds of levels just to show them that it was going to erupt?


Volcanos you can see, feel, hear, and you can see graphs that will tell you if they are about to erupt. God you can not. If you could then people would all believe in one religion. Plus, heaven is something you can not prove and your already dead when you go. Volcano killing people is killing people who are alive and well. Your using something you really can't compare to compare. I would say something like. Wouldn't you want to try to save people and have them go to heaven IF it is really there.

 

 

 


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RuneMan
A World without religion. A good idea. Not possible though. Nobody is gonna give up religion that easily. But it is good not having a religion because this whole thing of discrimination will stop and things like the jihad and Holy War and all will stop.

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mtvoyagers
QUOTE(BooZker @ May 19 2006, 09:34 PM) *
A world without religion?


I was thinking about it and thought, you know, i think it would be better. Here are my reasons.

The biggest change in the world would be less wars. Think about it. Most wars are start because of religion. One of the reasons people came to America back in the 1700s was because they wanted freedom of whatever religion they wanted.

Another great thing that would come about it would be that laws would be made on what is actually bad. For example, the most well known mostly religious law is the banning of gay marriage. I don't know if they would accept it or not, but the descions would be for science and what could hurt people.

Another would be no one would discrimanate about religions and whats better. It would be just one more thing people could hurt feelings about.

There are more, but i want to save it to keep the topic going.

Remember i'm not saying that religion in bad, i am just saying i think the world would be better. Please don't say stuff like," Well people would kill each other because the bible tells them now they can't." We all know, or most of us, that people can still follow basic human rules such as killing people. Just think if people would wake up and forget about religion.


Valid point but i think we need the hope... the hope that somewhere there is more, something better, at certain times somepeople absolutly have amazing lives and say they dont need something better, but somepeople's lives are still ok, but not amazing, and in religion each religion has some sort of better life, or afterlife that somepeople use to make them feal better if someone they know passes, or for example me, if I am feeling rather low or over worked and stressed, or just want to get something off my shoulders I would pray and I would feel better thinking that someone, something out there can hear you. also we all have those basic humanitarian rules but there are more through the bible, and teachings all over the world thatmake life easier for us, also it is nice to have that thought that we were created at one point all of a sudden and that there is a point to us being here

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truefusion
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This is one of the biggest reasons why i am not religious. I do not want to live for someone else. I want to live for me and not for someone else. I want to live my life the way i want and make my own descions. And i can say i have not made any large mistakes like mudering someone just fine without a book telling me that, that is bad.

If you take care of someone, then you're probably living for someone else. If you truly are in it for yourself, you would not even dare help a rape victim who is being raped right in front of your eyes. When you help another person, you just crossed the line from living for yourself, to living for more than just yourself.

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I believe strongly in no religion and i know that i will never convet someone who does believe in a religion. So, i do not push it on them. I might mention what i believe, but i do not go door to door and do not send emails and bulletins on myspace. I do nothing of the sort. I will defend what i believe, but only defend and never attack.

There's no possible way to not be in any religion. Afterall, didn't you say several posts back that you are either an atheist or an agnostic? Eventhough you did not specify which one, i'ma guess you're an atheist, only because of how similar you act like them. Eventhough you say you don't attack, you could very well be attacking during your defense--even if it doesn't seem that way to you.

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Plus, heaven is something you can not prove and your already dead when you go.

Correction: One is not dead when they go to Heaven, they are alive. You can't judge the dead. Though, you're probably thinking that the body is the person. However, the body is just a detachable thing. The spirit is the person.

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DogEater008
i'm against religons. Most of the religons brainwash people into believing in nonsence things. Making countries fight between each other. Muslum killing Jewish and vice versa. For example, christians, they go around telling everybody that if they don't believe in their god, then they will go to hell. When a leader of a country is a religous person, it is easy to start wars with other country with a different dominate religion. Because of religion beliefs, stem-cells reason are stopped in the US because of our president being a "GOOD" christian.

In this world, only the riches are right and the rest is wrong. United States is a country with many rich christian/jewish, that is why, i believe that Isreal always have our support.

PS. i rather be a buddish than a christan.

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BooZker
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If you take care of someone, then you're probably living for someone else. If you truly are in it for yourself, you would not even dare help a rape victim who is being raped right in front of your eyes. When you help another person, you just crossed the line from living for yourself, to living for more than just yourself.


I am not talking about one hour, one day, one week, or even a month, i am talking about my entire life. My way of trying to show you what i mean is like this:

God is like your parent for life and you never become and adult. It is liking living up to your parents for ever and always trying to impress them and do what they want and never what you want simply because it makes you a better person.

I can live just fine without trying to live up to being Jesus Christ or Buddha because they were one of a kind.

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There's no possible way to not be in any religion. Afterall, didn't you say several posts back that you are either an atheist or an agnostic? Eventhough you did not specify which one, i'ma guess you're an atheist, only because of how similar you act like them. Eventhough you say you don't attack, you could very well be attacking during your defense--even if it doesn't seem that way to you.


Here is what dictionary.com said, or at least one of the many definitions.
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a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.


Your right it is impossible and i didn't know that religion was just a set of beliefs. My definition in my head was a belief or beliefs of high powers. Obviously wrong, but my new statment is "i believe stongly in no high power other then the human race"

Yes, your also might i might be attacking, but it is in defense. I never EVER start a conversation about how my religion is better or how stupid a certain religion is. Even look at this post. I never said that any kind of religion was bad i was just asking what the world would be like without a religion. So in response, i try not to attack unless i was attacked first about my beliefs.

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Correction: One is not dead when they go to Heaven, they are alive. You can't judge the dead. Though, you're probably thinking that the body is the person. However, the body is just a detachable thing. The spirit is the person.


Good correction. I meant to say there is no way to prove that heaven is real because there is no way to communicate between the two places.

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truefusion
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God is like your parent for life and you never become and adult. It is liking living up to your parents for ever and always trying to impress them and do what they want and never what you want simply because it makes you a better person.

I can live just fine without trying to live up to being Jesus Christ or Buddha because they were one of a kind.

Oh, ok, i understand now. I thought you meant differently. Like, for example, someone extremely close to you can't get out of bed, cause they lost their legs or something, and you help them by getting them stuff they need to save them the effort. Glad you cleared things up.

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Thorned Rose
QUOTE(BooZker @ Sep 4 2006, 08:04 PM) *

I can live just fine without trying to live up to being Jesus Christ or Buddha because they were one of a kind.


I agree - this is something I keep saying but I keep getting attacked by Christians for saying it. I believe that humans are perfectly capable of living their lives in a good way without having resorting to religious indoctrination to do it but I keep being told that humans are fundamentally sinful and weak and can't possibly be decent people without god's guidance. Funny, because I'm a good person, more moralistic than many people purporting to be christians. It comes down to integrity not religious beliefs.
I was talking about the concept of living up to religious figures the other day and how silly it was of the Council of Nicea to make Jesus the "son of god" rather than a prophet as he was up until that time. Rolemodels are far easier to follow when you can relate to them and see them for people. No human on this earth could live up to the standards of a 'divine being'! Rolemodels are far more effective when we can look and them and say "What an amazing person. If they can do it, so can I!". You can't say that of someone who is 'divinely perfect'. You just end up wasting your whole life trying to attain the unattainable. I'm not saying that because Jesus as the son of god is perfect, his teachings aren't worth merit, just that he is a better role model as a person.
Even then, you still don't need someone to 'follow' to be a good person. As I said, it comes down to integrity. I hold myself accountable to my actions, I don't need someone or something else to do that for me. If I want to continue to be a good person I need to hold myself accountable for my actions and own my mistakes and learn from them. I hardly think screwing up and then getting god's forgiveness straight away just because you are a Christian etc makes for very good integrity. Hence why reincarnation was another thing taken out of the Bible - if people thought they got another chance at life, they could do what they want and be damned with the consequences because ultimately there weren't any - they would still go to heaven and they could be a better person next time round just so long as they said the right prayer and genuflected at the right moment.
I'm probably going to be flamed by Christians for saying the Bible has been changed but I don't apologise for being factual.

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darran
I am split on this issue. It is these religions that have taught us what is right or wrong, maybe not directly as we are free to choose for ourselves but then again they are the ones which teach us what is the right things to do. For me, they are the building blocks in building one's character and ethics, and it also plays a part in their morals. For example, to some religions, we are not allowed to do certain things but in the other religions these are condone. That brings out the different kind of people we see today.

But then again, without religions in this world, there would probably be no fightings between religions, and we can see the world become a much more peaceful loving place to be in. Everybody would be on the equal stand, there is nothing to disagree on since there is no religion to affect how one thinks. And it is the actions of people who wants to bring down the religion you are having so that you will have a reason to join them, I believe this is the lowest a human can get to with regards to getting more followers for their religion.

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