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A World Without A Religion?

kasm
QUOTE(BooZker @ Jul 29 2006, 07:55 AM) *

Yes, true. Are you saying that because they do not beat kids now that they are street kids? There was a study which i should not bring up because it is controversial and it will change this post, but it says why there are so many street kids now then there was before.

That seems kind of odd though. Wasn't there a lot of black people where they were. I mean it's not like they were in Russia. They were areas like the middle east and africa. I'm not saying they were racist, but why would he be called the black when most of the people were very dark in color. Plus i would be pissed off and bring terror if i was a slave. Just like most places, you have to fight for freedom. It's not like you can just be,"i'm a slave and i wish it would change," it's not like that at all.

See that is not how i see it. I see it as a union between two persons. Plus if your in America isn't that blocking your LEGAL right of choice of religion? What if their religion was to marry someone of the same sex only? Just like you have to have certain shots to get into school, UNLESS, you religion says it's not right.
Well yah, No animals get married. If it was a male and female or male and male or even a female and female no animals get married. Marriage was made up by humans.

This is slightly off topic, but i have just a couple questions:

1. Before Jesus died, in the Christian belief, did all people go to hell?
2. If God is so nice why did he create the flood to wipe everyone out? That seems more like actions of a Devil. No matter how you look at it, it was an evil action. Murder is murder not matter what, correct? It was not self defence. Plus, if they had free will why would it matter what they did. It was their choice. So in conclusion, no matter how you see this it will always be evil. Please don't say well Noah. told them because there is no way he could tell the entire world.


1. I will not go to discuss the street kids or homeless. You can initiate a topic for us. Only I said that while parents has no right to displines their kids, they are responsibles of the damages their kids do what in my view unjust.

2. You asked me why they call him "Moses the Black" and I answered. He was from Ethiopia then he was pure black not as the Egyptian. If you want reference I can give you but this is not our point.. In that place was many Moses and to distinguish them they use another character (the tall, the black, the fat, etc...). That was not racism. The opposite they upgrade him to become famous Saint. I give the story of "St Moses the Black" as how a murder and bandit can be transformed to be pure and saint by beliefs and religion.

3. The slaves in ancient times has no will and you see how they were treated in US until 50 years ago. How many generation was passed until they got their FREEDOM. Don't till me that if you was you break up in weeks that situation. In history not only black were slaves but the war prisoners and the conquered cities women were sold as slaves and there were market for that. Religions which influenced step by step for their freedom and equality. Islam started to liberate all slaves. Also Islam stopped killing girls babies habits among Arab before among the poor.

4. I am summarizing what Christian and sometimes the Jews believe. Whatever you agree or not.
i. Christian believe that people before Jesus Crucifixion were in temporary place and they released after eliminating the original sin (Adam's sin). Jews still waiting the Messiah.
ii. God is Love and mercy but also JUST. Exactly as father or the judge in Court. The flood was happened for the sin of people (that what you can read in Bible). Sodom city set in fire because there were no more than 10 persons in the city doing the God's order. Ancient Egyptian also believed on the judgment in the after death life and every has account for his first life.
ii. there were many time in old testament, where God order to kill people for their sin and purify the group. Both Christian and Jews believes that were just whatever you agree or not.
iv. It is not matter what I see it or you see it. But it is matter of belief of Christian , Jews and Muslim.
v. People wasn't need Noah to told them about the wrong things. These were the responsibilities of all parents from generation to generation since the head of the tree (Adam & Eve). Only Noah did the Ark to save his family and samples of the other animals [that was the story]. People some times were needed prohibits or messenger to remind them.

5. You speak a lot about murderer and forget what your citizen in US are doingevery where and how they Justifying what Israel is doing. You repeat that murder is murder but don't till your people to stop doing that. Also executing the murders (I don't against) must me murder too.

6. I already agreed that marriage is human invition and defined as partenership between a male and female . No animal and no any religion contradict that so it is hypothical your question what if their relegion allow that

 

 

 


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brandice
A world where religion did not exsist would be impossible, as we are born curious about the underlying principles in religion. Any religion is basically just a series of stories outlining three things:

How we humans got on earth.
Where we are going after we die.
How we should behave in our lifetime to get to the right place after we die.

We think, we wonder, and therefore we have religion.

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Lunar
Hey,

I do think that a world without religion would be much more better. Why you ask? Well there wouldn't be so many people with problems in beliefs or what not. Also I think there wouldn't be much conflict. People argue too much sometimes if they believe in something else. One person gets ticked and start hating that group of people or religion. Also there wouldn't be so many complications in life. Like I heard in one religion that you can't love something other than a person. Your joking right..?

But then again there is a bad side to this aswell. We would all be blinded by the mysteries. Like Brandice had said, we wouldn't know how we got on the earth, where we are going to go after we die and how we should act in our after-life. There would be many questions brought with this. And then nobody will be able to know them because no one has studied the specified religion.

So there isn't a win/lose situation here. Just a little mishap. These are what I have to say about this.

~Lunar

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BooZker
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~Lunar


I know your new here so i'll tell you so you don't get other people telling you haha. Don't sign your name. Thanks

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A world where religion did not exsist would be impossible, as we are born curious about the underlying principles in religion. Any religion is basically just a series of stories outlining three things:

Indeed, but that is why religion is becoming less "needed" Remember the sun god and rain god in history class? Well we now know why there is rain and sun, so there is no need for a rain god anymore. Eventualy we will come to find out more and more and less god's there will be. How many gods are there now? Really there is not many.

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Only I said that while parents has no right to displines their kids, they are responsibles of the damages their kids do what in my view unjust.

I believe this also. If a child does something wrong it is the child's fault somewhat, but it is the parents job to teach them wrong and right and to correct their behavior.
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2. You asked me why they call him "Moses the Black" and I answered. He was from Ethiopia then he was pure black not as the Egyptian. If you want reference I can give you but this is not our point.. In that place was many Moses and to distinguish them they use another character (the tall, the black, the fat, etc...). That was not racism. The opposite they upgrade him to become famous Saint. I give the story of "St Moses the Black" as how a murder and bandit can be transformed to be pure and saint by beliefs and religion.


I didn't think it was racism. I was just wondering why they called him that sense there are many black people where they are in the bible.

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4. I am summarizing what Christian and sometimes the Jews believe. Whatever you agree or not.
i. Christian believe that people before Jesus Crucifixion were in temporary place and they released after eliminating the original sin (Adam's sin). Jews still waiting the Messiah.
ii. God is Love and mercy but also JUST. Exactly as father or the judge in Court. The flood was happened for the sin of people (that what you can read in Bible). Sodom city set in fire because there were no more than 10 persons in the city doing the God's order. Ancient Egyptian also believed on the judgment in the after death life and every has account for his first life.
ii. there were many time in old testament, where God order to kill people for their sin and purify the group. Both Christian and Jews believes that were just whatever you agree or not.
iv. It is not matter what I see it or you see it. But it is matter of belief of Christian , Jews and Muslim.
v. People wasn't need Noah to told them about the wrong things. These were the responsibilities of all parents from generation to generation since the head of the tree (Adam & Eve). Only Noah did the Ark to save his family and samples of the other animals [that was the story]. People some times were needed prohibits or messenger to remind them.


Thanks. I was wondering how that worked.

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5. You speak a lot about murderer and forget what your citizen in US are doingevery where and how they Justifying what Israel is doing. You repeat that murder is murder but don't till your people to stop doing that. Also executing the murders (I don't against) must me murder too.


I DO! I am very liberal and i would never join the army. I litteraly HATE George Bush and i think he is thee worst president we have ever had. I think we should back off. George Bush is the one who says god speaks to him and tells him to kill human lives. Trust me i don't think any god would tell one person that he should go and kill children and ruin familes. I know you didn't mean it, but to me that is very offensive to say I justify that. That is against ALL of my morals and beliefs. War is such a stupid thing.

 

 

 


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Gem
If you think about, A world without religon would be great. Fro example, World War I and II wher both caused mainly because of religon. Also racism wouldnt exist that would be great. But if you think, human have built theyre life on relgion, if we didnt have it, music wouldnt exist, our technology problalby wouldnt exist and i even think if theyre was no religon back 1000 years ago those people still wouldnt be able to talk, the anicent Greeks and Romans based theyre life on religon and so did most of the othre ancinet civilisations. Also super heroes wouldnt exist so if we did have a world without religon, there would be no movies as these super heroes would exist, also if we didnt have religon, no one would have courage, fear and hope. So thats why a world without religon would be really bad!

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truefusion
QUOTE(BooZker @ Aug 4 2006, 06:58 PM) *

Indeed, but that is why religion is becoming less "needed" Remember the sun god and rain god in history class? Well we now know why there is rain and sun, so there is no need for a rain god anymore. Eventualy we will come to find out more and more and less god's there will be. How many gods are there now? Really there is not many.

There has always been one God above all other gods. Oh, and here's a link for you: http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/sciencebible.html biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Gem @ Aug 4 2006, 08:21 PM) *
[1]Fro example, World War I and II wher both caused mainly because of religon. [2]Also racism wouldnt exist that would be great.

[1]They were not started cause of religion. It may have affected many religious groups and many other groups, but it was not started by religion.
[2]False. Religion teaches you not to judge/prejudge others (Matthew 7:1-5), and not to discriminate (Leviticus 19:18).

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BooZker
Jease, i never though this would be such a popular topic. I mean 57 votes? Look how many replies also! This is great because i have learned a lot about all religions. And Kasm i hope you don't think i'm arguing with you haha. Truefusion has been a lot of help too.
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There has always been one God above all other gods. Oh, and here's a link for you: http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/sciencebible.html


I read it, but no matter what everything is interpreted. Even the law everyday. This also supported my opinion about how the world will need a god less as science learns more. Let's just say that tomorrow there was proof of how the world started and it started through the big bang (I am not saying that i believe that) What would people do then? They would get rid of that idea. The same way they did with the rain god for example. Another example that is much more recent is that the Catholic church has accepted evolution. So the Adam and Eve story is just a story to Catholics, or Catholics who believe this. Just like anything, however there will be people who will not believe it no matter how much proof. There are still people who believe the world is flat haha. Seriously. I don't have the site here, but i can keep looking if you want proof. It's actually really funny.

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truefusion
QUOTE(BooZker @ Aug 5 2006, 08:14 PM) *
Let's just say that tomorrow there was proof of how the world started and it started through the big bang... What would people do then?

Well, i don't see how it would contradict Abrahamic religions. So, it would be widely accepted. Just another way in finding out: How/Why did God do it? Oh, and did you know the Big Bang theory supports I.D.? wink.gif

And here's something that you might hear Christians saying:
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The Big Bang theory: God spoke and BANG it happened!


QUOTE(BooZker @ Aug 5 2006, 08:14 PM) *
Another example that is much more recent is that the Catholic church has accepted evolution.

The Catholics are just trying to make peace. Just like they stopped commenting on gay rights. Just like one of the Popes kissed the Quran.

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alexviii
The question is:

A LIFEWithout A Religion?

the answer will be:

Take out religion from my life, you will take out sense of life!!

And you all know what I'm talking about: all people that have chosen "yes" know that their life have no sense or are sure that life don't need sense, because they don't find one.

take out religion from mens, they will look for sense, they will not find one, and they will be like modern men's

(however, I can understand onces who says:" I can't beleve to something that I can't see")-(even if they belive tosomething like: love, time, etc..)

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FiNk045
I kind of waiver in between the 2 sides. I don't like religion. I am a faithful christian, and do attent church weekly, but I don't like "religion". Even God himself doesn't want "religion". Really, what all these religions want is for it to be a belief. God wants religion to die, and have mankind be in the christian belief. Without religion, alot in the world would be different. It would probably be better. But in my opinion, i think people SHOULD follow a belief, not one that would lead them to war with anyone with a different. people should just believe in what they want, what they believe is right, and what they think is best for them. I'm not here to preach so I'm not going to tell you to believe in this, but I found my place in the christian belief and it's made life alot better. It's not a bad idea, and I would most definately refer this over the rest.

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