BooZker
Jul 21 2006, 09:54 PM
| | QUOTE Well, if you really believe, then you'll know that homosexuality is a sin, just like any other, because it says so in the Bible. And then you won't want to be gay because you want to please God.
See, although many say so, it does not say in the bible "being homosexual is a sin." Does it? If so where. It says marriage is one man and one women i know, but does it say being gay is a sin? I'm pretty sure no. Plus what have they ever done to God to deserve to go to hell other then liking someone of the same sex. Seems a bit harsh to me. That's one reason i'm not Christian. Not because i'm gay, but the "rules" are just so... weird.
QUOTE Do you believe there's absolute truth?
I looked and couldn't find the definition of this. What does it mean? |
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pixieloo
Jul 22 2006, 09:37 PM
QUOTE(BooZker @ Jul 21 2006, 05:54 PM)  See, although many say so, it does not say in the bible "being homosexual is a sin." Does it? If so where. It says marriage is one man and one women i know, but does it say being gay is a sin? I'm pretty sure no. Plus what have they ever done to God to deserve to go to hell other then liking someone of the same sex. Seems a bit harsh to me. That's one reason i'm not Christian. Not because i'm gay, but the "rules" are just so... weird.
" 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." Leviticus 18:22 "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them has done what is detestable." Leviticus 20:13 God created one man and one woman (Adam and Eve) to be together. He told them to "be fruitful and increase in number" (Genesis 1:28), which is one of the primary reasons for marraige. Just because someone believes something doesn't make it true, right? What I mean by absolute truth is- if you believe that there's no God just because you don't believe it, does that mean there's no God for you? or God only exists because people believe he exists? QUOTE "Truth" is defined as: "the real state of things; fact; reality; an accepted statement or proposition." Some suggest that there is no true reality, only perceptions and opinions, while others argue that there must be some absolute basis. This being said, we can say that there are two diametrically-opposed beliefs related to absolute truth:
Either:
1. There are no absolutes that define reality. Everything is relative, and thus there is no actual reality. There is ultimately no authority for deciding if an action is positive or negative; right or wrong.
Or:
2. There are absolute realities, or standards, that define what is real and what is not. Thus, actions can be deemed right or wrong based upon how they measure up against absolute standards.
that's completely taken off of http://www.absolutetruth.net/truth/I don't know if I'm making sense. Heh.
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BooZker
Jul 23 2006, 09:07 PM
QUOTE Just because someone believes something doesn't make it true, right? What I mean by absolute truth is- if you believe that there's no God just because you don't believe it, does that mean there's no God for you? or God only exists because people believe he exists? Oh ok thank. Here is my answer: I believe there is no God. If someone else believes there is a God that is there belief. I do not think there is a God, but there could be one and i have no idea because just like everyone here no one knows 100% what God is. I'm saying that i just simply do not believe it. There could be a God however, just because i do not believe that doesn't make it right. I do not think though that if i have been a good person and there was a God he should send me to hell because i have done nothing any worse then every common person out there. I do not believe because i have seen no proof. I DO NOT WANT PEOPLE SENDING ME THERE PROOF! I have seen no hard evidence. People say all the time,"What about gravity?" Well if you hold a pen up in there air and drop it what happens? It falls. Also if you drop a baseball and a bowling ball they will fall at the same speed. And lastly, you can do at anytime anywhere, on Earth, and the same results will happen. Show me how you can do this with God? You can't and that is why i don't believe in God. There could very well be one. And i have no problem with people believing in God. What i hate is when people send me stuff saying all this stuff about how great God is. It will almost always be one of the two outcomes too, 1. They are the same religion 2. They are not that religion and just throw it away or delete it. Does that answer it? If there is a God i just do not believe in him/her/it. As simple as that. I can't believe something and make it reality. If there is a God i can't change that.
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Shadow Knight
Jul 24 2006, 07:28 AM
I would say it would be much better, for the fact that all they do is cause drama and problems. They are always fighting about who is true religion and who the real god is, personal i see this as stupid.....they act like littles kids fighting over a toy. They cause wars, death, brainwash, hate, drama.....what more can i say. They do nothing good for the wolrd but cause problems and create hate against one another.
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Cerebral Stasis
Jul 24 2006, 07:59 AM
Everyone needs something to look forward to, but religion isn't always the best way to go, since it can cause holy wars, prejustice, unfair/unnecessary rules, etc. Note, I'm not saying that society should throw away ethics - that would just be moronic, but basing those ethics off of fairytales and having them woven with personal opinions (a hate of homosexuality, bestiality, etc. while nowhere in the Bible does it say that pedophilia is wrong, while pedophilia is a much more damaging sexual practice) only causes trouble.
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kasm
Jul 28 2006, 02:06 PM
QUOTE(BooZker @ Jul 16 2006, 06:34 AM)  That's dumb to say because my mom went to a catholic school and the nuns used to hit her when she did anything bad. Now she learned thats bad from her self and telling her self she would never hit her kids or let anyone else do it. She never learned that from religion at all.
Why is he called "the black"? I'm just curious.
Jesus WAS a real person. He was very nice and caring and peaceful. I have never met him so i dont know what his beliefs are on certain subjects, but if he is what they say he is in the Bible he would love EVERYONE and forgive EVERYONE. Not the everyone that some christians say. Not the everyone who is not christian and who is not gay and who dosnt forgive his sins. If he was the Jesus they say he is he would love EVERYONE. I believe he was the Jesus that loved everyone, no matter what.
Animals do not marry one another. They do not have marriage because marriage is something humans thought of. They have "mates" who they mate with to have children. If your asking for a certain animal that mates with others of the same sex i can tell you right off the bat apes do it all the time. They do it sometimes to show who is dominate, yes they have sex to show that.
1. I am not Catholic and wasn't in Catholic Schools but beating students was normal on that time everywhere : who become late, who become not neat who fail spelling and of course who did wrong actions. One time a teacher of mine wanted punish all class for some reasons by biting on hand some times by a ruler. I have refused since I haven't punished before and wasn't guilty in any. The teacher made strike [entering the class without being active] and that continued for week or so until he met my father outside the school who repeat my point of view. That mean beating in school 50 years ago was normal and not only in Catholic School. The teacher-student and parent -kids relations are different now. In fact there are questions of the results with street kids and I will not discuss it here.
2. The answer for the question why St Moses the black called the black is that because he was black in colour. He sometimes called the Ethiopian because he was a slave of a government official in Egypt who dismissed him for theft and suspected murder so he became the leader of a gang of bandits in Nile Valley spreading terror and violence until his repentance and became saint.
3. Glad that you said Jesus was very nice and caring . I repeat, yes Jesus loves everyone and call him/her to purify and abide the rules. I can give you a lot of versus but I am avoiding to quote from bible when i talk to public. But sometimes I explain or say what Christians, Muslims or Jews believe since I am familiar with these three religions.. God is Love and mercy but Just. That why Christian believe that Jesus came specially from a woman to receive the punishment of Adam sin to fulfill the Justice i.e. he loves us and suffer on behalf of the humanity to fulfill justice. That why they call that salvation [it was not political salvation]. Forgiveness is after repentance in this life.
4. I glad that you by yourself said animal do not marry and that is definition of human. That why we oppose gay marriage because marriage is between man and woman. Gay people can come with other name but not marriage.
5. At last you acknowledge that that there are no animals has homosexual cohabitation If it happened it is causual and as you mentioned for showing who is dominate. Exactly for the human sometimes and somewhere. Also some countries used it as torchiering tools.
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stephanie
Jul 28 2006, 02:38 PM
i don't think the world would be better without a religion, people need to believe in a greater beeing to survive,their faith helps them surviving to lots of stuff,it's really important. and besides,even if you're not religious when your are in troble you always call God or Alá or Buda,doesn't matter. i think we should learn that all religions are good and that doesn't matter the name we give to God,the important think to remember is that he didn't want us to figth,specially using his name to do it. all the religions try to preach peace,of course that are people that change and make a diferent interpretation and use it to do bad things but all religions say we should respect others even if they are different. so i guess the world wouldn't be better without a religion because we need it to live but it would be a lot better if people learn how to really live in a religion and instead of using their God's name to do bad things,use it to do the best they can for others and for themselves.
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Cerebral Stasis
Jul 28 2006, 02:52 PM
No, all religions are not good. True, some offer enlightenment and self-dicipline, but that can be acquired without religion. Religion means holy wars, crusades, cover-ups, and lots of fraud and lies.
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truefusion
Jul 28 2006, 04:30 PM
QUOTE(Cerebral Stasis @ Jul 28 2006, 10:52 AM)  True, some offer enlightenment and self-dicipline, but that can be acquired without religion. That sounds as if everyone can acquire the same thing the same way as anyone. Not all methods work for everyone. But some, more than others. Religion seems to be the most effective way. QUOTE(Cerebral Stasis @ Jul 28 2006, 10:52 AM)  Religion means holy wars, crusades, cover-ups, and lots of fraud and lies. No it doesn't. It means: QUOTE Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
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BooZker
Jul 28 2006, 09:55 PM
QUOTE 1. I am not Catholic and wasn't in Catholic Schools but beating students was normal on that time everywhere : who become late, who become not neat who fail spelling and of course who did wrong actions. One time a teacher of mine wanted punish all class for some reasons by biting on hand some times by a ruler. I have refused since I haven't punished before and wasn't guilty in any. The teacher made strike [entering the class without being active] and that continued for week or so until he met my father outside the school who repeat my point of view. That mean beating in school 50 years ago was normal and not only in Catholic School. The teacher-student and parent -kids relations are different now. In fact there are questions of the results with street kids and I will not discuss it here. Yes, true. Are you saying that because they do not beat kids now that they are street kids? There was a study which i should not bring up because it is controversial and it will change this post, but it says why there are so many street kids now then there was before. QUOTE 2. The answer for the question why St Moses the black called the black is that because he was black in colour. He sometimes called the Ethiopian because he was a slave of a government official in Egypt who dismissed him for theft and suspected murder so he became the leader of a gang of bandits in Nile Valley spreading terror and violence until his repentance and became saint. That seems kind of odd though. Wasn't there a lot of black people where they were. I mean it's not like they were in Russia. They were areas like the middle east and africa. I'm not saying they were racist, but why would he be called the black when most of the people were very dark in color. Plus i would be pissed off and bring terror if i was a slave. Just like most places, you have to fight for freedom. It's not like you can just be,"i'm a slave and i wish it would change," it's not like that at all. QUOTE 4. I glad that you by yourself said animal do not marry and that is definition of human. That why we oppose gay marriage because marriage is between man and woman. Gay people can come with other name but not marriage. See that is not how i see it. I see it as a union between two persons. Plus if your in America isn't that blocking your LEGAL right of choice of religion? What if their religion was to marry someone of the same sex only? Just like you have to have certain shots to get into school, UNLESS, you religion says it's not right. QUOTE 5. At last you acknowledge that that there are no animals has homosexual cohabitation If it happened it is causual and as you mentioned for showing who is dominate. Exactly for the human sometimes and somewhere. Also some countries used it as torchiering tools. Well yah, No animals get married. If it was a male and female or male and male or even a female and female no animals get married. Marriage was made up by humans. This is slightly off topic, but i have just a couple questions: 1. Before Jesus died, in the Christian belief, did all people go to hell? 2. If God is so nice why did he create the flood to wipe everyone out? That seems more like actions of a Devil. No matter how you look at it, it was an evil action. Murder is murder not matter what, correct? It was not self defence. Plus, if they had free will why would it matter what they did. It was their choice. So in conclusion, no matter how you see this it will always be evil. Please don't say well Noah. told them because there is no way he could tell the entire world.
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