Gay people ARE sinners. EVERYONE is a sinner.

In the Bible, it says that if someone wants to go to heaven by obeying the law (Ten Commandments and such, like Jews), then Jesus will judge on whether you've followed the law.

What makes Christianity different is that no matter how many times you've sinned, you can go to heaven if you believe that Jesus died for you.

For people who have never heard of the Gospel, Jesus, or Christianity, God will judge what's in your heart. But for people who have heard and rejected.. it makes sense that you would go somewhere else if Jesus did died for you, and you rejected that.

 

 

 

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Come on now, you know what i mean. Jesus will send Gays to hell. I have heard that so many times.



I disagree because if Jesus was loving and forgiving why wouldn't he forgive people when they are dead? So the way this works is if your alive and you have no real proof and you don't follow him you will go to hell EVEN if you were a great person and loved everyone. So i guess Jesus really doesn't forgive everyone, does he? No, because if he did there wouldn't be a discussion about it ever. It would be, no matter what, Jesus will forgive you. There should be no ifs', but's, or, ors' about it. If Jesus loves everyone and forgives everyone why should that change when you are dead? Why should it change ever? Because my belief is they want you to believe in him and they will make you feel guilty if not. I think Jesus would be the person to forgive everyone and would be disgusted in people who tell people otherwise.

 

 

 

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I don't really know. If the world never had a religion there would be no world. That is the reason why a lot of the people lived in the olden days. They believed that some super natural force created this place for them to be in and gave them a goal of some sort. Sure it has causes world and hatred around the world for centuries but it also keeps an order in a way. You know how every religion has rules for people to follow like the 10 Commandments. Some people rely on that and follows them. I think though that a world without religion would be the same as a world with religion. People will find other ways. They will focus on other things to hate people for just because they don't want to like them.

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You could attempt to demolish organized religion, but people will still believe what they want to believe. Religion isn't the same as faith. People's sense of morality would greatly decrease, and almost every behavior would be accepted. As far as war is concerned, there will always be war over something.

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Hmmm very interesting. No one has said that yet. That is very true though.



I don't want to and have never said i was going to do that. I just said what if religion was never around. It was just never though up. It never existed at all.

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I'm sorry, I have had to vote yes. Many (not all) of the worlds problems, have fallen back upon we dont like somebody for some reason. I'm tired of being told im going to hell because i dont go to church. Im sure Jewish and Muslims are tired of hearing that to. Its simple, get rid of the common factor and the anger gos. How ever once you do that you find something else people will argue over, so you have to choose wisely on what you do. Never underestimate the power of idiots in a group. **cough** congress **cough**

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I voted no. Without religion the world would be only scientific. The religion would essentially be science. There would be no real reason to be a good person, because in most religions people believe that being a good person will get you good things. If there is no reason to live, nothing after life to live for than people would be overall really depressed. Of course religious wars happen all the time. What about WW1 and WW2? You may say World War 2 was started because Hitler hated Jewish people, a religion. You have to remember though, he killed alot of people based on culture and appearance, not just religion. That war probably still would have occured even without religion. So you have to see how religion puts meaning in alot of people's lives and is overall a great thing.

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Yep, Jesus will send religious people to Hell too. What's your point?



No one ever said Jesus would forgive everyone. Jesus didn't say that either. He said He'd save all who come to Him. In Luke 13:1-5 He says ALL who don't repent will all likewise perish. You want to see Jesus as the forgiving person who forgave the woman about to be stoned but not the righteous Son of God who chased the evildoers out of the temple. Before coming to Christ we are all children of Satan and under his dominion, whether you want to hear it or not. Jesus loved us enough to give us a chance for us to be freed from that, but if you reject it that's up to you.

Jesus didn't come to destroy the Law, God's judgment on the human race and how we should live, but to fulfil it. Jesus didn't come to give us freedom to live however we want to. He came to free us from our bondage to sin, what makes us unable to defeat our lusts, that we might live no longer to our lusts but to God. Jesus didn't come to forgive us and let us do whatever we want to. He came to draw us back to God that we might become new people who let our Father God who created us rule our lives rather then ourselves. God isn't mocked, someone doesn't say "forgive me, get rid of that hell stuff for me, now shove off." Forgiveness comes with relationship as we admit we're wrong and commit our hearts to changing and turning from our mistakes.

Jesus wants us new people who will follow God like we were created to do, who will turn from our evil ways to serve Him, so we can share eternity with Him. Whether you want to hear it or not, anyone who is unwilling to leave their evil ways and turn to God, doing good deeds befitting of sorrowful repentance at wronging God, is deserving of eternal suffering apart from Him, good for nothing but to be burned eternally. Many of the most religious fit this description. God may love us but He hates our abominable sins and can never bear to let us go on living in rebellion to His will. Jesus came to reconcile us by making us new people, not just by saying "ask me to and I'll sweep your sins under the rug." That's not how it works, we can be forgiven only because we're made new people who commit our lives and hearts to God, to changing according to His will.

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My point was that no matter how good of a person you are he will send you to hell if your gay.

OK and i read the rest of your post. I seriously thought Jesus forgave everyone if you went to confession. My bad. (by the way i'm not saying this sarcasticly. I really thought that)

The only thing that doesn't makes sence to me is why, no matter what, even if your the best person on the planet, you will go to hell if you don't believe in Jesus? I don't know seems a bit harsh. How would you feel if when you died Jesus wasn't real and you really thought that and the of Jimmy (fake god) was the real one and said,"You have been a great person, but you have heard of me before and you didn't follow me. This means you will have to go to hell." Let's just say you heard of Jimmy haha.

It's kinda nice not being religious though. I don't have to worry about going to hell. I am a good person because when i die i'm dead and that's it, so i try to make the best of it. That's my belief anyways.

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Well, if you really believe, then you'll know that homosexuality is a sin, just like any other, because it says so in the Bible. And then you won't want to be gay because you want to please God.



It doesn't make complete sense to me either. God is a holy God, which means that he's perfect, and sin can't be in his presence. If there was no Jesus, then no one could go to heaven, because we've all sinner. But since Jesus is perfect, and died in payment of our sins, we can go to heaven if we believe that.

Here are some reads that can answer your question better than I can:

http://www.capturetheirhearts.com/students...hated-the-world
http://www.capturetheirhearts.com/students/is-god-fair
http://www.capturetheirhearts.com/students/judge-on-trial



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