Milk
Jan 4 2005, 10:59 PM
| | Aww, you're so nice.  Good points though Yoicks. I'm so confused now. I had my mind set on one thing and then people go and mess me up like that. Gragh!
But yeah, all we want is respect. And I agree, it probably will never be resolved because that's the way most people are brought up to think and then they will usually pass it on to their children and this thought process will then continue on through generations and generations. =( It's a pity some people are so ignorant as to be sexist/racist/etc. |
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OpaQue
Jan 5 2005, 12:45 AM
I am quite un-familier with the religious texts. I dont have much information bout them either. I said that thing about eve because thats what i heard. I was not sure about that point either. my point was simple, Man and Women are seperate. Equality is good but the problem is due the diffrences, the equality rule can create problems. So there are cases where answering this question is difficult. As for blaming women for her mistakes, I agree to that point. A sin or crime must be given the same status regardless of who commited it ( man or woman ). The Society favors men when there are some cultural issues involved. Which is obviously not right. The main issue what i feel is Reputation and character (especially relating to sexuality ). Women have this extra burden on them. Society considers a huge diffrence between a virgin and a whore. We dont hear much bout gigeloes or male prositutes. Males dont face this thing. A guy sleeping with diffrent girl everyday is not blamed and the issue is taken very lightly. But the same act is pointed and critisized when a girl does it. ( i don't mean prostitution here ) I hope my point is clear .. 
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Milk
Jan 7 2005, 02:14 AM
Yeah, I understand. It's just so unfair you know? And just today, I had a fight with my one friend and he was being so blatently...so ignorantly sexist that I was so sick of listening to him talk crap about me I had to ditch him. Damn well pissed me off too. But anyways, you guys made really good points in this topic. I have truly been enlightened by this conversation and it's entirety. Much love guys. Hopefully we can have yet another illuminating conversation...unless this one still goes on O_o Then again, I think there still are more issues that involve this. >_> *waits till something comes up*
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bjrn
Jan 9 2005, 01:59 PM
Interesting topic. Warning: Post may contain sarcasm. And it's highly unorganized, sorry about that. I'd like to start of with Maddox. QUOTE So here you go: http://maddox.xmission.com/feminazi.html Everything said in that article, I agree with. If you don't, you're just whipped. Please commit suicide, or grow a penis. Maddox's article has a few points. It also is quite simplistic and has a few false facts. Like QUOTE If 100 male chemical engineers that worked for fortune 500 companies were compared to 100 female chemical engineers that worked for fortune 500 companies, their pay would probably be the same, if not very close. This is an obviously false fact. For the same work performed women on average still earn about 80% of what men do, doing the same work. And really, maddox isn't the place or a good source for nuanced discussion. What I really find interesting is the sexist ideas posted in the first post. Claiming that women are better suited for cooking and cleaning than men. Why would that be? Because women have cleaning genetically programmed into them? Saying sexism isn't a big problem is another nice statement. Of couse, who cares if women earn lots less than men. Or have incredible difficulty acquiring top-level positions in academics or businesses, or really any position above the entry level. Yeah, who cares. Next quote: QUOTE I completly agree. Men and women are very different creatures and due to there differing physical and mental attributes are suited for different duties. The average woman has less brute strength than the average man. That's a main difference. So work requiring brute force is better suited for strong persons, whether they are men or women. See, the sex of a person isn't really relevant for duties there. For feeding babies the sex of a person can be important, but otherwise? Another one: QUOTE Its the selfish women who just want the right to vote, but then they sit on their asses at home and do nothing, complaining all the time, that really get to me. =( But this rule doesn't apply to men of course? Oh, silly me, men already had the right to vote before women did, so they are above all this. About the statements "It's Nature". There is nature, and then there is nurture. Men having an active sex drive but women don't? That's nurture. Face it, everyone likes sex, sex is good. But females are taught not to be sexually active. Example: QUOTE It depends on what context I was called a dog. If someone called me a dog because I have sex every night, have everything I'd ever need, and willfully speak my mind no matter what others think, then I'd take it as a compliment. And if she was called "slut" because she had sex every night she should take that as a compliment as well I take it?
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Milk
Jan 10 2005, 10:18 PM
QUOTE What I really find interesting is the sexist ideas posted in the first post. Claiming that women are better suited for cooking and cleaning than men. Why would that be? Because women have cleaning genetically programmed into them? Not necessarily that they are better suited for it, but because over the ages, the church and other such organizations have impemented this idea into people; therefore, the majority of the population believe it right. I say this sometimes because the average woman is not built like a man is, and is therefore not as capable of doing heavy lifting, and so on, as efficiently as a man would. QUOTE Saying sexism isn't a big problem is another nice statement. Of couse, who cares if women earn lots less than men. Or have incredible difficulty acquiring top-level positions in academics or businesses, or really any position above the entry level. Yeah, who cares. Well, I just didn't want to sound like a "Feminazi" as maddox would call it, and we all know feminists are annoying pains in the asses. They b**** and b**** and insteading of only being feminists, become conformists as well. QUOTE The average woman has less brute strength than the average man. That's a main difference. So work requiring brute force is better suited for strong persons, whether they are men or women. See, the sex of a person isn't really relevant for duties there. For feeding babies the sex of a person can be important, but otherwise? It's not the sex that matters, it's the build of the person that matters...and it is a generally known fact that most women are weaker then most men. But I just realized this is what you said so moving on.... QUOTE But this rule doesn't apply to men of course? Oh, silly me, men already had the right to vote before women did, so they are above all this. Giving men the right to vote was never a problem nor did they have to fight for the right TO vote. With the acception of the slaves. Anyways, good points. It's interesting reading all of this. Post more!!
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serendib
Jan 13 2005, 08:37 PM
QUOTE(Milk @ Dec 16 2004, 10:41 PM) The bible contains stories that almost always end with the woman at fault. Even genesis, when eve was blamed for having eaten the stupid fruit on the tree of life. It's wrong and cruel, and because the bible was written by old geezers who couldn't get laid, and had never been laid, society is like so. I guess my point is, is that all humans, any race, any sex, should be treated with respect. Agree? Disagree? I Totally agree with you, but would like to comment on the last line. The whole story of Adam and Eve is 90% a made up story to convey to the ppl at that time and place some sort of explanation of their origins. But even if made up, they all reflect human nature. In the story Eve was made from the last (12th rib) of Adam.. Ever thought why?...well because it symbolizes that women are a part of men.. They can live separately, but not completely. And Eve eating the Apple... and giving it to Adam.... it just symbolizes greed.... They wanted to be greater than God. Then as very well understand, no such liberal thoughts were there. Maybe it was there but nobody shouted it out, especially the women. But "easy women" were there then too. You were correct at one point where u mentioned that women control men with such tactics. 
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Shackman
Jan 14 2005, 06:42 AM
I think that Milk is being very open here. Not many females are as open as you when it comes to this topic. I hope more females can learn to be like you. Lets give Milk a pat on her back. Well, judging from my name, you can(in fact, should know) guess that I am male. Now..my opinions on this topic. I quite agree about what Milk said, about the feminists going 'We want equal rights!'. I believe too that we should work for what we want. Meritocracy comes into a picture. I believe that if a person is really critical in the company, be it male or female, the company would surely want/promote him/her. I don't see much of a gender issue here. It's more of merits, capibility and achievements than being male or female. By the way, Meritocracy is the ruling of a person based on ability and merits. Hope this adds to the discussion. -Shackman
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Milk
Jan 14 2005, 09:16 PM
Thanks guys! <3
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skyline
Jan 26 2005, 10:42 PM
Ok theres not that much Sexism. But i hate it when women freak out and stuff ex.) Guy: ok turn left at the next lights Girl: UR SO CONTROLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Guy: but thats where we need to turn..... Girl: YOUR NOT THE BOSS OF ME!!!! I hate when they have there out of the blue feminest "speechs".
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bjrn
Jan 26 2005, 11:18 PM
QUOTE(skyline @ Jan 26 2005, 11:42 PM) Ok theres not that much Sexism. But i hate it when women freak out and stuff ex.) Guy: ok turn left at the next lights Girl: UR SO CONTROLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Guy: but thats where we need to turn..... Girl: YOUR NOT THE BOSS OF ME!!!! I hate when they have there out of the blue feminest "speechs". 1. There is a lot of sexism. 2. That dialog you posted has nothing to do with sexism or feminism.
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