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clergyq

Dec 25 2004, 09:49 PM

I completly agree. Men and women are very different creatures and due to there differing physical and mental attributes are suited for different duties. That in no way means that ones duty is anymore important then the other. we should be given equal recognition for equal effort put into any work. Altho it angers me greatly to see people taking advantege of the way the current system is set up. Its very easy for a woman these days to rise to the top and obtain things that they aren't qualified for all because they keep that sexism card in there back pocket ready to spring it on anyone that stands in the way of what they want. Im not saying all women do it but there are those few out there and those are the ones that fuel stereotypes and tarnish the names of those who have honestly worked hard to get where they are.

OpaQue

Dec 25 2004, 10:44 PM

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Please note, I'm female myself.

Sexism is not a huge problem, but sometimes when an introverted sexist guy comes up to me and just wants to use me for sex, it makes me feel deprecated. Women have feelings and deserve to be treated right and with respect, just like any other human being in this world. I'm not saying that we should have equal responsiblities because you have to take into consideration that the physiques of men and women are very very different, as are their minds; meaning that there are different jobs that are appropriate and not appropriate for both genders.

I would like to shed some light on the equality and rights thing of women.

In many parts of the world, there are reservations set for Women. In my country itself, Women have 30% reserved Quota for Education, Jobs etc..

There are also many fields in which women are given more preferences.. usually in workplaces, the total work time alloted for women is sometimes less.

And also not to forget, the sepearate laws and privelages provided by the Government to women.

Man and Women are diffrent, Government makes rules keeping this in mind. The people who made Goverment laws & rules were not stupid. Imagine, men demanding rights and similar privelages which women enjoy.. Recently I heard a rumur that, Women rights association (or some crap association ) were against the saying "Its a MAN's World" (which is used commonly ).. They insisted, it should rather be called.. Its a Human world or something.. What I want to say is, This dosen't make any sence. We all know, what we mean by that phrase. But most of these agitations are like Just for the heck of it. Cause some political person want to fill up his/her pocket.

Now comes the SEX part of it.
All I can say is.. "Its Nature!" and everythings natural. As far as I know, Any NORMAL MALE specie will get attracted by a Girl standing in front of him.. Now, Girls, If you are attractive.. and that guy does not look, then there is definately something wrong with that chap

Also, When guys do hit on a girl who blows every circuit out of his mind.. he has two options, Either he waits for 3-4 months to get information about that girl and sorts out some way to find a link to her. Then he would finally meet her and talk ... talk .. impress.. ( continued for another 6 months ) wherby he can finally now think about getting laid! And At this point, if that girl says NO, that guy gets a TIGHT VIRTUAL Kick. ELSE, he might go to that girl.. and ask her straight away if she likes her or is least interested in him. this behaviour of some guys may be offensive to some girls .. but I think, girls are strong enough to ignore such things and continue with their beautiful lives...

The BLAMING part..
I am not a religion freak.. but I do respect those guys who really put all their trouble to make those books. BTW, If you think that the ones who did write them never got laid, then I feel thats a bit dumb.
In old times, Religion was the most powerful thing that bounded human beings.. All they had to do was say "I HAD DREAMS THE DAY YESTERDAY! AND GOD'S TOLD ME TO MAKE LOVE TO THE MOST BEAUTIFUL GIRL IN TOWN SO THAT HE SHALL ...... ahem.. " You see.. no big deal!
Not only women have been blamed, but there are so many chapters in which men have been blamed too.. Oh.. As for the EVE story, dont you think, it was EVE who pursuades the poor ADAM for the Apple fruit. It was only because of that, he had to climb that tree and get it for her... ( ehh.. this is what I heard. The one who told me this dumb story might be wrong)

The people who have written those huge fat books really did had a lot of brains and do deserve respect. As far as i know, For every incident explained in the book, they have included appropriate explanations. And they cannot be simply be blamed for such reasons.

-OpaQue

templest

Dec 28 2004, 12:06 AM

I encourage everyone to read this article pertaining to the issue. I would try to write it out myself, and have in several occasions. But I feel this guy says it more articulately and much more imformatively than I do. So here you go: http://maddox.xmission.com/feminazi.html Everything said in that article, I agree with. If you don't, you're just whipped. Please commit suicide, or grow a penis.

Milk

Dec 28 2004, 01:07 AM

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I could've sworn I made this clear in my first post that I understood that women and men are different and that they should be held responsible for different things..</run-on> If not, then I apologize. I'm not gonna go all girl-power on this and think it like the average woman would mainly because 90% of the things a woman says is..illogical. <.< I personally never demanded equal rights, but I honestly think that what most women mean when they do demand equal rights, is that they want equal respect, which IIRC, are two different things. Are they not?

templest

Dec 28 2004, 01:10 AM

QUOTE(Milk @ Dec 28 2004, 01:07 AM)

You got it all wrong. Women don't want equality, they want superiority.

Milk

Dec 28 2004, 01:38 AM

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Now comes the SEX part of it.
All I can say is.. "Its Nature!" and everythings natural. As far as I know, Any NORMAL MALE specie will get attracted by a Girl standing in front of him.. Now, Girls, If you are attractive.. and that guy does not look, then there is definately something wrong with that chap
Also, When guys do hit on a girl who blows every circuit out of his mind.. he has two options, Either he waits for 3-4 months to get information about that girl and sorts out some way to find a link to her. Then he would finally meet her and talk ... talk .. impress.. ( continued for another 6 months ) wherby he can finally now think about getting laid! And At this point, if that girl says NO, that guy gets a TIGHT VIRTUAL Kick. ELSE, he might go to that girl.. and ask her straight away if she likes her or is least interested in him. this behaviour of some guys may be offensive to some girls .. but I think, girls are strong enough to ignore such things and continue with their beautiful lives...

Of course it's nature. Everything is nature. And it's also natural that women do not jump at sex like men do. Women do not think about sex every whatever recorded amount of seconds it was and not every woman will just accept a man's plea for sex in a split second. You think that women are all, "Omg, rape rape!!" And then you get all pissy because we don't want it all the time. Well we get all pissy because you want it all the time. I think this argument is a little ignorant and a little invalid.
By the way, when you say male species, you are only talking about humans...correct? If you'll know, only humans and dolphins have sex for pleasure. All other creatures in the world have sex for mating and reproducing purposes, and they therefore, do not look if one is attractive or not.

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The BLAMING part..
I am not a religion freak.. but I do respect those guys who really put all their trouble to make those books. BTW, If you think that the ones who did write them never got laid, then I feel thats a bit dumb.
In old times, Religion was the most powerful thing that bounded human beings.. All they had to do was say "I HAD DREAMS THE DAY YESTERDAY! AND GOD'S TOLD ME TO MAKE LOVE TO THE MOST BEAUTIFUL GIRL IN TOWN SO THAT HE SHALL ...... ahem.. " You see.. no big deal!

I was making a sarcastic remark when I said those that wrote it never got laid. Basically what I was trying to say was that they listened to a book and let its words govern their lives and so they write more bull crap to finish it off. I feel it's a bit dumb that the bible/whatever was written by men where they build their own opinions off of a single story of how a woman 'tricked' a man into eating fruit off of a forbidden tree. If you honestly think that's a good way to make an opinion, then fine by me, I don't care. Just don't force the way you think on every other human on the face of the earth.
No big deal? I think that is a big deal. I'm not gonna let some guy have sex with me just because he made up some *BLEEP* story about how the 'mighty God' told him to. What kind of a person would I be? It degrades me, my gender, and all of society because one guy couldn't get a girl the normal way.
There are also those stories about guys who are like, "Would you rather go through a 3-6 month relationship just so you can get laid a few times then get dumped, or would you rather have a one-night-stand type thing?" I mean, why would you want to impose such a stupid thing like this on a girl, assuming she wants the relationship, rather than just going to get a prostitute or something? Because the girl you find might be a virgin? Because she'll most likely be clear of stds, assuming she's not a *BLEEP*/slut? Because you can? This is *BLEEP* my friend. What I'm saying is that girls have feelings too, just the same as guys and they have to go through the relationship just like you. The only difference is, they may want to actually go through with it and not just go through it to get laid. Otherwise..they're lame. >.>

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Not only women have been blamed, but there are so many chapters in which men have been blamed too.. Oh.. As for the EVE story, dont you think, it was EVE who pursuades the poor ADAM for the Apple fruit. It was only because of that, he had to climb that tree and get it for her... ( ehh.. this is what I heard. The one who told me this dumb story might be wrong)
The people who have written those huge fat books really did had a lot of brains and do deserve respect. As far as i know, For every incident explained in the book, they have included appropriate explanations. And they cannot be simply be blamed for such reasons.

It's true not only women have been blamed. What's also true is that women are mistreated because of a couple of stories. I'm not quite sure you understand my point in all of this. Men might have been blamed, but there are only far and few in between that have had such a terrible fate. When a husband mistreats his wife, it's fine. When a wife mistreats her husband, it's disloyal and she should be sentenced to death. If this isn't *BLEEP*, then I don't know what is.
That adam and eve story you have there is way off. I think you might understand it a bit more if you read the segment. It's quite short. And just for this, Eve did not necessarily pursuade Adam. If you know, Eve was of course, 'tricked' by the snake into thinking the fruit was okay to eat. Something about the snake saying that she'll be able to then know everything that God knows. I dunno. Might wanna recheck the reliability of that story.
The people who wrote those huge fat books might have had many brains and sure, they deserve respect. And it's true, I do give them the respect they deserve. That is, until they start slandering a race/gender/religion of which they know little to nothing about, now that is when they deserve no respect. They wrote these books with only themselves in mind. They wanted to make a way of life, and so they did. Look at the world around us now. Africa is one of the poorest continents because of one religion. There may be a back story to the reason why europeans conquered it, I do not know. But you know, men wrote the books. That's all I have to say. If even one woman was on their team of writing the book, then my words will have been invalid and I'll return to my submissive state and be abused for being what I am.
As for appropriate explinations, I highly doubt this. If you have read the bible, or atleast some parts, I am very sure you will change your mind about this statement you said. If you honestly think any, if not all, of the events in that book happened with those explinations and even think those explinations are valid, then I commend you because I have not the brains nor sense to believe a single word of what some old cooks wrote three thousand years ago.

And just in case you think this, I'm not an atheist and I'm not closeminded...Atleast I hope I didn't sound that way.
=(

As for Maddox...
I agree with pretty much everything except one or two things which he seems to be a bit ignorant on...

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Why the hell do women get offended when they're called chicks? I don't see how that word can be remotely offensive in anyway. But, some women think it's derogatory and belittling. Some women are so petty, that they resent any male implication in the english language. Who cares? What if guys suddenly felt like *BLEEP*ing and wanted to eradicate all the derogatory male phrases from the language? Buster, Pal, Buddy, Stud, Hunk. Oooh, don't call me a buster, I'll be offended.

I'm sure you don't see it, but if you were refered to as a dog everytime you were spoken of, I'm sure it would offend you somewhere along the line. "Chick" may not seem like an offensive term to you, and I personally have no problem with it, but it is a derogatory term as with any gender/racial slur out there. It is denoting that girls are worthless and deserve less respect, and therefore are labled wussy, gutless, and therefore "chicken".

QUOTE

Who's to say what's offensive anyway? Just because a few feminist extremists think that something's offensive, does the whole society have to change their way of doing things? I don't want mother nature being called mother nature anymore, but rather father nature. &etc.

Er...Anyone who listens to feminist extremists have no mind of their own.

The difference between this rant and this topic, is that this rant is about feminists, and this topic, is about sexism. >.>

templest

Dec 28 2004, 06:58 AM

Feminism is sexism in action. Sexism against men, women wanting to make us their bïtches. If you can't make that connection, well, you're more ignorant than I though. Again, words are offensive depending on their use. It depends on what context I was called a dog. If someone called me a dog because I have sex every night, have everything I'd ever need, and willfully speak my mind no matter what others think, then I'd take it as a compliment. If I called a girl a "chick" because I considered here a cute, cuddly person that I want to hold and take care of, then, that's a compliment in itself. Catch my drift?

Milk

Dec 30 2004, 07:41 PM

>_>''

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Gragh! All right. I accept defeat. But I shall, no I WILL, get you next time!

Yoicks

Jan 1 2005, 03:26 AM

QUOTE(templest @ Dec 28 2004, 12:58 AM)

I'll defend you Milk, whoever you are!

Sidenote: Yes, I AM I guy.

1. Feminism is NOT sexism in action. This notion is, in fact, completely ridiculous. I mean, c'mon. True feminism only wants to level the playing field, keep the sexes equal. And this, if I'm not mistaken, is what Milk is advocating.

To use an example...the civil rights movement. Just because blacks were fighting for more rights didn't mean that they somehow SUPPORTED racism...they wanted to end it. Same thing here.

2. Language is very important. Calling somebody a 'chick' can, in fact, be demeaning. It doesn't matter whether you are complimenting her or not, if she takes it wrong, then you're in the wrong. It's a matter of perception. Don't be blinded into thinking that just because YOU think it's ok, then everybody else would.

3. Women don't want 'to make us their *BLEEP*es'. Again, they want a level playing field. I mean, what's wrong with a guy cooking, or a woman construction worker? Absolutely nothing! We've just been taught that it's wrong for this to happen by society. And look what else society has taught us throughout the years... (slavery, anyone?)

So, in conclusion, give people like Milk a break. All they want is equal rights. And you demeaning them, just like you are now, just makes it worse. You support the wrong construct of society. Be sensitive...even though society may tell you not to be.

puppyforest

Jan 2 2005, 08:29 PM

Well, I do agree with you, Milk. I, too, am female. I just think that all people should be equal regardless. That doesn't mean that all people have to have the same tasks or jobs, but they still should be treated the same. Anyways...I suppose that is a problem that won't ever be resolved....

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