networker
Dec 30 2008, 01:50 AM
| | Today I had to call microsoft by telephone to activate
my re-installed Windows xp.It turns out that if you've re-installed
it about 25 times,you can no longer just activate it online,but
have to telephone them to activate it.
I often booted from my xp disc to reload basic drivers if I ever had a problem.
It seemed to work,but somehow I must have been credited with a full installation
each time.
Anyway,It took about a half hour on the telephone today, and I can't say they had the best attitude.The guy rattled off the new activation code at
a mile a minute.I was lucky to type it in properly.
In a few years,Xp will no longer be supported.Does that mean
we won't be able to activate it at all, if needed?
I wonder what anybody else has to say about this.
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rpgsearcherz
Dec 30 2008, 02:21 AM
I have gone through issues like that with Microsoft Office XP as well, only you could just install it on ONE pc. And yes, I find that to be annoying too. More or less I view it as them pushing away customers by making it harder for us to use their software. After all, those who are breaking the laws(pirating their software) are bypassing all of the activations anyways. So why punish us for it?
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Echo_of_thunder
Dec 30 2008, 03:10 AM
well if My XP ever fails me. I am "Beeping beep" when I bought this pc all windows XP was on the D:\ drive as a backup
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networker
Dec 30 2008, 03:45 AM
That's exactly what Microsoft is doing.They are punishing us for all the Pirate copies out there.I bought Xp when it was first released and it cost over $400.00 and now I have to grovel to keep using it. I'm really considering switching to Linux. They seem to have all these operating environements that you can use over the basic Linux operating system.It sounds like all the variety and choice that p.c's should have had all along, and would have had but for the Microsoft monopoly. Sure Bill Gates is allright and does a lot for charity, but he pulls a hard bargain.
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rpgsearcherz
Dec 30 2008, 04:10 AM
QUOTE (networker @ Dec 29 2008, 09:45 PM)  That's exactly what Microsoft is doing.They are punishing us for all
the Pirate copies out there.I bought Xp when it was first released and it
cost over $400.00 and now I have to grovel to keep using it.
I'm really considering switching to Linux.
They seem to have all these operating environements that
you can use over the basic Linux operating system.It sounds like
all the variety and choice that p.c's should have had all along, and would
have had but for the Microsoft monopoly.
Sure Bill Gates is allright and does a lot for charity,
but he pulls a hard bargain. There are a lot of people that I know, myself included, that are only with Windows for one reason now : because we can't use Linux for gaming. Sadly...If every game I wanted to play worked on Linux I would learn how to use the OS and switch in a heartbeat. And yes, I know there are many emulators, but a lot don't work on the more recent games. As for not using Linux right now as well as Windows, I just feel that if I am forced to use Windows I might as well just stay with it rather than learn something new,  . What we need to do is kick Microsoft out of the gaming monopoly.
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Saint_Michael
Dec 30 2008, 02:00 PM
Well they extended support for XP for a few more years recently and so you shouldn't have to worry to much about and as for support. Odds are you wiill be still able to activate them, Microsoft will just stop producing updates and patches for the operating system and so you will be treading on shaking ground because any left over holes in the operating system will be found and exploited and Microsoft won't do a thing.
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triplebtalk
Dec 30 2008, 02:30 PM
I use many operating systems and by far, Windows XP was the hardest for me to activate, even Vista, which I have had to install twice, activated easily both times. It seems some aspects of XP are just to archaic.
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rayzoredge
Dec 30 2008, 03:26 PM
Something I recommend you do if you find yourself activating your copy of Windows XP (or any Microsoft OS, for that matter): When you go to activate your copy of XP, note the hardware code that the activation software spits out. Also, when you receive your activation code, WRITE IT DOWN. The hardware code is basically a hash generated by the hardware you have installed in your machine, and if it's a laptop or a stock, pre-fabricated machine like a Dell where you will never be digging into the guts to upgrade or change anything, the hardware code will always stay the same and thus, the key that will correspond to that particular hash. Save the key in a text document on an external hard drive or somewhere where you can access it if you need it, or just print-screen the hardware code and key before you activate your copy of XP. That way, you don't have to make agonizing phone calls to Microsoft, especially when XP finally leaves the pedestal of being supported thanks to the humongous failure we all know as Vista and the scary prospective of Windows 7, something that strangely resembles Vista. (Hopefully things are a lot better under the hood with that one.) You can also just snag a retail copy of the OS that you use so that you don't have to deal with this all the time. I'm not going to elaborate just how you should go about doing this, but I'll tell you that I've never had to activate my copy each time I had to do a re-wipe and re-install of my copy of Windows XP Professional. 
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surbjit
Dec 30 2008, 03:57 PM
Hm what pc manufactuer are you using? With Acer vista computers you just save the drivers to a disk- this is a recovery CD. So if for instance i have a virus that i cant get rid of then i just put the cd in and boot from disk and itll install it all. Plus i dont have to type the key in or anything like that and its already activated.
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sakmac
Dec 30 2008, 04:12 PM
Don't you feel that becauase of things like this, isn't it odd that all of these big companies start crying about people making keygens and things. Because, it appears, as from your topic, that the key you use becomes invalidated. Now if you purchased the software, then surely you should have the right to install it an unlimited number of times, as long as you install it the same number of times. Haven't microsoft been inunduated with these kind of calls, seeing as you have to always reinstall windows. Now, I am pretty sure that everyone, and despite all of the random reasons that come out of microsoft, i bet every microsoft employee would definitely agree that it would be much easier if there was just a keygen. Even I, who have a genuine copy of windows, after re-installing it for the billionth time, I encountered the same problem, but I just took 10 secs to get a keygen and voila. Now of course I have installed windows vista, but for me that was much easier, and much quicker, so that I could just go and get going with my newly installed system. The fact remains, however, that some of these companies are becoming far too stringent, never mind the spore debacle, but all of these massive companies almost manage to scare you into doing what you want to do. QUOTE The security of our customers computers and networks is a top priority for Microsoft, and we have been working around-the-clock to further address the criminal malware targeting Internet Explorer users. On Friday, July 2, 2004, Microsoft released a configuration change to the Windows XP, Windows Server 2003, and Windows 2000 operating systems that improves system resiliency to protect against the Download.Ject attack. We recommend that customers immediately install this configuration change through Windows Update ( http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com) . So, how exactly is making us pay or call to buy somehing we already own demonstrate that this statement is true. Come on Microsoft, get real lol. RANT OVER lol
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iGuest
Apr 18 2009, 01:26 PM
All talk about LINUX
Windows Xp Activation
I feal to tell everybody, telling, "programs / games for windows do not work in linux" BULL****!
In linux it is a EMAULATOR called WINE who stands for WINDOWS EMULTATOR.
In all new distros, the WINE allso emultate VISTA/XP/W7/W98/W95/W3.1
So, KILL MICROSOFT; Get LINUX ALIVE again!
AND all with OS-10 "OS-X" This os is based on UNIX "LINUX" install with X and all unixbased os-software is fully compatible!
-reply by Datateknikk
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rpgsearcherz
Jan 2 2009, 04:06 AM
QUOTE (csp4.0 @ Jan 1 2009, 08:21 PM) Its a `runaway` effect. The prices are going up because more and more people are pirating... Yet, the more and more people that pirate, the higher the prices will go...
If everybody stopped using cracks illegally (There ARE some that use them legally, i.e. If you can't activate, even though you've just bought the disk from Microsoft's website), or better yet, stopped making cracks and depending on the manufacturer of the particular operating system to make the activation process `smoother`...
But, no matter what... The cracker would ALWAYS win... There is no point in `stopping` cracking as it will always go on, but make it harder? That would make it almost impossible for the average consumer...
And no, miladinoski, that wouldn't be the `perfect` operating system... As if you want a good operating system, it has to be customizable... It doesn't matter if the customisations are produced by the operating system's manufacturer or by a third party... Having all those features built-in would not allow for customisability...
For me, the best operating system would be one that can ultilise RAM, and CPU efficiently, has a very low footprint... And a VERY small browser... i.e. No fancy GUI, just a refresh, back, forward, stop, and a URL bar... And there would be a separate disk containing different softwares made not only by the manufacturer but also third-party software... It would increase competition to create the fastest, yet good-looking, simple Operating system bundled with the best software packages, and for a very low price...
THAT would be the best operating system, in my mind at the moment... I want to kick off on a point that you made, about how the cracker always wins. I fully believe in this. When a company pays MILLIONS to get their new "protection" up, all it does is say "Yo, I bet my money is smarter than you. Let's play!" And what happens? 100% of the time the software ends up cracked. These companies waste money on protection, and it does them absolutely no good. They should keep that money and just lower the price on the software. The truth is, the cheaper it is, the more people will buy it. The funniest cracked piece of software I ever saw was something called Softice - I'm sure some of you programmers know what it is. For those of you who don't, it's a very high powered ASM(Assembly Language) debugger. Well the funny part about it is that it was running $600+ for a license to use it, but you could run it in a 14 day full trial mode. Someone, just to show off, used the trial of the program to debug the program itself and create a key generator for it, and then released it. I guess the funniest part was that they used the program to crack itself, lol... But I guarantee if the program wasn't $600+ people would have gladly paid for it. I know tons of programs that cost $5-10 that people shell out for just as donations. You get less per copy, yes, but you make more over time. Not to mention, you save yourself work and you make everyone else happier. I, for example, will never purchase another Office program. As stated before, the harassment they put you through is just too much, especially when you pay a high dollar figure for the software to begin with. This is what is pushing people(like me) into going more and more into open-source. The quicker the companies learn this, the happier everyone will be. (Note : I'm not condoning piracy or anything in this post. The references made are solely as an example, and nothing more.)
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csp4.0
Jan 2 2009, 02:21 AM
Its a `runaway` effect. The prices are going up because more and more people are pirating... Yet, the more and more people that pirate, the higher the prices will go... If everybody stopped using cracks illegally (There ARE some that use them legally, i.e. If you can't activate, even though you've just bought the disk from Microsoft's website), or better yet, stopped making cracks and depending on the manufacturer of the particular operating system to make the activation process `smoother`... But, no matter what... The cracker would ALWAYS win... There is no point in `stopping` cracking as it will always go on, but make it harder? That would make it almost impossible for the average consumer... And no, miladinoski, that wouldn't be the `perfect` operating system... As if you want a good operating system, it has to be customizable... It doesn't matter if the customisations are produced by the operating system's manufacturer or by a third party... Having all those features built-in would not allow for customisability... For me, the best operating system would be one that can ultilise RAM, and CPU efficiently, has a very low footprint... And a VERY small browser... i.e. No fancy GUI, just a refresh, back, forward, stop, and a URL bar... And there would be a separate disk containing different softwares made not only by the manufacturer but also third-party software... It would increase competition to create the fastest, yet good-looking, simple Operating system bundled with the best software packages, and for a very low price... THAT would be the best operating system, in my mind at the moment...
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sakmac
Dec 31 2008, 02:39 PM
QUOTE (surbjit @ Dec 31 2008, 01:48 PM) Nope sakmac your wrong. Windows xp has a number of times you can only activate it with the same key. I had the same problem until i got a new pc then tried that disk and the activation key and it worked lol. However Microsoft corp editions have no limits on how many times you can activate the software.
And microsoft dont really care if these keygens are being made because:
1. they will not work after sometime as too many people use them
2. Microsoft are still making alot of money so i dont see why they would care if people try to crack it as many people fail. Lol that sort of makes sense. I suppose that that is true, but knowing the large number of cracks and stuff available it is quite a large loss of money if a lot of people do use them. I remember seeing a bbc news report and that news report said that the market for pirated software was making billion pound losses (no prize for guessing which contry i'm in lol). But anyway, I thing that microsoft are aware of the problem, it's just that it's so widepsread that they are trying but they are only taking small pigeon steps, but the others are taking very long strides, so no luck.
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miladinoski
Dec 31 2008, 02:26 PM
Have you expected something more from big monopolies who fight to get your last penny and fill their own pockets with money? Have you expected something from a company that doesn't listen to its customers or listens them too late? Holy shmoly! If you expect everything I said, then maybe its time to stop believing in stupid promises and stupid and rich people and start doing some real work. Just the proper time to say goodbye to Windows and switch to GNU/Linux, because once you'll install it, you'll never google for software that is already there and free, and you'll have a perfectly stable and free system without AV software that bogs down your PC and without formatting the disc every once in a year or 6 months. Oh, and forgot, no activation  Keep Windows in case you are a gamer, and use it rarely. The more rarely you begin to use Windows, the more you'll learn and love the Linux world and environment.  QUOTE (rayzoredge @ Dec 31 2008, 03:24 PM) Tell me if I'm wrong, but I believe that retail versions of Windows never require activation. Is this true or do I just have a "special" copy? True. I had a retail OEM copy of XP and formatted the HDD several times and it didn't ask for activation.
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