Well to answer topic's question technology plain and simple, back when I was in school about 10 years ago we didn't have all these social networking websites, ubertastic cell phones and all that other stuff. Of course school is no longer a safe haven for kids anymore because now teenagers have accepted the fact that killing students and teachers just because someone made you mad is normal trend now. So parents are to blame 70% of the problems for the public school system as most don't even care now, because when it comes to covering costs for the school system, every adult is quickly to say no on raising taxes for school sakes. Yet They say yes for improving roads and adding 200 gas stations with in a 5 block radius. Heck private school or home schooling seems even better options then before because being a teenager now is 10 times as difficult as it was 10 years ago, and you can blame society for that with all this glorification of being thin and having a -10 waist, doing drugs, drinking large amounts of alcohol, and making women believe the only job they can make descent money is by stripping and prostituting themselves.

Of course this religion crap has to stop because quite frankly every single religion out there has no form of peace, if there was peace everyone would be one of the top religions which are catholic, protestant, Muslim, or Buddhist, violence begets violence that is what history has taught us. This whole fear of God complex is really old and until there is some sign of real "god" then religion is just another way to control people, it is simple as that. The only mistake that I see is the fact humans even existed, and I think the line in Matrix that Human's are a virus is true, all we do is destroy and don't put anything back. Heck I would think after the last human drops dead or we move off this planet, Earth will continue on it's path of destruction and that either being nuclear war, environmental disaster, an act of "God", or something from outer space blowing us up. I feel sorry for my niece and nephew that they have to live in a world like this, and I have the tough job of setting them straight once they are old enough to figure everything out.

i wouldn't be upset if the last of the oil disappear in the next ten years because then people have to start thinking again, and find ways to survive without the use of oil to power their cars or heat their homes.

 

 

 

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You're really quick to pick apart everything I say without actually addressing the points I've made. All I'm saying is that religion in and of itself does NOT promote peace.

SO...to address your comments:

No...and where did I say that, exactly? I never said children were going to march off to Palestine and declare a holy war. If you would just stop looking to denounce me you might realize that I'm making valid points. Kasm was generalizing by saying that having religion would make people more peaceful. I called him on that because it's not true. I was making the point that religions promote violence as much as they promote peace--not at all.

Quick side note here: Kids actually were rallied up and marched off to war during the Crusades...so it happens.



Again, no...and, again, where did I say that? I get that you're trying to say just because it's in the Bible doesn't mean everyone practices it. Okay...but people are quick to pull it out when they need to feel justified about an opinion and/or action. And I speak from experience because Christians and some nondenominational practitioners quoted that line to me when I said the war in Iraq was idiotic. It's not that EVERYONE uses it; it's that some HAVE...and WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO.

As YOU said...which is the point I was trying to make...it's about the actions of individuals and what they're promoting by said actions. And by trying to prove me wrong you just further beat into the ground what I was trying to say. Let me reiterate this...religion in and of itself does not promote peace.

So, to clarify, let me explain what I was trying to say. How does it look when people are religious and they're using their religious texts to pull quotes that promote violence? Does that mean religion in and of itself promotes violence? NO. It means that specific person does. But on the same side of the coin people use that same text to pull quotes promoting peace. So does that mean the religion promotes peace? NO. It merely means religion is a tool in the hand of its practitioners.

I'm not sure if you were beign facetious with the example of the bikini, or not, but just for the record...I view that example in the same light as I do religion. It is a tool in the hand of a wielder; wearing one neither promotes sex nor discourages it.



And your point is? I think we've established three times over that religion or lack thereof promotes neither peace nor violence. It's merely the individuals. As such, I think I've thoroughly proven my point.

 

 

 

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I have some problems in following the position of your main idea. So does religion promote peace, does it not promote peace, or is it up to the individual to use it to promote peace (or perhaps do so without it)?


I know, and I've read many sources which argue whether the reason why they went were honestly pious or just an opportunity to get rich and to gain political/social status. Sadly, the fact is that many Christians are not Christians at all, and I've yet to come up with an explanation of why they even bother (Christianity is on a major decline, though, depending who on you trust).

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This strayed a bit off-topic, but I've got to agree with Qittie deKay on religion.

In fact, I see it as virtually impossible for Religion to bring peace. It seems to me that it is up to the individual to promote peace, with or without Religion.


I myself am a huge promoter of Peace, and I just happen to do so without Religion. Because honestly I think the only thing religion does for Peace is make it a cloudy concept.

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1. It seems that there are people are very sensitive for word "religion" and by doing so prevent the society to investigate a problem thoroughly.

2. There is a problem is the status of American Youth. There is obvious problem in US school. that is the he American school is no longer a safe heave for kids and every year the news show an extreme shooting in school where one students kill many other students and teachers.

3. Then when people investigate using the scientific approach to diagnose the problem, the investigator has to study the factors, dimensions , corners and status in the past and comparing them with what is now. Then isolate the new factor and put finger on it.

4. But people who are sensitive of particular matter like religion, instead of making their input and diagnose, they crying and trying to stop others to investigate and diagnose.

5. Moreover they using a generic expression like "religion is not promote peace" which has no ground and contradict what religions are calling and promote. They also mixing the teaching and what sometimes happened. They forget what happened in the past of war before Christianity. They forget Geneva Conventions and War criminals. They forget how the loser countries were destroyed and their peoples were killed or bought as slaves. They forget how the Christianity called to love enemy and turn other check.

6. By that approach they kill the original issue. The issue is the American Youth Problems. Please contribute in that. Not only criticized the other diagnose and accusing others to quick judgement. I notice that Qittie deKay used that accusation in 2 responses in minimum[see the response to kasm and the response to saying "You're really quick to pick apart everything" . Then Qitte deKay derived us to Atheistic Site not related the issue we discuss. i didn't see his/her opinion about the matter These sites have their objectives and are not the decisive factors in any matter.

7. without religions, the sacred relation of sex is changing from the objective that Reproduction to entrainment as the media imagine and influence the youth.

9. The weakeners of religion, degenerate the respects of parent and obeying their instructions also reduced the respects to the elders.

10. The weakening of religion affect the early sex thought by the youth in this age and affected by the series and films that make pressure on the youth.

11. Weakening the religion allowd these unrealistic vilent series and extreme sexual relations and infidality.

12 Trouble in school is nothing to do with the jihad.

13. Even the principal of eye for eye not mean that the invidual do it by itself. It is exactly what the society in past and governement nowaday is doing on behalf of society.

14. Crusade is not match the christian teaching but it is reflection to the desire to protect the Jerausalem from the Moslems exactly as you the American went to Afganstan to fight the terrorism.

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i never been to america but i think it's not only the problem wit american youth only if you see in japan.. it's the same problem here too. skipping school. dirt parties and like these it's comon here. well i think thhings will get more worse in future..

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well in that case i guess i'm not really part of the group your criticizing, as i take the time to make relevant forum posts, respect my parents, and am going to go to college to be an engineer

but, i totally agree with you that these days a lot of people aren't really studying relevant/useful things.... the world only needs so many people with english, political science, or history degrees.
and thats why if you can go to college and get a degree in some kind of math or engineering degree, you usually can make a lot of money.... supply vs. demand.

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i feel modernization had a very great impact on the youth that has made them react in a pecular way. I feel no wrong after all its their life and they should be given all rights. After all Human rights.

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1. The only reason we exclude religion from legal and moral arguments is because we want to be accepting of all religions.

2. This problem is starting to arise in Canada too. However, trying to convert them to Christianity or some other religion is not the answer. They might have heard a different or flawed version from their parents. First give them basic rehabilitation, and then try to convert them. But, don't use force. That never gets anyone everywhere.

3. Solely using religion isn't much better. Sure, it gets the job done more quickly, but not all points of view were considered. (Sometimes not even God's.)

4. Well, I don't think religion is the motive of these people. Maybe they want to defend their own, or something like that.

5. The Crusades were an example of how Christainity has morphed over the years. Nowadays is is being reformed to fit modern social ideals. If it were the "true" religion, it wouldn't have changed over the years, like God hasn't. (One thing hasn't changed, and that is the Golden Rule, which is present in all religions: "Do to others only what you would want them to do to you, or what they have done to you.")

6. True. But that's not his (her?) fault. This topic has strayed off its original point a little.

7. Without religion, sex can be used for anything. But if we use sex for the sole purpose of reproduction (procreation), there is no pleasure in it. (Well, that's what God wants, right...) It's not like you really care what happens in someone else's bedroom... respect people's privacy, won't you...

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9. It's more like mutual respect. Instead of promoting respect upwards of age, they promote it both ways. However, children like to get more than they give. You could argue that it's human nature.

10. Early sex is a decision. Don't have sex unless you think you're ready. If you have overwhelming peer pressure around you, but you don't think you're ready, then don't have sex! It's that simple. If they reject you for that, then they're not real friends, are they...

11. I don't see how infidelity has anything to do with sex for procreation. Even atheists follow the Golden Rule.

12. It doesn't? Maybe these people were disturbed by some event in school that haunted them forever.

13. I don't get this statement at all. Are you saying: "Even though the principle of an eye for an eye is righteous, individuals should not carry it out themselves, and should leave it to God"?

14. America didn't go to Afghanistan to fight terrorism. They went to Iraq for that. I believe they went to Afghanistan to

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If it only stopped there, then I'd be happy, but they always blame their actions on anything or anyone but themselves.


Which defeats the purpose in the first place.

Apparently there's something about seeing sex on TV that just forces (what is it, 50% now? I really have no clue, but that's what it seems to be at my school) of teens to have sex. Thinking is definitely not going to happen. A pleasure-driven society doesn't have time for that.


*cough* Nowadays, evidence is starting to show that most don't follow this rule.

Any individual has absolute control over whether to dwell in the past or to live in the present.


Doesn't seem like you completed your response, however, they went to Afghanistan to piss off Osama and went to Iraq to piss off Saddam and get some cash. In the end, however, Osama wins by bankrupting the US. Nice and simple.

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