ok...so all i see that it can do is make it more effiecently cross-browser.....and i see that its EXTREMELY strict with its code. but that means nothing, that doesn't tell me nothing special it can do other than allow more ppl to see my site without problems. Can it do nething else special. like allow ne better scripts that cant be used in normal HTML. Better manipulation and what not? or is it just HTML with Cross-browser enabled

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Sorry the url is w3schools.com If you go there you can learn everything there is about XHTML and how to use it.

There is the information to show the basic info about XHTML

 

 

 

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its more strict for example in html if you want bold and italic text you could type

<b><i>text here</b></i> but in xhtml youd have to type
<b><i>text here</i></b>
all the tags need to be properly nested. i dont really know all of xhtml but the main thing is its more strict

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I'll have to ask an apologee from all other members about this, but truth is that i have found out that XHTML is NOT THAT GREAT RIGHT NOW. Besides cross browser compatibility in an actual market composed of 95% of IE users (stats from google analytics, in a university portal which makes an average of 8000 visits a day, on week days that is, it goes down on weekends), there is no other overwhelming reason to change...

Dont get me wrong! I am actually coding each and every of my latest works and projects in strict xhtml 1.0, and im proud to tell that its valid code(except for the php send mail which requieres the transitional "name" atribute, in which i switched the doctype to transitional hehe ). I go for it, i support it and encourage other people to use it, and i state the same things you have said before in this thread.

But when it comes to it, when some one ask something like this (what else?!) i have no answer but "Its the latest trend, its the biggest fashion and it looks cool and geeky and great, it validates on the w3c standards, its the mode, you are out if you dont use it".

This is not my main reason to do it, but its also works for encouraging ourselves to do so.. am i wrong? would some one tellme that has never done so?

I'd like to get this point clear, the future is coming and firefox is coming for IE. Standars are begging to rise again like the fiery phoenix from the ashes of what it first was meant to be the html and world wide web, according to Tim Berners Lee. So sooner or later everybody (like it or not) will just have to switch, or be left off the market in the first place (what advantajes can a web developer offer against that who uses "International Standard Code endorsed by the World Wide Web Consortium, the non-comercial organisation which dedicates to the development of web technologies to further increase its usability among users and platforms"... astonishing huh?) and later it will just have gone...

There are several products that make your life easier, some commercial and some free. Im not much into the free ones but im sure anyone here can post a few links. Besides is not that hard, and it really helps the community. Its the web 2.0 attitude.

It also really makes a lot easier to count in people with disabilities. There are programs that literally read the screen for blind people. Blind at all, so the program reads it for them. And they are not too far away, if you use win xp go to start -> run -> and type "narrator". There is also a very famous screen reader named "JAWS" which also does the trick. That's why people keeps telling you websites with tables layout are bad for them, becouse the screen reader reads text, but not images, and it reads it in the logical order that it finds the code, so if you see td's after td's the order wont be as logical as if you have just plain text, see what i mean?

And well, the way xhtml helps actually helps those people, is by thinking with another kind of markup structure, like a microsoft word document, first the title, then the index or list of content, then the content and then the last notes about the document.

So it shifts to: h1 for the title, immediately next, a menu with the site content, usually it has trend to be an unordered list (with lots of css to look more than just a list), then the paragraphs and all content of the site. Then the footer notes.

It is just an example, a very simple one. But thats what is all about, to make web sites more accesible to everybody, and better sites that might be already accesible, lighter-weight, and easier to update.

XHTML does not grants your site to be accesible, it depends in a lot of things, but its the mentaility. Like ajax, if you have heard of it, its not a technology in itself but a group of technologies and mentalities that astray into another.

In short: its not that different from the old school html, but it lumps together lots of details that are becoming more and more important while designing for the whole globe, not just win/ie, or not just people without disabilities, or people with low speed connection, or people with a pc (we know people access the web in all sort of devices today, cellphones, pda's, different os platforms etc), or people with little time to spend in the site, or whatever. Its the "everybody-in" fashion now.

Hope it helps ya out

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WTF? You're demanding an apology? What does anyone have to apologise for?
And if that weren't bad enough, you then summarise what everyone else has already written in this thread and end up not supporting your original statement.

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haha I'm not demanding anything, i just said what "I'll have to do", but "I" references to me.

I do support my original statement, I support both, just telling my part of the story, I believe in both arguments, can't we believe in several stuff at the same time? They are not opossed, just complement each other, in some ways.

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Calm down guys. I just think that XHTML will help solve the browser wars (especially if the <object> tag will end up being deprecated). Who cares if it ain't that great? Those who want to spend the time can use, everyone else can whatever the heck they want their pages.

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Also, Mambo/Joomla uses XHTML. It's like a new standard. I mean it's like every one uses Win XP now when they used Win 98 before. Why? because everyone uses it, and it's a trend. Even if the computer is slow, everyone(well, the nontechy) wants the name "Windows XP" in their computer and installs it and turns of the visual effect and still uses it even if it's very slow.

A better example would be Win98/WinMe though

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How will people serve up Flash content without the <object> tag?

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I have a simple question. If the main thrust of xhtml is to promote cross browser functionality, does xhtml display correctly on all the current browsers available today?

As I have mentioned in another thread, using CSS for formatting as I understand is required with xhtml, but even CSS has different attributes for different browsers. Does this mean CSS will also be changed to a "standard" so it displays the same on all browsers?

Xhtml and CSS might be the "in thing" at the moment, but even they have cross browser problems.

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