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What Is God? - simple question, hard to answer!

truefusion
QUOTE(Blacklaser @ Jun 16 2006, 10:20 PM) *
Wicked isn't it?

Seems interesting. Good to keep in mind laugh.gif.

But what i got from your explanation is something gets predetermined, then the atoms go into action. How do things get predetermined? What creates this predetermination? These things can't predetermine themselves, can they? I know atoms have other, smaller atoms inside of them, but there has to be a limit, right?

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Dagoth Nereviar
As Bill Bailey quotes on Part Troll (Or something similar) :

"[Some russian scientist] says that God is a human reflex.I feeling to create a shared being. Then again, I wouldn't trust what [Russian scientist's name] says, since he used to torment dogs for a living!"

I feel this way too, that God is something we've made up, because we don't want to think that death is the end.

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Blacklaser
QUOTE(truefusion @ Jun 17 2006, 09:10 AM) *

But what i got from your explanation is something gets predetermined, then the atoms go into action. How do things get predetermined? What creates this predetermination? These things can't predetermine themselves, can they? I know atoms have other, smaller atoms inside of them, but there has to be a limit, right?


We won't know what predetermines them until we know what (and how it) caused the bigbang. Yes there seems to be a limit but we haven't found it yet, so far electrons (among with a very few others) are the only particles which scientists believe to be unsplitable.



QUOTE(Dagoth Nereviar @ Jun 17 2006, 11:12 AM) *

I feel this way too, that God is something we've made up, because we don't want to think that death is the end.

That's what I think too.

 

 

 


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truefusion
QUOTE(Dagoth Nereviar @ Jun 17 2006, 07:12 AM) *
[...] because we don't want to think that death is the end.

Not everyone thinks like that. Some people try to - those that don't believe that there is a God - look for a way to make themselves live forever. What do they call it, "The search for the Fountain of Youth"?

So, thinking that we believe in a God cause we don't want an end is debatable.

But who'd want to live forever, in a world where wickedness is around the corner?

Question(s): how can people revive people by prayer? Or heal people by prayer?

QUOTE(Blacklaser @ Jun 17 2006, 08:38 AM) *
[1]We won't know what predetermines them until we know what (and how it) caused the bigbang. [2]Yes there seems to be a limit but we haven't found it yet, so far electrons (among with a very few others) are the only particles which scientists believe to be unsplitable.

[1]First, there was nothing. Then, there was heat, then it became compressed to a point where it created a "Big Bang". We all know, we can't create something from nothing. And i think the chances of something like this happening by chance was 10 to the power of 120. Could have been more.
[2]Who knows, maybe ten years from now, scientist might actually be able to split electrons, and whatnot. It'd be funny to find nothing inside them.

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Blacklaser
QUOTE(truefusion @ Jun 17 2006, 11:13 PM) *

[A] But who'd want to live forever, in a world where wickedness is around the corner?

[B]Question(s): how can people revive people by prayer? Or heal people by prayer?

[C]Who knows, maybe ten years from now, scientist might actually be able to split electrons, and whatnot. It'd be funny to find nothing inside them.


[A] I agree, but then the survival instinct insead of us is very strong and I can understand how some poeple would want to live forever.

[B] actually a recent brtish study with over 1ooo poeple showed that prayer only helped if the poeple being prayed for were actually aware of it, and in that case it's easily explained as a psychological effect.

[C]If you consider pure energy nothing, then there probably will be nothing in an electron. Once scientists understand better how energy transforms into matter it will be possible to better understand what happened at the big bang and how one can create something tangible from nothing non-tangible.

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truefusion
QUOTE(Blacklaser @ Jun 18 2006, 05:31 AM) *

[A] I agree, but then the survival instinct insead of us is very strong and I can understand how some poeple would want to live forever.

[B] actually a recent brtish study with over 1ooo poeple showed that prayer only helped if the poeple being prayed for were actually aware of it, and in that case it's easily explained as a psychological effect.

[C]If you consider pure energy nothing, then there probably will be nothing in an electron. Once scientists understand better how energy transforms into matter it will be possible to better understand what happened at the big bang and how one can create something tangible from nothing non-tangible.

[A]Indeed. But, i was implying that not everyone who wants eternal life believes in God, or even thinks about a god.

[B]Good to know. But, what about my other question?:
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how can people revive people by prayer?

Can a dead person be aware of things? Also, there was another study, 8 patients. 4 of which were prayed for. They were all diagnosed with the same thing. All prayer was done in the background. None of the patients were aware of it. 4 patients were prayed for, the other 4 weren't. The 4 that were prayed for, came out of the hospital in better, healthier conditions then the ones that weren't prayed for. The interesting part is that they were all treated no differently, besides the fact that 4 of which were prayed for.

[C]Hopefully, they find something interesting before i die. tongue.gif

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Blacklaser
QUOTE(truefusion @ Jun 18 2006, 06:27 PM) *

[B]Good to know. But, what about my other question?:
Can a dead person be aware of things? Also, there was another study, 8 patients. 4 of which were prayed for. They were all diagnosed with the same thing. All prayer was done in the background. None of the patients were aware of it. 4 patients were prayed for, the other 4 weren't. The 4 that were prayed for, came out of the hospital in better, healthier conditions then the ones that weren't prayed for. The interesting part is that they were all treated no differently, besides the fact that 4 of which were prayed for.


Nope dead persons can't be aware of things, as soon as the complex network brakes down awareness stops.

Study with eight (8) persons? pure coincidence

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truefusion
QUOTE(Blacklaser @ Jun 18 2006, 04:12 PM) *

[1]Nope dead persons can't be aware of things, as soon as the complex network brakes down awareness stops.

Study with eight (8) persons? [2]pure coincidence

[1]That's good to hear. That would mean if someone were to raise someone from the dead, by the means of prayer, that would contradict (underline by me):
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actually a recent brtish study with over 1ooo poeple showed that prayer only helped if the poeple being prayed for were actually aware of it, and in that case it's easily explained as a psychological effect.
Although, the 8 patients test should have already contradicted it.

[2]It can be said to be "pure coincidence", and be left at that. But what if another study of the exact same thing would happen again, and the results were the same? Would it still be consider "pure coincidence"? How about if it happened a third time? Still a "pure coincidence"? Truly, i'm not aware of other instances, but now i want to look for more.

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Blacklaser
You're right of course it would contradict that but guess why nobody has ever been raised from the dead... and no I don't believe that Jesus was raised form the dead, there is NO empiric proof anybody has ever been raised from the dead.

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truefusion
QUOTE(Blacklaser @ Jun 19 2006, 04:56 AM) *
You're right of course it would contradict that but guess why nobody has ever been raised from the dead... and no I don't believe that Jesus was raised form the dead, there is NO empiric proof anybody has ever been raised from the dead.

Don't worry, i wasn't going to mention Jesus's resurrection. But, now that you've mentioned it, how about Jesus's miracles? You know the one where he rose Lazarus from the dead, what do you think about that?

Also [link] (bold by me):
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Branham's engagement with the supernatural included miracles. In 1948 God showed him a vision of a boy being raised from the dead. He related the details to his audiences and asked them to write those details down in the flyleaves of their bibles.

The vision was fulfilled two years later during a speaking trip to Helsinki, Finland in 1950 at the scene of a street accident near Kuopio, Finland. A boy on a bicycle had been struck by a car and had been killed. Branham's party had come upon the scene, and he then asked that the sheet covering the boy's body be removed, because he recognized the boy as the one he had seen in his vision. He then prayed over the child and the child was raised from the dead.

I guess there's "no empiric proof" of anyone being raised from the dead, cause it is well hidden; took me a while to find that. But, everything that is hidden shall become visible. tongue.gif

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