Dagoth Nereviar
Dec 25 2006, 10:11 PM
QUOTE(salamangkero @ Dec 23 2006, 06:03 PM)  This... altered view on reliving one's life is, well, quite interesting. So if it were true, I could very well be on my second or billionth life but most certainly not my first, as evidenced by the mere existence of the deja vu phenomenon I've encountered. [cut out text to keep short] Quite contradictory if you ask me. It's very interesting, though. Your ideas had my mental gears a-running.
Damn you and your reasoning  Only joking...I knew the theory would be very flawed, but is interesting/weird  I'm glad it got you thinking  Maybe the deja vu's you get in your first life...are...uhm...pretend ones?  *hides*  I still believe my idea, but i'm sure I'll end up thinking differently. QUOTE(salamangkero @ Dec 22 2006, 05:38 PM)  Now, dream. There is a theory that dreaming is like a survival strategy machine where the mind tries out random possibilities and attempts to predict the outcome. [cut out text to keep short...again  ] True enough, we have; what is eerie is the accuracy of that dream owing to a conversation we have unknowingly overheard. All of this post got me thinking, and alot of it is amazing (were you taught that, or did you think it up yourself?) because it's close to what it could possibly be. But it was the dream thing that got me the most (again because it could actually be that)...but it (and a previous post) made me recall when I had a dream when I was younger. I was in my brother's bedroom, with my brother, playing some sort of hand-held console (it actually looked like a toy gun I had). It wasn't until a year or so ago that I realised, it had actually taken place in my brother's current bedroom, which is a converted loft. Back when I had the dream, it was still a normal loft. I also realised that the colour scheme and some of his drawers where similar/the same as to what he has today. It could be, however, that I couldn't fully remember the dream (I do have very bad memory) and filled in "blanks" of the dream with recent information (I think something like this was also said in a previous post?) But, I am going slightly off topic here, so I'll shush before I go too far 
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tonzi
Jan 10 2007, 08:36 AM
i read somewehere that this regards in our past life. Our life before we exist had been on those places that you actually felt the dejavu ..
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csgaming
Jan 14 2007, 03:43 PM
hmmmm... It's like teleportation... Well at least i saw it like done by Criss Angel...
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Jimmy
Jan 14 2007, 11:55 PM
QUOTE(quakesand @ Dec 24 2006, 07:39 AM)  That happened to me everytime, but now it happens less since I'm growing bigger... I trying to practice it these days but i don't see any better results. I had no idea why that happen Very true... I used to get this really ALL the time, but now I'm older I don't experience it; on a significantly less frequent basis... interesting to hear someone else say that!!  very interesting. QUOTE For example, you could very well be in a classroom listening to the teacher. Your conscious thought is focused on the lecture, effectively overriding other stimuli from leaking into your conscious thoughts. However, it could very well be that you are overhearing talk of something, let's say a hotel lobby. We could very well be unconscious that descriptions of this hotel lobby is secretly being encoded into our memory. Indeed, we'd have no idea of it since our mind is pre-occupied with this lecture.
Now, dream. There is a theory that dreaming is like a survival strategy machine where the mind tries out random possibilities and attempts to predict the outcome. We all know nitroglycerine is highly unstable but ever and anon, we may dream of ourselves, or someone else, shaking nitro and ending up in fine pieces. This is how the mind, through simulation, re-affirms that nitro, indeed, is dangerous.
Sometimes, the dreaming mind might retrieve from our memory something we are not aware we know, like our hotel lobby, for example. From this stealthily encoded data, our mind could very well conjure us a scenario where we'd be in this lobby when the bomb goes off.
Now, let's say you have finally made it to the hotel in question. Entering the lobby, we'd get that strange feeling that we have been here. In reality, we have our suspicion that we have dreamed of this. True enough, we have; what is eerie is the accuracy of that dream owing to a conversation we have unknowingly overheard.
Then again, it could just be the Matrix reprogramming something.
All very accurate ideas. I would go as far as to say I agree 99.9% i would have given 100%, but I may just be re-thinking this, and so in a few hours i may have decided that I do not agree! Especially the matrix one. Those films really hit me as I can get the entire idea into my head and it could well be an explanation to everything...!  Interesting topic. I shall follow this one QUOTE i read somewehere that this regards in our past life. Our life before we exist had been on those places that you actually felt the dejavu .. sorry, but I don't agree. For example, if in my previous life I was a bug, how would the situations I feel deja vu in now, such as walking along a part of a street or past a certain person take place, since a bug has a really different perspective, different view of "seeing things" and massively larger sizes of everything - just doesn't seem to be a valid argument... sorry  !
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salamangkero
Jan 15 2007, 01:27 AM
QUOTE(Jimmy @ Jan 15 2007, 07:55 AM)  sorry, but I don't agree. For example, if in my previous life I was a bug, how would the situations I feel deja vu in now, such as walking along a part of a street or past a certain person take place, since a bug has a really different perspective, different view of "seeing things" and massively larger sizes of everything - just doesn't seem to be a valid argument... sorry  ! Perhaps it is this "skewed" perspective that makes deja vu practically untraceable. You'll think you've never been to a place before but it's vaguely familiar. It could be because you have, indeed, been there, only, not as a human but, say, a parrot or a parakeet. It's like not remembering walking into a room because you flew in. If it were so, it'd be something our human minds might have difficulty grasping, hence, the vagueness  (I'm really to have used your counter-argument to prove what you were trying to disprove. It was nothing personal; 'twas nothing more than a spark of an idea)
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techclave
Jan 15 2007, 03:44 AM
Sounds interesting. I have experienced it may times. It is really , something strange. It makes me feel, i am in that place , doing things which i have already done there many times before. On watching the movie ,Matrix i really started believing there might be something more to it. That too, when Neo is informed by the Oracle , "You have already made the choice. But you are here to understand , why you made it. " I spent sleepless night thinking over this !!!!!!!!!
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iamlica
Jan 17 2007, 03:50 AM
It's actually having the feeling of being in a place or a situation before even if you havent. Like when you go visit a museum, you feel like you've been there before even if it's your first time there. Or when you get into a situation, you feel like "hey, this has happened before", even if it hasnt. In psychology, it's quite normal to have these feelings once in a while.
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Yratorm, LightMage
Jan 17 2007, 07:11 AM
You know the 'arrow of time' is linked to the third law of thermodynamics, which is, in one word, entropy. That is, things have a tendency to revert to chaos. Or, it takes more energy to make a thing than to break it. Sorry for the technicalities - bear with me. Now, our experience of the arrow of time is from 'past to future' BUT the reality of time need not be what it seems to be to human senses. Human senses have evolved NOT to perceive the true reality of the universe, but have evolved based on SURVIVAL of the fittest. So that what we 'perceive' to be true might not be reality at all. Consider that what seem to be 'solid objects' to our senses are actually largely empty space. That said, it just may be that time isn't the journey from past to future that human consciousness makes it appear to be - perhaps it's more like a field of endless possibilities, where all probabilities are possible! And that said, just perhaps, what we call 'deja vu' is not even remembering the past or future, but instead perceiving an event from another possible past or future, a perception of a random event plucked by random probability from the sheet of time.
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-+-+-
Feb 9 2007, 05:30 PM
thank you the term "deja vu" mean : already considering
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salamangkero
Feb 9 2007, 08:00 PM
QUOTE(Yratorm, LightMage @ Jan 17 2007, 03:11 PM)  That said, it just may be that time isn't the journey from past to future that human consciousness makes it appear to be - perhaps it's more like a field of endless possibilities, where all probabilities are possible!
And that said, just perhaps, what we call 'deja vu' is not even remembering the past or future, but instead perceiving an event from another possible past or future, a perception of a random event plucked by random probability from the sheet of time. Much as the views of a probabilistic universe tend to disturb my very soul, I would have to agree. There may be a lot more to the world than what we perceive. QUOTE(-+-+- @ Feb 10 2007, 01:30 AM)  thank you the term "deja vu" mean : already considering Yes, we all know that. Also, the "What is..." forum is probably more suited to discussions about a term rather than the mere statement of what it denotes or what the dictionary (or heaven forbid, Wikipedia) says it means
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