mrdee
Oct 28 2008, 10:43 PM
Hello, Let me begin with giving you some background information: I am 50 years old, male. I am 1.70 m. (5 ft 6 in) tall. I weigh 108 kg (16.5 stone, 238 lbs). I am diabetic and use insulin (which is not exactly good for losing weight). My problem is: I eat sensibly, which I can see by the fact that my sugar levels are normal, for eating I follow the GI (Glycaemic Index) of foods, and eat only the things which have a low GI and hence do not raise my blood sugar. I work out in the gym every day and do karate twice a week. Last year I managed to lose a lot of weight by eating the way I do now and taking regular exercise. However, even though I torture myself at the gym, and my muscles clearly feel that something is happening to them, I don't see any real difference. Worse even, when I stepped on the scales last Saturday, my weight had gone from 105 kg (16.5 stone, 231 lbs) to my current weight. That means I had put on more than half a stone (6.6 lbs to be exact) in 3 weeks time. Surely, by living the lefestyle I do, I should not put on any weight, should I? I know some people would argue now, "Yes, but muscle weighs more than fat", but surely, I should, apart from growing muscle, be burning fat as well, shouldn't I? After all, my current weight is far too high for someone my height, isn't it? Has anyone seen a similar problem before (or been in a similar situation)? Or even better, is there anyone who can offer some useful advice? Anything will be gratefully accepted.
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Running With Scissors
Oct 29 2008, 02:09 AM
Instead of going to the gym (or if you have the time to do both great) try running every day or every other day. If you don't think you can do that try a walk to run program like this Click HereRunning burns a lot more carbs then going to the gym does. I know that it can be hard to gather the motivation to run outside during the winter so get a friend to do it with you. If you do this walk to run program I gave you the weight will fall off you in no time. Just make sure to maintain a heathly diet along with the program. I hope this helps. If you have any questions just ask.
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Tran-Gate
Oct 29 2008, 02:21 AM
Get DDR (dance dance revolution)!! It is a fun way to burn a lot of carbs......
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mrdee
Oct 29 2008, 02:31 AM
Thank you for the advice so far. About running, would running daily on the treadmill at the gym also help (while I am there anyway)? It is indoors, but I assume the movements and effort are the same, plus you can also adjust the treadmill as if you were running up hill. Is that also a viable solution? Thanks.
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harrison858
Nov 1 2008, 11:17 AM
I think you could try the treadmill for like a week or so. Some people have said that the best time to jog is in the morning, around 5-6AM because you get fresh air, you sweat more, and it helps your immune system.
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Running With Scissors
Nov 1 2008, 05:01 PM
QUOTE(Tran-Gate @ Oct 28 2008, 09:21 PM)  Get DDR (dance dance revolution)!! It is a fun way to burn a lot of carbs...... lol I guess that would work too. I have never tried it but it looks like it could be a decent form of working out. QUOTE(mrdee @ Oct 28 2008, 09:31 PM)  Thank you for the advice so far. About running, would running daily on the treadmill at the gym also help (while I am there anyway)? It is indoors, but I assume the movements and effort are the same, plus you can also adjust the treadmill as if you were running up hill. Is that also a viable solution?
Thanks. I prefer running outside because of the wind and the hills and such make it harder hence burn more fat (or for me get faster). A tredmill works too but I personally hate them because I think my stride is too bug and it forces me to shorten it or fall of the back. I have been told before that running on the tredmill does have all the effect as running outside does and it makes sence. Onside you must push yourself forward with every step but on the tredmill all you do is pick up your feet and put them in front of you (no forward push off). In the begining the tredmill should be fine but I think you'll find running outside more enjoyable because there is more to see. Maybe if the gym is in a reasonable distance you could bike there and back. QUOTE(harrison858 @ Nov 1 2008, 06:17 AM)  I think you could try the treadmill for like a week or so.
Some people have said that the best time to jog is in the morning, around 5-6AM because you get fresh air, you sweat more, and it helps your immune system. I like running during the middle of the day in the winter and around the time you said in the summer or sometimes 7pm. Running does help your immune system in the long run but during a hard workout your defence levels are low.
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anwiii
Nov 1 2008, 07:37 PM
do more cardiovascular excersizes. treadmill, swimming laps is good, jumping jacks, etc. if you belong to a gym, ask a trainer there what a good excersize program for you is. if you're just building muscles, you're gonna gain weight. try burning the fat by doing the excersizes that make you breath hard. if you're not building up a sweat, you need to start doing that. don't drink too much before you hit the gym, but drink a lot of water after you're done so you don't dehydrate. i also suggest eating some carbs a couple hours before you hit the gym.
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encryptedwrath
Nov 1 2008, 09:38 PM
A medical consultation would probably be the first thing you'd want to do. If it turns out to be a problem , then at least you found out the problem , if not , then try some weight loss machines like Wii Fit , or go out Jogging every day  . Also , carry on with the gym but don't be too dependent on it
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ihost
Nov 2 2008, 12:15 AM
QUOTE(mrdee @ Oct 28 2008, 10:43 PM)  Hello,
Let me begin with giving you some background information: I am 50 years old, male. I am 1.70 m. (5 ft 6 in) tall. I weigh 108 kg (16.5 stone, 238 lbs). I am diabetic and use insulin (which is not exactly good for losing weight).
My problem is: I eat sensibly, which I can see by the fact that my sugar levels are normal, for eating I follow the GI (Glycaemic Index) of foods, and eat only the things which have a low GI and hence do not raise my blood sugar.
I work out in the gym every day and do karate twice a week. Last year I managed to lose a lot of weight by eating the way I do now and taking regular exercise.
However, even though I torture myself at the gym, and my muscles clearly feel that something is happening to them, I don't see any real difference. Worse even, when I stepped on the scales last Saturday, my weight had gone from 105 kg (16.5 stone, 231 lbs) to my current weight. That means I had put on more than half a stone (6.6 lbs to be exact) in 3 weeks time. Surely, by living the lefestyle I do, I should not put on any weight, should I? I know some people would argue now, "Yes, but muscle weighs more than fat", but surely, I should, apart from growing muscle, be burning fat as well, shouldn't I? After all, my current weight is far too high for someone my height, isn't it?
Has anyone seen a similar problem before (or been in a similar situation)? Or even better, is there anyone who can offer some useful advice? Anything will be gratefully accepted. Hi mrdee, First of all, it is not normal for you to have rapid weight gain, because it does not fall into diabetes type 2 symptoms (neither the type 1). The following are the common symptoms of diabetes which you've probably already noticed: Unusual weight loss, Excessive thirst and hunger, Increased fatigue, Irritability Blurry vision and so on. So as you can see, there is no way diabetes would be the cause of it. So you've got to see a doctor so he can send you to a specialist and check the following: Heart, Liver, Kidney. Actually, it is really common to have an heart failure, ovary syndrome or even a cushing syndrome. Get your tyroid checked also in case. There is a strong relationship between various autoimmune diseases, especially between Type 1 diabetes, autoimmune thyroid conditions, celiacs disease, etc. I'm not sure how strong the link is between Type 2 diabetes and hashimotos, because hashimotos can result in an underactive thyroid, which can result in weight gain. Keep your weight in check and thyroid levels (TSH) in the normal range. As you can see, in a sense, this goes all against my previous statement saying that diabetes is not causing weight loss. Yes I really mean it. It does not, but with the relation with some other diseases, it can. It is a possibility to take in consideration. Also, if you already did not knew, there are ways to cure Diabetes. Type 2 diabetes can be ''cured'' through weight loss and keep it stable (which is pretty hard in your situation unless of a liposuction).For Type 1 diabetes, the only known cure is an islet cell or pancreas transplant. Eventually, all those requires surgeries, so it is at your own risk! Got to consult your family doctor for this. Well, I really hope this helps! Good luck. Tim.
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mrdee
Nov 3 2008, 05:49 PM
QUOTE(ihost @ Nov 2 2008, 01:15 AM)  Hi mrdee,
First of all, it is not normal for you to have rapid weight gain, because it does not fall into diabetes type 2 symptoms (neither the type 1). The following are the common symptoms of diabetes which you've probably already noticed:
Unusual weight loss, Excessive thirst and hunger, Increased fatigue, Irritability Blurry vision and so on. So as you can see, there is no way diabetes would be the cause of it. So you've got to see a doctor so he can send you to a specialist and check the following: Heart, Liver, Kidney. Actually, it is really common to have an heart failure, ovary syndrome or even a cushing syndrome. Get your tyroid checked also in case.
There is a strong relationship between various autoimmune diseases, especially between Type 1 diabetes, autoimmune thyroid conditions, celiacs disease, etc. I'm not sure how strong the link is between Type 2 diabetes and hashimotos, because hashimotos can result in an underactive thyroid, which can result in weight gain. Keep your weight in check and thyroid levels (TSH) in the normal range.
As you can see, in a sense, this goes all against my previous statement saying that diabetes is not causing weight loss. Yes I really mean it. It does not, but with the relation with some other diseases, it can. It is a possibility to take in consideration.
Also, if you already did not knew, there are ways to cure Diabetes. Type 2 diabetes can be ''cured'' through weight loss and keep it stable (which is pretty hard in your situation unless of a liposuction).For Type 1 diabetes, the only known cure is an islet cell or pancreas transplant. Eventually, all those requires surgeries, so it is at your own risk! Got to consult your family doctor for this.
Well, I really hope this helps! Good luck.
Tim. Thank you for this post. Tim. To go into a bit more detail: I do have type 2 diabetes, was not born with it, I was diagnosed with it in 2000. I know diabetes type 2 could be cured by spectacular weight loss, and I did mention to my doctor about a gastric bypass, but I got a complete 'no no' story from him. I recently had a blood test, everything (Liver, kidneys, Choleterol, Thyroid etc.) was normal. One thing I must say, though, I do not trust the doctor i saw very much, I only see him when there is no other choice, he is the type of doctor who cannot even be bothered to examine you properly. When I see him, and I tell him "I have a pain here or there", or whatever, quite often, without even looking at me, he begins to tap his computer and then says, "take this or that three times a day, that should cure it", without even properly explaining what is wrong with you. The same thing, when i told him I had problems losing weight, in spite of healthy eating and having lots of exercise, he told me a sort of *BLEEP* and bull story about "Well, you have had your body for half a century now, and it has now got used to carrying this sort of weight (I am sure it has not, otherwise i would not feel so tired and I would not have all the problems I have), so healthy eating and exercising will not make a lot of difference". So, in short, he was sort of telling me, "don't try to lose weight, it will not work anyway", I definitely refuse to accept this, and I know that I MUST lose weight in order to sort a lot of problems out, so i obviously need help, and any advice will be welcome. I also don't know whether this is relevant or whether it has anything to do with my problem, but the weight loss seems to have started since the doctor also changed my medication. I told him I am constantly tired, and he changed my Atenolol (a beta vlocker to control adrenaline and blood pressure) from 100 mg to 50 mg (so he halved the dose). Since then my vlodd pressure has gone up a bit, but he said it was the only reason he saw for my lethargy. I wonder whether that contributes to my problem. Also, I don't know where you are from, but I think the majority of doctors here in the UK are a load of rubbish, many of them either don't care, are totally incompetent, or both. And I can safely say that, having lived abroad for many years and seeing the difference of treatment I used to get there when I needed it. Oh yes, I also forgot, in 2001 I developed angina pectoris, and then ended up having a heart attack (although, that is the competence of the UK doctors again, I have NEVER had an answer to my question after all those years whether I did or did not have a heart attack). Anyway, I had an angioplasty then and a stent was put into my artery, and, touch wood, i have been all right since then. I hope this gives some more information, and if you can offer further advice I would be glad to hear it. Thank you for what you have told me so far. By the way, I think we can eliminate ovary syndrome, as I am of the male species.
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mrdee
Dec 6 2008, 12:16 AM
Thank you all for all the good advice I have received so far. Here is a little update too: at the gym, one of the staff members challenged me that I had to be able to run (on the treadmill) 1 mile in under 7 minutes in 2 months time (February 2nd to be exact). Now, i have started training like mad, at the moment with interval training, ie. start with 2 minutes walking at 4.0 mph, 3 minutes running at 5 mph, another 2 walking, etc. until I reach the one mile. At the moment I have achieved 13.12 minutes doing interval (I cannot run continuously yet). first of all, if anyone has any training tips, they will be more than welcome. What i do at the moment is tarin every day, and bit by bit i increase the speed, and I shall also be increasing the running time while decreasing the walking time. Is that the right way to go about it? To be quite honest, yesterday, i thought I was going to drop, which brings me into the next question: the training must also be an excellent fat burner, as I had a heart rate of 150 at times. Is that correct, or shouldn't I be doing that? So, please, if anyone can offer further assistance, it will be more than welcome. I forgot to tell you what the bet is about: if I win, the gym assistant is going to give me 3 Personal trainer sessions free. However, if I lose, I will have to row 10,000 meters. Oh dear, oh dear. So, any advice, let me have it please. Thanks.
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onscreen
Dec 2 2008, 06:41 AM
Water have mass that allow us humans to use more muscle to work through and that is why swimming is the best form of sports for body building. Still for a more convenient workout, push up, chin up, sit up, dumb bell exercise does the same job as well. I cant talk further about weight loss as i am underweight and trying to gain more weight
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laniczech
Dec 2 2008, 06:35 AM
I have heard of foods that burn more calories to digest than they actualy have, hence negative calories... and as for exercise if you do karate already find a pool and work on your forms under water, not as hard on your body, yet very effective
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wingman23
Dec 2 2008, 05:29 AM
I can relate to what you are saying here, i believe that the age factor as a lot to do with this. I'll explain.. im now 47 and all my life ive been fit and active, then i hit 46, and no matter what i did, i simply kept putting on the wieght, i weight lifted, walked everywhere, that is if i wasnt riding my mountain bike, and would the weight come off, no, it wouldnt. I think this is what people call middle aged spread, some of us are prone to it i guess, and like me, you arent the tallest of people which doesnt help, im only 5'3 so i really cant carry much weight before it shows. i do everything i can, dont ever eat big meals or eat late, i dont drink alchohol or eat fattening biscuits and cakes, but still, my body seems to go one way, and thats out. Doesnt seem a lot you can do about it, well apart from going on one of those silly diets like the cabbage diet or something, but that really isnt healthy and you always end up fatter than you were when you have to come off it
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mrdee
Nov 23 2008, 07:18 PM
QUOTE(krazygoddess @ Nov 23 2008, 05:50 PM)  Well I have to agree with alot of them I think either running or a treadmill would be an excellent idea and swimming If it is winter for you maybe an indoor pool some gyms have them i believe or even like YMCA I know they have pools open all year round, And swimming is suppose to be one of the best excersices you can do It takes all or most or your muscles when you are in the water. Drink lots of water. You really seem to be trying and I bet if you keep it up and dont get discouraged you will get the results you want in the near future. I do drink lots of water, and like that I get rid of a lot of waste. I must admit, since I started doing that (8 glasses of water a day, appr. 2 litres, of which 3 glasses on an empty stomach). I have began to notice a significant change in some areas of my body.
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