I love good ole fights so much to watch people argue back and forth and keep beating the dead horse. Anyway I been a webmaster going on 13 years and I tell you this all these websites that are being named guess where they got there ideas from, other websites. Websites are all a beginning and besides why pay for free information or become a paid member for information you can get for free. Heck I only become aware of sitepoint after finding a link for a free Ruby on Rails book, but it doesn't make me ignorant that they don't exist. Of course that is one of the major reasons why I don't design for myself because there are no original websites anymore because someone is always copying someone else ideas and content and stuff like that. Besides if they were so good and making tons of money they be doing a lot more advertising and word of mouth type stuff.

Also to correct you bsdpowa, both showcase and Website Review are pretty much the same thing, however, website showcase is for sites people have designed while website review are websites that other people have seen and come across. Either both forums are the same so it don't matter where someone puts there site to get reviewed just as long as people can comment on how a person can improve there websites.

To answer anwii's question on which website is the biggest here are the results

sitepoint 343.00 pages index
DigitalPoint 806,000 pages index
Webmaster talk inconclusive has the are many different domains so I don't know which one bsdpowa is talking about
V7N only 72,000 pages index

So there you go those are the results of anwii's question. Now let me ask this question bsdpowa, why haven't you review these sites or post about them on the forums and let other people know. Don't you think people will have an easier time finding sites to help them out if people post about them? I think it would be important for you to make a Topic or post about these websites and provide information on what these websites are about, I would do it since I brought it up but you know a lot more about them then I.

And being the coolness know as S&M, this fight is over and I think I will let the mods know to keep an eye on this topic so there would be less off topic spam in topics that shouldn't even have it to begin with.

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well this is a waste of time. you obviously so no point to anyone but your own self. this conversation is over. i don't feel like allowing you to get credit for your jibberish posts in this thread here anymore.

all this guy asked for is what we thought of his site. that was IT and you make a big whole issue about off topic nonsense

btw- i personally liked his site only because he took the time from the start to create the many topics needed so information wont get cluttered. i can tell he put some time in to it so he should be proud of what he's done so far.

you on the other hand don't even have a website so i don't know what your point is to all your jibberish

lastly, let me explain why i don't go to the webmaster forums. the experienced webmasters go there because they like to help people and answer questions. not because they have anything to learn from there for the most part. the experienced webmasters get their information and resources elsewhere for the most part. the inexperienced people are usually the ones posting questions or thanking the ones who posted usefull information for them that they would have no other knowledge of if they didn't visit the forums. fact is bud, there are other places other than forums that will give you a ton more resources and information than any forum you can name including digital point which is probably the biggest webmaster forum on the internet. it's certainly the most well known and oldest and most established since they came online.....what.....10 year ago?

the reason why so many webmasters go to the webmaster forums is because it's an easy search for them and easily acessable. with a little more searching and research though, these same people who are looking for guidance and answers can find even better resources and information. just takes a little more time and effort to find these places and people who offer the information for free. not to discredit webmaster forums. they are a great place to get your feet wet, but believe me, if you think for one second if people don't visit and learn from the webmaster forums that they are not a serious webmaster, you are seriously mistaken and have a alot to learn.

now for me and others who have been on the internet trying to establish themselves as a webmaster over 10 years ago when the WWW was established on the internet, there was no webmaster forums and very little help and information out there. we had to learn from scratch and from our own mistakes. sure, i can go to the webmaster forums and learn a little but it's not worth my time when all information to me is available elsewhere and a lot more usefull information that you rarely see in any forum including digitalpoint. if i were to go there, my time would probably be spent helping others with their own questions and problems. i don't know about you, but i don't have the time for that.

also, when you get your information on the forums, a lot of time you have people like you on there that don't know what they're talking about. it creates a lot of debate and frustration with those that just want a no nonsense answer to their questions or problems and information they need to start building on their own vision. it creates a lot of confusion for those that just want solid information without people discrediting eachother in what is the best way to do things.

this is why you will rarely see any top webmasters wasting their time on those forums no matter how long they've been established. they, like me, have other resources and have better things to do than to visit these forums. in fact, they wont even go there to post to get their sig back links. why? because the smart ones like me know they don't make a difference to page rank or worthwile relevant links to their own webite. this has been a common myth for 5 years now and i am sure this myth is still being spread around the net and even on the most established webmaster forums in the seo sections.

now the #1 thing most webmasters seek for now is good seo techniques. do you think these forums are offering that up to date information? i mean....the really good stuff? no! why? because more experienced webmasters will charge for it. why would you think they would give that information out for free in some well established forum? they don't want their ranking to go down just because they supplied the most valuable information to millions of people.

so my point is, the more experienced webmasters will answer questions there if they have nothing better to do. you see mainly the more unexperienced wanting information and the good information they will rarely get in any webmaster forum. and believe me. normally, if a webmaster has nothing better to do than answer questions on a forum, then i question their knowledge as it is unless they are taking a break for a while because i know being a webmaster is sometimes an 18 hour a day job if what to do it right. there is a lot involved being a good webmaster and these people will have absolutely NO time to post on any free site that they aren't gettin' paid for

so the webmaster forums are good to get your feet wet. there is a lot of basice information on there. the guy who just put his webmaster forum online needs to seperate himself with all the other forums and find information he can post on his own forum that can't be found on any other.....this is quite easy to do if you know where to look.

enough said. happy posting elsewhere. i just needed to get my 2 cents in beofre i stop posting on this thread....

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You should read more carefully.
This is Website Showcase forum where people advertise their websites to the world and there's another forum called Website Reviews. Now that's where all the reviews go. Looks like you got these two mixed up.

Buy yourself a sarcasm detector.



Can you please quote me saying one needs a forum to become a webmaster?
I said if you haven't heard of internet's biggest webmaster communities then I doubt you being a serious webmaster but that doesn't mean you need to be active in such communities in order to be called a webmaster. Microsoft was there before show were held but today they still advertise their services and products on IT events. I don't have a website and I'm an affiliate manager. I make quite some money but I would definitely made much less if I wouldn't be active on forums.



No, doesn't ring a bell. Sorry.
I really don't want to do a copypasta on myself and spam this forum so please read my last post, it's the answer to your last paragraph. Thanks.

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