Read Latest Entries..: (Post #23) by iGuest on Aug 26 2008, 07:24 AM. (Line Breaks Removed)
Don't underestimate your enemy.There are many things we don't see on both the US and Chinese side,things that can destroy countries within days.The Chinese must be forced to sign some kind of peace treaty, and join the US an UN forces to fight for justice and peace.Same thing should be done with Russia and other separatist or rogue states.-reply by Kaiser... read more.
Have you guys heard about the war that maybe happening between china and the untied stats in 2007-08. If that happened things could really turn bad because according to articles china is tripleing their army every year and have come out with new missle technology to bypass the americans missle diffense system. If the two countrys went to war it could spark world war 3 and things would turn ugly with all the nucleaure bombs that are out there. And if china did happen to win the war they say that the could rule the states/canada and many more countrys. Ill try to the link to the article and then edit it into my post.
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HORRIBLE topic title. "War", which one? WW1? WW2? War of the worlds? Hmm? Changed title. Issued warning.
What is your concrete proof to base this kind of claim? Your title is also weak. Are you by any chance referring to the post we had http://www.trap17.com/forums/index.php?sho...ndpost&p=162478 here about a Chinese General Zhu Chenghu just commenting a possible scenario? It's not news if there isn't a supportive fact(s). I can only take it as a mere rumor. If you forgot to include the news article or a report, please use the REPORT! button below your post and let moderators know what to edit it.
Hey its from my tfc clan forum and they guy copied and pasted it from the news article is there anyway that i could give it to a mod and then they can post it so that i dont get crazy post credit for it because its kind of long but i do have proof.
Have you guys heard about the war that maybe happening between china and the untied stats in 2007-08. If that happened things could really turn bad because according to articles china is tripleing their army every year and have come out with new missle technology to bypass the americans missle diffense system. If the two countrys went to war it could spark world war 3 and things would turn ugly with all the nucleaure bombs that are out there. And if china did happen to win the war they say that the could rule the states/canada and many more countrys. Ill try to the link to the article and then edit it into my post.
Well, just like what I've heard. China become a super power and has different newly developed and hi-tech war technology. and according to the news, china has over $60 billion fund which some of them or lets say half of them are fund for national defense and R&D section. It's not amazing why china has an advance war technology and can tripple the army every year because they have all the fund they needed. US, well strong enough based on my knowledge and I don't have any idea about the new war technology they have. I am sure there are newly developed war technology in US, and if the prediction was happend wow, it's like a Yuri's revenge war I mean world war 3 may occur.
Who can tell which country will win the battle? I don't know both of them are very powerful, if chinca developed new technology, why US can't right? FYI, US has more fund for national defense also, for all us goverment agency, national defense is the biggest fund of all, so be aware that US has already developed different war technology which includes the long range missile guided by the satellite, anti-nuc, anti-missile, stealth bomber, and many more. they both war expert....
Anyway hope this will not happen again... world war 1 and world war 2 is enough for me, I dont want to see world war 3 again in the human history...
Here i got premission to copy it from my clan website.
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China is building its military forces faster than U.S. intelligence and military analysts expected, prompting fears that Beijing will attack Taiwan in the next two years, according to Pentagon officials. U.S. defense and intelligence officials say all the signs point in one troubling direction: Beijing then will be forced to go to war with the United States, which has vowed to defend Taiwan against a Chinese attack. China's military buildup includes an array of new high-technology weapons, such as warships, submarines, missiles and a maneuverable warhead designed to defeat U.S. missile defenses. Recent intelligence reports also show that China has stepped up military exercises involving amphibious assaults, viewed as another sign that it is preparing for an attack on Taiwan. "There's a growing consensus that at some point in the mid-to-late '90s, there was a fundamental shift in the sophistication, breadth and re-sorting of Chinese defense planning," said Richard Lawless, a senior China-policy maker in the Pentagon. "And what we're seeing now is a manifestation of that change in the number of new systems that are being deployed, the sophistication of those systems and the interoperability of the systems." China's economy has been growing at a rate of at least 10 percent for each of the past 10 years, providing the country's military with the needed funds for modernization. The combination of a vibrant centralized economy, growing military and increasingly fervent nationalism has transformed China into what many defense officials view as a fascist state. "We may be seeing in China the first true fascist society on the model of Nazi Germany, where you have this incredible resource base in a commercial economy with strong nationalism, which the military was able to reach into and ramp up incredible production," a senior defense official said. For Pentagon officials, alarm bells have been going off for the past two years as China's military began rapidly building and buying new troop- and weapon-carrying ships and submarines.
The release of an official Chinese government report in December called the situation on the Taiwan Strait "grim" and said the country's military could "crush" Taiwan. Earlier this year, Beijing passed an anti-secession law, a unilateral measure that upset the fragile political status quo across the Taiwan Strait. The law gives Chinese leaders a legal basis they previously did not have to conduct a military attack on Taiwan, U.S. officials said. The war fears come despite the fact that China is hosting the Olympic Games in 2008 and, therefore, some officials say, would be reluctant to invoke the international condemnation that a military attack on Taiwan would cause. Army of the future In the past, some defense specialists insisted a Chinese attack on Taiwan would be a "million-man swim" across the Taiwan Strait because of the country's lack of troop-carrying ships. "We left the million-man swim behind in about 1998, 1999," the senior Pentagon official said. "And in fact, what people are saying now, whether or not that construct was ever useful, is that it's a moot point, because in just amphibious lift alone, the Chinese are doubling or even quadrupling their capability on an annual basis." Asked about a possible Chinese attack on Taiwan, the official put it bluntly: "In the '07-'08 time frame, a capability will be there that a year ago we would have said was very, very unlikely. We now assess that as being very likely to be there." Air Force Gen. Paul V. Hester, head of the Pacific Air Forces, said the U.S. military has been watching China's military buildup but has found it difficult to penetrate Beijing's "veil" of secrecy over it. While military modernization itself is not a major worry, "what does provide you a pause for interest and concern is the amount of modernization, the kind of modernization and the size of the modernization," he said during a recent breakfast meeting with reporters. China is building capabilities such as aerial refueling and airborne warning and control aircraft that can be used for regional defense and long-range power projection, Gen. Hester said. It also is developing a maneuverable re-entry vehicle, or MARV, for its nuclear warheads. The weapon is designed to counter U.S. strategic-missile defenses, according to officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity. The warhead would be used on China's new DF-31 long-range missiles and its new submarine missile, the JL-2. Work being done on China's weapons and reconnaissance systems will give its military the capability to reach 1,000 miles into the sea, "which gives them the visibility on the movement of not only our airplanes in the air, but also our forces at sea," Gen. Hester said. Beijing also has built a new tank for its large armed forces. It is known as the Type 99 and appears similar in design to Germany's Leopard 2 main battle tank. The tank is outfitted with new artillery, anti-aircraft and machine guns, advanced fire-control systems and improved engines. The country's air power is growing through the purchase of new fighters from Russia, such as Su-30 fighter-bombers, as well as the development of its own fighter jets, such as the J-10. Gen. Hester compared Chinese warplanes with those of the former Soviet Union, which were less capable than their U.S. counterparts, but still very deadly. "They have great equipment. The fighters are very technologically advanced, and what we know about them gives us pause for concern against ours," he said. Missiles also are a worry. "It is their surface-to-air missiles, their [advanced] SAMs and their surface-to-surface missiles, and the precision, more importantly, of those surface-to-surface missiles that provide, obviously, the ability to pinpoint targets that we might have out in the region, or our friends and allies might have," Gen. Hester said. The advances give the Chinese military "the ability ... to reach out and touch parts of the United States -- Guam, Hawaii and the mainland of the United States," he said. To better deal with possible future conflicts in Asia, the Pentagon is modernizing U.S. military facilities on the Western Pacific island of Guam and planning to move more forces there. The Air Force will regularly rotate Air Expeditionary Force units to Guam and also will station the new long-range unmanned aerial vehicle known as Global Hawk on the island, he said. It also has stationed B-2 stealth bombers on Guam temporarily and is expected to deploy B-1 bombers there, in addition to the B-52s now deployed there, Gen. Hester said.
Projecting power China's rulers have adopted what is known as the "two-island chain" strategy of extending control over large areas of the Pacific, covering inner and outer chains of islands stretching from Japan to Indonesia. "Clearly, they are still influenced by this first and second island chain," the intelligence official said. The official said China's buildup goes beyond what would be needed to fight a war against Taiwan. The conclusion of this official is that China wants a "blue-water" navy capable of projecting power far beyond the two island chains. "If you look at the technical capabilities of the weapons platforms that they're fielding, the sea-keeping capabilities, the size, sensors and weapons fit, this capability transcends the baseline that is required to deal with a Taiwan situation militarily," the intelligence official said. "So they are positioned then, if [Taiwan is] resolved one way or the other, to really become a regional military power as well." The dispatch of a Han-class submarine late last year to waters near Guam, Taiwan and Japan was an indication of the Chinese military's drive to expand its oceangoing capabilities, the officials said. The submarine surfaced in Japanese waters, triggering an emergency deployment of Japan's naval forces. Beijing later issued an apology for the incursion, but the political damage was done. Within months, Japan began adopting a tougher political posture toward China in its defense policies and public statements. A recent Japanese government defense report called China a strategic national security concern. It was the first time China was named specifically in a Japanese defense report.
Energy supply a factor For China, Taiwan is not the only issue behind the buildup of military forces. Beijing also is facing a major energy shortage that, according to one Pentagon study, could lead it to use military force to seize territory with oil and gas resources. The report produced for the Office of Net Assessment, which conducts assessments of future threats, was made public in January and warned that China's need for oil, gas and other energy resources is driving the country toward becoming an expansionist power. China "is looking not only to build a blue-water navy to control the sea lanes [from the Middle East], but also to develop undersea mines and missile capabilities to deter the potential disruption of its energy supplies from potential threats, including the U.S. Navy, especially in the case of a conflict with Taiwan," the report said. The report said China believes the United States already controls the sea routes from the oil-rich Persian Gulf through the Malacca Strait. Chinese President Hu Jintao has called this strategic vulnerability to disrupted energy supplies Beijing's "Malacca Dilemma." To prevent any disruption, China has adopted a "string of pearls" strategy that calls for both offensive and defensive measures stretching along the oil-shipment sea lanes from China's coast to the Middle East. The "pearls" include the Chinese-financed seaport being built at Gwadar, on the coast of western Pakistan, and commercial and military efforts to establish bases or diplomatic ties in Bangladesh, Burma, Cambodia, Thailand and disputed islands in the South China Sea. The report stated that China's ability to use these pearls for a "credible" military action is not certain. Pentagon intelligence officials, however, say the rapid Chinese naval buildup includes the capability to project power to these sea lanes in the future. "They are not doing a lot of surface patrols or any other kind of security evolutions that far afield," the intelligence official said. "There's no evidence of [Chinese military basing there] yet, but we do need to keep an eye toward that expansion." The report also highlighted the vulnerability of China's oil and gas infrastructure to a crippling U.S. attack. "The U.S. military could severely cripple Chinese resistance [during a conflict over Taiwan] by blocking its energy supply, whereas the [People's Liberation Army navy] poses little threat to United States' energy security," it said. China views the United States as "a potential threat because of its military superiority, its willingness to disrupt China's energy imports, its perceived encirclement of China and its disposition toward manipulating international politics," the report said.
'Mercantilist measures' The report stated that China will resort "to extreme, offensive and mercantilist measures when other strategies fail, to mitigate its vulnerabilities, such as seizing control of energy resources in neighboring states." U.S. officials have said two likely targets for China are the Russian Far East, which has vast oil and gas deposits, and Southeast Asia, which also has oil and gas resources. Michael Pillsbury, a former Pentagon official and specialist on China's military, said the internal U.S. government debate on the issue and excessive Chinese secrecy about its military buildup "has cost us 10 years to figure out what to do" "Everybody is starting to acknowledge the hard facts," Mr. Pillsbury said. "The China military buildup has been accelerating since 1999. As the buildup has gotten worse, China is trying hard to mask it." Richard Fisher, vice president of the International Assessment and Strategy Center, said that in 10 years, the Chinese army has shifted from a defensive force to an advanced military soon capable of operations ranging from space warfare to global non-nuclear cruise-missile strikes. "Let's all wake up. The post-Cold War peace is over," Mr. Fisher said. "We are now in an arms race with a new superpower whose goal is to contain and overtake the United States."
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Whether or not you had permission, it's not your article. The TOS states that you WILL use quote tags if you're copying something not yours. Soo, this is against the ToS and is being used to gain credits. Issue Warned. Quotes added.
lol i dont know how do the quote thing and no that post wasn't for credit i already stated that i could give the information to a mod/admin so that it wouldn't go towards to any of my credit but never got a response so i posted it.
Let's say the proposition goes forth and the war takes place, who will be the worse loser. It is going to be China. I don't think Chinese government will be that foolish to take chance to go to war with Taiwan. United States will definitely help Taiwan to many extend and possibly bomb cities like Beijing, Shanghai, and other important cities within China. And more damages will be incurred by Chinese people.
Whether they destroy Taiwan or not - Taiwanese too are CHinese not Americans. If they want to let their people (Taiwanese) live peacefully they should never interfere, rather allow them to grow manifolds as Taiwan has been doing for the past to three decades. And Taiwan's growth is good for China too.
And I don't think China can match United States within another 5 years. They may have more ground troops but ground troops don't count much in today's quite-modern warfare. United States also has more friends than China did. Of course, United States will probably know that attacking China shouldn't last for long and will strike with a bang.
I think China will only raise her concern in words like the general has outpoured his frustration but will not attack Taiwan. I hope..
I'm just learning about this, but I'm wondering...if China stopped trade with America wouldn't America's economy suffer? I mean, look how many goods are made in China?
Also, if this is ever going to happen, would it be a huge missile exchange or would their actually be physical fighting between the armies?
I've seen some pretty amazing tecnoligy in the usa my dad used to be one of the people programming the b2 bomber and f-22. I'd say f-22 is the best fighter in the world and let's just say the people on the news, and in a magizine don't have the right speeds for these amazing planes....
Don't underestimate your enemy.There are many things we don't see on both the US and Chinese side,things that can destroy countries within days.The Chinese must be forced to sign some kind of peace treaty, and join the US an UN forces to fight for justice and peace.Same thing should be done with Russia and other separatist or rogue states.
First, China will likely "implode" as more and more younger people realize the benefits of better standards of living and freedom. The heavy handed government of today, will find itself challenged by its own people in the coming years. The you.S. Doesn't need to do anything.
If war breaks out with Taiwan, it won't be a you.S. Blunder but a Chinese one. The world will help defend Taiwan, including the you.S. China's image will fail rapidly because its neighbors will come to the realization that China is an aggressive land hungry country. That being said, their own neighbors will do what is necessary to protect themselves. And don't be fooled; Russia might argue with the you.S., but they also realize they have a dragon behind their backs. They are not stupid by any stretch.
Finally, the you.S. Military machine is capable of packing a powerful punch. China might be modernizing and growing, but the you.S. Is still quite capable of delivering a powerful blow to China if they decide they want a fight. Remember, as China's military grows, so does the you.S. It isn't just about manpower.
If someone will starts a war it will be as usual USA for economical reasons to try to expand the economical bubble( you can't just print the $bills ,sooner or later the bubble burst
If Asia want's USA down,,they just sell the $ and collect there loans to US.
And I don't think anyone in Europe will be a rescue in UN eight er
Hope you get the maniac out from white house soon, so the rest of the world and many US citizen can take a rest
This topic reminds me of a popular quote... and this is actually all I am going to say on this because the information is so hypothetical... (which actually goes with the quote)
"I don't know how World War III will be fought... but I know that World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein
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