elaks
Nov 7 2007, 10:17 PM
QUOTE(Liam_CF @ Nov 5 2007, 10:45 PM)  Great to see another veggie.  I've been veggie since I was born, so I dont have a clue what it tastes like. My god.. No delicious bacon, no fried chicken. Don't even try it man, it's very likely you'll enjoy it. And I imagine it would be hard to quit.. Yeah- I eat meat because I don't have moral issues. The majority of the meat I eat is from small family butchers and Sainsburies free range (Tastes better). Whilst Sainsburies may not treat their animals with absolute respect, the small family butchers will definately buy from country farms. I also eat meat because I enjoy the taste. I'll admit that what I enjoy the most is tampered with quite alot (Sausages, Salami) but there is nothing more delicious in my mind than meat. I'm not saying this to appear a hard man, I dislike steak for instance (Too plain). Whilst I have friends who are vegetarian- I don't hold alot of respect for them. I would understand avoiding fast food resteraunts; but there are so many ways to get meat from a humane source that looks after it's animals. Alot of supermarkets for instance, use the fact they treat there animals well as promotion for products, e.g. Free range options are always the most advertised on shelves. QUOTE * It is a cheaper lifestyle to adopt and I'm poor. (this is debatable, it may or may not be true.) I find that eating good quality meat is expensive. Alot more so than vegetable stews, soups or lentils..
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faund
Nov 8 2007, 02:30 PM
I respect all animals. But i don't understand eating meat implies disrespect them. Many animals eat meat too. you should respect animals diet. It means animals can eat meat. Furthermore,in the food chain animal of eating meat is vital. They can keep the balance in the amount and species. Otherwise the amout of eating-grass animals will increase rapidly.The animals' world will be out-of-order. There will be no space for men. In the world there will be no plant since eaten up by animals. circumstance will be polluted where men can not live in . In fact , men ,as a part of food chain ,is vital to the whole world. man can not control the world but a part of the world. men can not change the world , but men has been suiting the world since he appeared.
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Liam_CF
Nov 8 2007, 04:20 PM
We are not a vital part of the foodchain. We are in a completely different foodchain to any other animal, because we farm our own animals. If we stopped eating meat then it would not make a single change to a foodchain. This is because we supply our own animals, we don't hunt them. Therefore, there would not be any more cows or anything because they are SPECIFICALLY grown just to feed humans. That is all.
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faund
Nov 9 2007, 11:35 AM
Human being did not know how to farm their own animal at very beginning . Only with the socity's develpment of human being ,and poulation was increasing ,food from the nature is limited. Men began to farm their animal. If food from the nature is enough for man. We won't farm extra animal. However human being will kill wild animals for eating too. If we did not farm the animals , people will hunt the wild animal. Thus the circumstance and foodchain will be damaged more badly.
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Liam_CF
Nov 9 2007, 04:07 PM
If we did not farm the animals, then we would not have to eat them. Therefore, we would not be a part of any foodchain. I am saying that human beings should not eat meat, and grow our own food in farms. You can still eat quorn etc.
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Mailoreothoriel
Nov 9 2007, 07:23 PM
I am a meat eater. I really don't like veggies.... I guess it's just the way I am. I always remove all the veggies and the like from anything I eat. Hamburgers and such... I only eat the bread and the patty xD. Strange, isn't it? I don't eat anything that grows from the earth xDDDDD haha But hey. We are cruel animals, we have capitalism, pop culture, politics and fashion. Eating meat is like running around with safe scissors compared to that things. HEY! VEGGIES ARE LIVING THINGS TOO!!!! just because they doesn't have brains doesn't means that it's ok to eat them >_< Hope you understand my ranting xD, I'm not against anyone, this is just the way I see things.
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Tetraca
Nov 9 2007, 10:28 PM
We weren't meant to be vegetarians. We're omnivores and there are things in our anatomy, such as our teeth, that tell the story of this. Get the best of both worlds like nature intended rather than one world. Eating plants is great for losing weight, so I can understand temporary vegitarianism for that. If you think you're morally superiour just because you will only devour living things that can't scream or fight back I can't agree with you - I think that's hypocritical. Live on air if you want to be morally quaint. What we do to plants is just as disgusting as what we do to animals, but we can't empathize because plants don't have blood, so we think it's OK, which it is, equally with eating animals.
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Mailoreothoriel
Nov 9 2007, 10:43 PM
QUOTE(Tetraca @ Nov 9 2007, 04:28 PM)  We weren't meant to be vegetarians. We're omnivores and there are things in our anatomy, such as our teeth, that tell the story of this. Get the best of both worlds like nature intended rather than one world. Eating plants is great for losing weight, so I can understand temporary vegitarianism for that.
If you think you're morally superiour just because you will only devour living things that can't scream or fight back I can't agree with you - I think that's hypocritical. Live on air if you want to be morally quaint. What we do to plants is just as disgusting as what we do to animals, but we can't empathize because plants don't have blood, so we think it's OK, which it is, equally with eating animals. I totally agree with you dude, plants do feel and are treated even worse than animals... Heed my words: You have to slaughter it before you eat it. That's it, even if it's plant or animal. They're slaughtered and die and suffer before you eat them. =D And I don't feel bad about it because that's how we are made up. We're baddddd and meannn xD (This reply is in a totally friendly attitude and I'm not wanting to insult anyone with my rantings, hope you understand me xD I respect vegetarians because they don't do anything to me, but meat is neat, enough said =D)
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Liam_CF
Nov 9 2007, 11:42 PM
QUOTE(Mailoreothoriel @ Nov 9 2007, 07:23 PM)  I am a meat eater. I really don't like veggies.... I guess it's just the way I am. I always remove all the veggies and the like from anything I eat. Hamburgers and such... I only eat the bread and the patty xD. Strange, isn't it? I don't eat anything that grows from the earth xDDDDD haha
But hey. We are cruel animals, we have capitalism, pop culture, politics and fashion. Eating meat is like running around with safe scissors compared to that things.
HEY! VEGGIES ARE LIVING THINGS TOO!!!! just because they doesn't have brains doesn't means that it's ok to eat them >_<
Hope you understand my ranting xD, I'm not against anyone, this is just the way I see things. You don't like vegetables? Does that mean that you don't eat them. Dude, I seriously reccomend you go and see a doctor or something and learn about the importance of a healthy diet. You're missing out on vital food groups and it's probably effecting your health. Yes, vegetables are living things, but I do not see them as indivuals. If an organism (yes organism, you dirty minded freaks xD) has a brain, then I don't think it's alright to eat it. Extensive scientific studies have proven without a doubt that plants do not have brains, and therefore, they do not have feelings. That way I find it morally acceptable to eat them.
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Liam_CF
Nov 9 2007, 11:48 PM
QUOTE(Mailoreothoriel @ Nov 9 2007, 10:43 PM)  I totally agree with you dude, plants do feel and are treated even worse than animals... Heed my words: You have to slaughter it before you eat it. That's it, even if it's plant or animal. They're slaughtered and die and suffer before you eat them.
=D And I don't feel bad about it because that's how we are made up. We're baddddd and meannn xD
(This reply is in a totally friendly attitude and I'm not wanting to insult anyone with my rantings, hope you understand me xD I respect vegetarians because they don't do anything to me, but meat is neat, enough said =D) That was obviously a joke. Let's reply seriously nontheless. As I said before, I don't agree that plants have feelings. I also don't believe that they are treated worse than animals. Most people do not know all of the things that their food has been through to reach their bellies hot and steaming. Chickens are forced to live in the most cramped conditions, live in their own *BLEEP* and eat practically nothing. As soon as they are born their beaks are cut off, without any kind of anesthetic, to stop them pecking each other. Imaging having your nose cut off. This is not fair. Then they are forcefully grown. Some chicken's bodies grow so big that their legs cannot support their weight and just break under the pressure. Then they are forced onto a conveyor belt, where a rotating blade is SUPPOSED to cut their throught. Unfortunatley, it misses every seventh or eighth bird. You may think avoiding having your throught slit is a lucky break, but instead they are then dunked alive in boiling hot water (to remove the feathers). This is really not fair. I think I'm talking about KFC here, but I can't remember.
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