salamangkero
Jan 11 2007, 05:49 PM
QUOTE Oh, where will the hurting stop?!? Seriously some people here have some form of persecution complex. "You're dissing me 'coz I'm black?" "You oppose me 'coz I'm vegetarian?" "You criticize me 'coz I'm gay?" "You keep on pulling me down 'coz your boyfriend turned out to be gay and slept with me after breaking up with you and your fat @$$?!?" Oh, I'm not gonna use the last one yet  Seriously, I thought this was a thread where one can openly discuss their ideas, not enforce them on other people. Also, if you're having a rotten day, might I offer you a link to this thread by detportal; I'm sure the two of you have a lot of wonderfully rotten things in common. You might also find other similar topics more appropriate for your mood in the forum vent. I, on the other hand, am having a jolly day so I'm gonna enthusiastically go over your replies while I was gone. 1. I'm going to leave you to your own demise, have a good day and keep up the quality posting!  -I won't ask you to rescue me from what you think is my doom. Although I was disappointed to find out that my tact reply has been responded to with mild hostility. I do appreciate the smiley, though. 2. PS: I will not post again in this thread so please don't reply to my posts - thank you. -Yes, we can see the veracity (sic) of that statement now, don't we? 3. Sorry, I was having a bad day. I can take all the criticism in the world but I prefer not to talk back... -Oh? Indeed?  4. ...because the ones criticizing are firmly set in their beliefs and are not prepared to learn other people's way of living. -Au contraire, the reason I initially went into this thread was to find out why some people adopt vegan diets. Might I add that I would so love to meet a different vegetarian because, so far, someone hasn't been too helpful, cooperative or, least of all, civil. 5. They do it the way they know and that's it. -I eat meat but am I telling you to eat chicken? Do you hear me saying, "It's your demise/death/doom if you don't eat a cow, err, beef"? 6. I don't think that will ever happen in my life-time but would be a miracle if it did. -Wait, weren't you the guy who was saying something about firm-set beliefs, closed-mindedness and not preparing to learn other people's way of living? I might be mistake but I do think it was you  7. It's ok, you can all criticise me as much as you like, take out all your anger. -It's not anger, dearie (I speak for myself. How about you, mbacarra?  ). It's sane and rational thinking accompanied by logic, but if it makes you feel any better, it is anger then 8. Feel free to critisice me to earn those great hosting credits! -Ah, yes. I love this part. You will see, though, that I have quoted my post, just so you know I'm not earning any credits from mincing your words. I do agree, those hosting credits are great, though (For the mods, please don't remove the quote tags, I'm quoting my evil alter-ego) 9. It's ok because I don't have time for this junk and this thread - goodbye. -There goes the vegetarian cause. Now we stoopid meet-eaters will never learn about the reason why people adopt vegan diets. Ah, what the hell am I talking about, he'll probably return  Now, to business (which implies a post that is, at the very least, relevant to the thread and not a confrontation to another poster's response) might anyone else (expect for some people we know) tell me why people adopt vegan diets? I am aware of animal-rights and all similar reasons but don't plants also feel "pain"? Just a thought
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Sprnknwn
Jan 11 2007, 06:38 PM
Well, Iīm not vegan but I have vegan friends. And I donīt know if Iīm the most indicated to talk about this (not vegan and not english-speaker so I hope nothing is misunderstood) but I feel that this is "everybody against juice". I mean itīs like sometimes meat-eating people (like me) seem to be offended whenever someone talks about not eating meat and animal rights. I suppose we feel some kind of blame deep inside our minds although we deny it and we adopt a defensive posture about it. Anyway I donīt like the way some vegans try to judge people who eat meat. They always talk about ethics. There are also vegetarian people who go on that diet just because they think itīs healthier, but not much vegans have his diets on health terms, but moral. That question (why not animals and vegetables yes) I have ask myself but I think the answer is clear. Yes, we know that plants are also a life form, but itīs undeniable that animals are at a level more similar than humans. They move, they suffer and express it, they have instincts... you know, when a man have an accident or suffer an illness that made him totally invalid we tend to say that he's in vegetative state... and not in a animal state or whatever. I think that illustrates very well how plants donīt have the same vitality of humans and animals. One thing that a vegan friend of mine always remarks itīs that they're not ecologists or animal lovers, they do it because feel that animals deserve respect and so theyīre against all kind of mistreat. Then they can even hate animals but respect them, I guess the same way that I respect human people that I like and some other that I donīt.
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Misanthrope
Jan 12 2007, 02:38 AM
QUOTE(salamangkero @ Jan 10 2007, 08:44 AM)  Oookay, first off, those "stupid doctors" didn't get the title "Doctor" for being stupid. If anything, I think the title is indicative of the opposite. Also, if you really read the original post, you'd find that some vegetarian diets bring about, not lack of protein, but lack of cobalamin, or Vitamin B12. The complexities of vegetarian diets do not end with protein. Also, the strength of a creatures relies not on its size. Just because an elephant is large does not mean it necessarily is strong. Look at ants. They can lift up to 50 times their own weight! They also eat meat, btw Another thing, just because you are healthy now does not mean it will stay that way forever. It may take months or even years before the effects of a new diet begins to manifest themselves. Lastly, there is no point in comparing humans to cows and elephants when it comes to diet. For one, cows and elephants are completely capable of digesting cellulose, which is why they need not eat meat. We, humans, on the other hand, can only get starch and vitamins from most plant matter that we do need to eat meat to get our protein somewhere. My understanding is that medical doctors are required to take little or no coursework in nutrition, so on that level, yes, they can be quite ignorant. I've been vegetarian since I was 8, and can vouch from my own experience that this lifestyle is a very healthy one. I can remember being the only kid in grade school who didn't get the flu. I sort of felt left out, actually - like I was missing out on something. Now I'm thankful my mother had the good sense to keep meat out of my diet!
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JasperIk
Jan 12 2007, 04:01 AM
The problem with many people who eat meat, is that is their 'main food' on their plate, having a HUGE peice of meat, and a small pile of vegetables is NOT healthy. You don't need as much meat as people think you do, the ammount of each food on someones plate usually is wrong, and people act as if you can't have a meal without a piece of meat, but you CAN. The original post wasn't saying you need to eat a whole cow and a bunch of chickens per day to get what you need, i am sure a small peice of meat per day would do the job, your body doesn't need as much meat as people consume they probably need more vegetables and fruits instead. The way i look at it, is if you have to cook the meat you don't need it...sure people supposedly have 'canine' teeth but compare them to animals and you'd see your teeth aren't nearly as equipped. I also think because so many people eat so much meat they are getting too much of one kind of vitamin and not enough else where, but any way back to the original post we all know we need vitamins, and i think its smart to take vitamin pills because we cant always eat all the foods 'doctors' recommend, for example i cannot eat meat ignoring my beliefs about eatting meat, it makes me litterly sick...so i have to get some vitamins elsewhere.
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master_bacarra
Jan 12 2007, 11:02 AM
QUOTE(Sprnknwn @ Jan 12 2007, 02:38 AM)
but I feel that this is "everybody against juice".
actually he asked for it. salamangkero wasn't against his beliefs. he was just merely giving out some information that lacked in juice's statement. and with juice acting like such, it felt like he didn't understood the idea quite well and just labeled salamangkero as "close-minded". QUOTE(JasperIk @ Jan 12 2007, 12:01 PM)
sure people supposedly have 'canine' teeth but compare them to animals and you'd see your teeth aren't nearly as equipped.
you have a point here. humans have evolved from a lower being to a higher one and as that happens, the body processes change to make the human "adopt" to their environment. if you believe in evolution like i do (i don't want to argue with religious people, so please...), the ancestor of man had tails at first. but as time passed the tail wasn't of any use and as the evolutionary process continues, the tail shrinks to a tailbone which makes what a human looks like right now. the point of this one is that the canine teeth's function is for tearing (maybe meat, or maybe veggies) food. the shapes of our teeth have some relevance and it's a matter of what has evolution done to change a human. anyway, i'm making this out of topic already so i need to zip my mouth
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salamangkero
Jan 12 2007, 04:54 PM
QUOTE(JasperIk @ Jan 12 2007, 12:01 PM) The problem with many people who eat meat, is that is their 'main food' on their plate, having a HUGE peice of meat, and a small pile of vegetables is NOT healthy. True, true. Not to mention that being continually assaulted by the odor of meat can sometimes make you feel nauseous. QUOTE(JasperIk @ Jan 12 2007, 12:01 PM) The way i look at it, is if you have to cook the meat you don't need it...sure people supposedly have 'canine' teeth but compare them to animals and you'd see your teeth aren't nearly as equipped. I'd have to disagree with this one, respectfully, of course. And tactful as well. Not cooking meat is very dangerous 'coz a lot of dangerous pathogens can reside even in a single slab of well-washed meat. I would also like to point out that, comparing ourselves to herbivores, we can also see our teeth are not as well-suited for grazing. The way I see it, we probably have evolved to eat both. After all, a creature that has a varied food source can more easily adapt to food-related events like famine, animal and plant diseases, crop failure and, sometimes, crop circles No, strike that last one out. Sometimes, though, I regret that we have lost the ability to digest cellulose because of evolution. Heck, I still wish we humans can photosynthesize! Imagine the advantage of a photosynthetic, sentient being capable of locomotion and digesting plants, animals, everything!
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Yratorm, LightMage
Jan 13 2007, 10:39 PM
QUOTE(salamangkero @ Jan 10 2007, 04:44 PM) Oookay, first off, those "stupid doctors" didn't get the title "Doctor" for being stupid. If anything, I think the title is indicative of the opposite. Also, if you really read the original post, you'd find that some vegetarian diets bring about, not lack of protein, but lack of cobalamin, or Vitamin B12. The complexities of vegetarian diets do not end with protein. Also, the strength of a creatures relies not on its size. Just because an elephant is large does not mean it necessarily is strong. Look at ants. They can lift up to 50 times their own weight! They also eat meat, btw Another thing, just because you are healthy now does not mean it will stay that way forever. It may take months or even years before the effects of a new diet begins to manifest themselves. Lastly, there is no point in comparing humans to cows and elephants when it comes to diet. For one, cows and elephants are completely capable of digesting cellulose, which is why they need not eat meat. We, humans, on the other hand, can only get starch and vitamins from most plant matter that we do need to eat meat to get our protein somewhere. salamangkero, this is one of the most sensible, informative and to the point posts that I have ever seen. That's just my personal opinion, of course. You have a fine intellect. Great stuff, keep it up. I know I usually write a lot more than this, but this time salamangkero has beat me to it Just one point, about cooking meat - I keep cats and live in a 'primitive' place where cat-food isn't easily available. So I have to feed them meat. And I cook even the meat I give my cats (carnivores, mind you), after one of my cats killed an animal and ate it raw and then died of food poisoning (yes, I know, poetic justice, but at the time I couldn't appreciate it). My point - cooked meat is safer even for carnivores, it's just that they haven't quite mastered fire.
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me_boxer_dude
Jan 26 2007, 11:48 AM
I have seen vast difference of opinions in this forum in some other topics when it comes to 'Diet prefrences' however I think that we being humans have evolved in such a way that we can utilise almost anything as food(how efficiently our body utilises these food resources is a different topic altogether). Having said that I believe that we should eat what we feel like, and whatever it is(veg or otherwise) it should just NOT lack any vital nutrient. I agree that killing animals just to eat em is wrong somehow and its not just the suppresed guilt resurfacing, its something I have believed in all the time. I am on a meat diet more often than not coz its just the way it has been always for me. Finally I would like to say that if you wanna go for a Veg diet then just go right ahead but make sure that you DON'T miss anything, moreover a regular meat diet coupled with fruits and vegetables should make the best ever deal.
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Misanthrope
Mar 3 2007, 06:12 AM
I recently posted a similar topic here in the "Health and Fitness" forum, and all I can say is, pity the poor soul who dares start a topic on the subject of veganism or vegetarianism. Especially in the health and fitness section - oh the irony. That is why I think it would be a good idea to put health in it's own section separate from Fitness, because folks interested in the later aren't necessarily interested in lifestyles that have spiritual underpinnings. The same goes for meditation and philosophy. They really need to be in a forum separate from Fitness. Although spirituality is obviously inter-related to all aspects of life, including fitness, for forum purposes it would be better served in it's own section where it would attract intelligent posts from folks who already have an interest in the topic, as opposed to, say, body builders who may not provide quality responses to such material. You might just as well put religion under the "gaming" forum, for that matter. But back to this thread and others like it, it appears the very mention of the words, "vegan" or "vegetarian" seem to send the unenlightened into a defensive, unabashed tizzy. I've noticed specific "code" words used at this forum to flame individuals who choose different lifestyles, but the folks who use such terminology to limit the free speech and rights of others are perhaps the most intolerant of all. As much as you may disagree with "Juice," you have no right to squelch his opinion because it may offend your limited sensibilities or challenge your subjective biases. This IS a forum on Health and Fitness, is it not? Why then, can't people start threads on perfectly viable, healthy lifestyle choices without some of you reacting in an immature and needlessly defensive manner? There are few things that disturb me more than witnessing the "herd" gang up on one individual who happens to hold a different viewpoint from the willfully ignorant masses. This is bully-like behavior that should not be tolerated in a forum that values individual freedom of thought. The Internet remains one of the last bastions of free speech, and I for one would like to see it stay that way.
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Yratorm, LightMage
Mar 17 2007, 01:08 AM
Practically speaking all I can say is this - eat what keeps you healthy. If a vegan diet keeps you healthy, thats great. If a meat diet is what you thrive on, by all means go for it. Simply put, what works for one may not work for another. As for spirituality in relation to diet - not everyone believes that it has much significance there. However, in the east we certainly have the concept of eating flesh being 'bad' karma, but then I think that such a topic doesn't, belong in a diet/health section at all but in a section on spirituality, meditations, etc. Lastly, I don't think that any way of life needs to be preached to anyone else - I don't think religions need to be preached, and I don't think a way of life, or a particular culture or even a diet needs to be preached. Live and let live. Do what's best for you, and let others do what's best for them. There's no need to convert anyone to your point of view, no need to argue, and no need to flame anyone just for being different. Peace, and good health, achieved in the way that works for YOU. What more could anyone possibly need??
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