So far, I don't see a single rant within this thread that doesn't look like it's not constructed by a 12 year old. Why don't you just type "Bush is a poop head" 400 times and get the same affect?



He is the person who can declasify documents, genius.



The only polls that count are the elections and guess who won that one in a land slide? Sure, your news polls can look nice and all. Who won, though?



Last time I checked, the leader isn't supposed to dawn a uniform and hunt people down, but whatever, dude.

All in all, Bush won because he actually had standpoints. Kerry had no actual position and people didn't feel like going third party and throwing their vote away. It was either know what you're going to get or have Kerry say we shouldn't be in Iraq, then say we would, then say he'd also keep us in there. Nice on, Johnny.

 

 

 

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Well as we all should know, MEDIA IS VERY POWERFUL these days but very few people are acctually aware of its constant influenece on people. The thing is that it is easy for us to say how american people are stupid and stuff like that, because they voted for bush, but we must know that our media is representing us with a very different situation than american media!

People in america are under constant BUSH-MEDIA supervision and are being pumped with "right" information on daily basis. This is the true problem - people don't know what is really going on because they are metaphorically INSIDE THE BOX and cannot see how things are outside if they are not enough educated. We are looking at them from the outside of the box so we know what is going on...but they cannot do that!

So please stop thinking about "stupid" americans and THINK IF IN YOUR COUNTRY THE SITUATION IS THE SAME and you are inside of a box also...

It is interesting and very refreshing to think in that way and it is important to have this constantly in your mind if you want to be trully aware of what is going on around you...


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Ahem!.... Now, Kioku, you really drank that Kool-Aid up there. Get a spine.

I am pissed. I hate what America is doing. I am ashamed to call myself an American, but I feel that it is my duty to rise up against unjust laws and unjust wars; it is my responsibility as an American to speak my opinion. As Thomas Jefferson typed into his blackberry to William S. Smith Paris in late 1787: I guess that since I am a pacifist (and don't own a gun), I have to appeal to the nature of those friends of mine who are NRA ___(insert adjective here)___'s.

The point I made with respect to Bush saying "If there was a leak out of my administration, I want to know about it" is to prove a point - Bush is a horrible despicible liar of the worst sort. The facts are coming out about this - and it doesn't look good for the administration (look at the 32% approval polls). The fact that they would declassify something for the SOLE PURPOSE of discrediting somebody who was opposed to the war... There was no truth to the administration's claims about uranium - Joe Wilson was not lying. You see - they declassified the identiy of his wife only to keep their case for going to war a stong case (Valerie was asked if her husbad would be able to go to Niger - she didn't recommend).

Talk about a landslide victory. If people weren't so apathetic in this country, he wouldn't have been able to beat the spread. By beating the spread, I mean - how many votes they needed to manufacture to squeak out a win. Isn't it completely ironic that the past two elections were down to less than 1,000 votes in places? Experts agree that the voting results that came back from mostly democratic neighborhoods statistically couldn't have voted for Bush to that degree - considering that exit polls have NEVER been wrong (exit polls indicated that Kerry should win many places by at least 5%). People testified to the fact that they were forced from the building when votes were tabulated (in Ohio 2004).

If they are willing to lie to the American people - and lie to the Senate, and lie to the United Nations -- what in the world would make you think that they wouldn't cheat on an election?

I think that it is a widely accepted fact that politicians lie from time to time - not ALL THE TIME like Bush does. There are multiple investigations going on with respect to the things that this administration has been doing. The end of his reign is near - King George is MAD!

So, long story short - after they stole the Presidency of the USA, they lied about everything .... we went to war because we believed them (in a time of great terror - and faith in our leaders) .... people are dying. This whole cycle makes us more enemies in the future, not less. It is very obvious that the "Iraqi resistance fighters" are not defeated.

He should go back to cheerleading. At least, he was only cheering for a touchdown before. I can't stand when this *BLEEP* cheers for something like killing arabs because they are islamic.

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well, here are the things why I hate Bush:
- he's screwing up the world economy (by making OPEC members pissed = US dollars drop = exchange rate is more expensive)
- he minds other people's business (why would you go into Iraq, even when UN said not to get in, then asks UN to help)
- being voted to his 2nd term to actually crash the world's market. The latest CAD --> USD is $1 CAD = 90 cents American.

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And that right there is the american attitude that everyone in the world HATES. That is what causes many of the problems america is facing. And NO it doesn't work on the playground. You go around beating up everyone who bothers you? You know what happened in the playground? you beating the *BLEEP* out of a bully doesn't make him stop. he will just find different ways to get back at you. Also, I didn't really want to say it but, America is the bully... they have "smashed in people's face" so often that people are responding by "smashing in america's face". many people think america DESERVED 9/11 and these people aren't the terrorists. I hate to break it to you but America is the most hated country in the world, they are regarded as the world's bully. Even america's friends hate them now... ie. canada, britian, and other "friend" nations.



What you and your ilk don't understand is that you can protect yourself without "smashing someone's face in". Why do you believe fighting back "to an extreme" is necessary? With that attitude you are NO BETTER than the terrorist. Terrorists fight using extreme methods and you are willing to do the same. How do you expect terrorists to stop when you are taking this stance?



that much is obvious. Do you know what happened in palestine and israel? Israel agreed to stop being the bad *arse* bully and "shashing palastine's face in". The result was LESS violence... When Israel kept bull dozing palestine homes, guess what happened? MORE violence... go figure... Takeing a LESS extreme stance actually produces LESS violence... how would have thought?



Yes, that's the problem with americans (yes... not ALL americans, just those who agree with bush)... they have such extreme attitudes that many would (and do) consider them extremists.

And Yes... who gives a *BLEEP* about all those innocent people who are dead because the US needs to get the word out. Let the world know that the US means business... If we don't like you, we will kick your *arse*.

Next, you think the US is the only one who has suffered from terrorist attacks? The US has hardly ever been hit by terrorism. Have you heard of the IRA? They have been bombing england for a long time. And guess what? England stopped trying to bully the IRA and violence DECREASED!! Second, because the US just had to get the word out, this has had a cascading effect on the REST OF THE WORLD. The US is not the only country in the world and their actions are not isolated to their own country. Actions by the US affect the ENTIRE WORLD. That attitude makes me sick. You make the world a CRAPPY place. You just show that you don't give a *BLEEP* about the rest of the world... And that is exactly why those terrorists HATE you.

And "so be it"?? Ya let's attack those countries cause they weren't on the "up and up" anyway. Who are you to judge? Do you understand that the rest of the world does not see things the same way as you do?



You think all those changes makes flying any safer than it was? All those "changes" were to ease the fears of the masses. It was bush saying "look! I did something". Any real security analyst will tell you, all that stuff they did doesn't help. Terrorists don't need planes to blow stuff up. I hate to break it to you, terrorists are already living in the US. Have you heard of sleepers? There are tons of places where they could kill tons of people. I know someone who went to the lincoln monument in washington and there were thousands of people with NO security.

You know what has changed after 9/11? nothing. What's changed is that americans are living in fear and they grasp at anything to ease their fears. If I were al queda, i would laugh myself to sleep everynight.
"Look at these morons, taping their homes up to prevent biological weapons from killing them... oops, i guess they forgot that they need air to live too... stupid americans!"

In summary...
Your attitude and your actions only make terrorism WORSE. Do you think you can SCARE them into stopping what they are doing? They kill themselves just to hurt you. I doubt you can scare them. And, do you think you can kill all of them? Well, you can't. It is impossible. How many years has it been since 9/11? They can't even catch bin laden let alone kill all terrorists... lol... how do you kill an idea? If you can tell me how to kill an idea, then I agree that you should go to war and kill all those terrorists.

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I have held off replying to this post for a couple of reasons, but now is the time to post my reply.
Impeachment is an available option, however, similar to other times in the recent past (Nixon/Vietnam Period comes to mind) the timing of the Impeachment process is terrible. The process will do more damage than usual because the United States are simply in too much turmoil at present. The Oil Crisis, the Iraqi war, Afghanistan, and the precarious state of the World economy are too delicate right now and to add the Impeachment process to the mix will not make the US position any better. Better to deal with the Devil you know and show a position of solidarity towards him in public than to have to deal with the unsettling Impeachment process... IMHO.
As to the bullying nature of the US throughout the World, I agree. There has been a great influence of "Americanism" in this last century and the US is now the dominant influence. Other countries have been in similar positions before, (USSR in the Eastern Bloc, Great Britain historically) and look where they are today. The USSR has disbanded itself, and Great Britain is not the influence it once was. The lesson here is that given enough time the US will also wither in its dominant position. What will replace it? I don't know for sure, but there is hope that it would be something more "universal". Ideally, a New World Order??? A government of the world??? The United Nations???
There are many faces to the US position. Here in Canada there is as great an influence by the US culture as anywhere else in the World. Something like 80% of our population lives within 100 miles of the border with them and the little influences like the presence of their television signals in our airways has a great impact on our culture, but no influence is as strong as the economic stranglehold on our Economy. And we are "friends". They buy our water, our wood (Softwood Lumber issue aside for now, please. That is another rant.), our mined resources, our food output (grains, corn, etc) and we have allowed them to "own" our manufacturing processes to the maximum extent that they want to. In return, we purchase stuff back from them and give the US Corporations bundles of money as Corporate profits. So, are we any better off than the Iraqi's? Not in my opinion. Only difference is that we let them and there is a noticeable lack of guns involved.
And to all the Americans reading this, please don't take this personal. I am not blasting Americans as individuals, just stating an opinion that the United States as a culture and as an economic force is in an advantageous position and are reaping the benefits, as most other countries would do under similar circumstances (refer to USSR and GB info above). Maybe it is time to recognize that the economic issues are what the rest of the World sees most readily. The results are the conflicts it creates. US dependence on foreign oil is not neccisarily best resolved by invading Iraq, or any other country. The Image of the US is as the playground bully described above.
Right or wrong, that is the perception. And perceptions are held to be facts until some other influence alters it. If the US was to spend as much on feeding the world as it does on its Military machine, the world would be a better place.
And we, as citizens of the World, should remedy the flaws in the system.

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Wars are needed with how the world works, hippy. Should we just let Iran get the bomb and everything will work out? As I've stated earlier, this isn't Gum drop lolipop fun land. War happens. People die, get over it. If you can't accept that death will occur and everyone you know will die, why were you born?

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Bush is just a puppet. REALLY research 9-11 and you will probably at least agree that if our government didn't start it they surely knew about it and did nothing to stop it. as far as iraq goes yes we were lied to and so was bush , keep in mind the documents released to the public by our "intelligence" stated that iraq had chemical and biological weapons. whether or not they did I feel doesn't matter. saddam is a worthless piece of garbage and needed to be removed. heres a true analogy.
when I was in 2nd grade their where a few older kids that would pick on me and my friends, beat us up steal our stuff, etc... we knew couldn't tell on em but I told my brother who is 4 years older than me 2 years older than these other kids. he basically told me to deal w/ it fight back and see what happens. after several days of black eyes and bloody noses my brother realized I was doing nothing but getting my butt kicked he stepped in kicked the crap outta 2 of them and they never touched me again.

I think ,for whatever the reason we're there, saddam was the bully the iraqi people where the targets and the USA had to play big brother because no one else would.

our government NOT JUST BUSH (you really think he's that smart?) has installed the most unpatriotic act ever and disquised it as the patriot act.

and to the guy who complained about airport security.. go ahead and give up your rights but stop offering mine too.

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Hippy? So this is how it still works, anyone who is for peace, a pacifist if you will, is a hippy, and everyone who is for violence is a god given addition to Earth?

Which nation was the only one that used the nuclear device, or should I say, weapon of mass destruction? United States! And they used it twice! And US still has nuclear program... Who gives them the right to do so? Who give US the right, to police the whole world? US is being hated more and more, throughout the world, and it's people like you Kioku, that only add oil to fire... Why aren't you in Iraq? Why aren't you defending yourself? You are just like ton's of people in my own country, that protect Kosovo, from a 200 hundred kilometers distance, but when they had to chance to actualy go, they chickened out... If you want to defend and protect something, go do it, don't just talk about it...

America IS the world bully, and I think the United Nations should take some action, because, if US doesn't have to follow the rules everyone else does, others will follow their example... So far, the existence of the United Nations is pointless, and are setting double standards, showing how United States can do whatever they want, and go around the United Nations and United Nations Security Council, while they demand the rest of the world, to listen to what the United Nations say...

I also agree on the point, that we should try and put ourselves in common American citizens shoes, and try and see things their way... They do live IN the box, and can't see past what their own government is showing them, and letting them see... I start from my own country, where about 70% of the population, can't see past what our government is serving us... Only those of us who use Internet every day, can see things from outside the box, and form a normal oppinion about things... I don't blame the American people in general, just those who think US has to play big brother to the whole world... Actualy, they play big brother only to those countries, that have something US can use for it's own purposes, be it land, oil, or other natural resources... Every country has extremists, same here, same in US, Canada, or any other country... But every normal, rational thinking person knows, that violence only brings more violence, which in turn brings more violence, and round it goes...

If indeed US would take all their money dedicated to wars and killing people, and used it to feed hungry, a world would indeed be a very brighter and better place...

Just try to mind other peoples business less, and clean up your own yard first... It's simple as that...

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