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TIME VIEWING THEORY Time Viewing I THINK ITS POSSIBLE AND HERE IS MY THEORY.  EVERYTHING IS A MATTER OF CAUSE AND EFFECT.  FOR INSTANCE IF WE WERE TO TAKE A 3D PHOTO OF A WAVE CRASHING.  ONCE WE HAVE THE PHOTO WE WOULD HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR EVERY ATOM AND EVEN ELECTRON. IF YOU HAVE THAT FREEZE FRAME OF ALL THE MATTER YOU JUST LABEL EACH ATOM AND ELECTRON WITH WHAT DIRECTION ITS MOVING AND HOW MUCH ENERGY IS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT MOVE MENT.  ONCE EVERYTH...
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Matrixdudej
Einstein once proved time travel impossible but never said anything about time viewing i bielive so i posted this to see if anyone has opinions i can feed off of about either
a)do you think time viewing will ever be possible and if so your theory
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b)do you not agree with Einstein and think time travel wil one day be possible and if so your theory

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BooZker
What do you mean time viewing? Do you mean seeing them like we can see sound waves or such?

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Matrixdudej
i mean seeing into time like past or future

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Plenoptic
Well Albert Einstein can be wrong, Aristotle was wrong and even people today are proved wrong. I am not gonna rule out either time travel or viewing. Maybe not in our time but maybe in future generations. But you know it still could be sort of hard to go back in time, I am not sure how in the world you'd be able to do that. It could take years and years of research. Plus if you go back in time you might not come back so maybe not. As for viewing, I sort of doubt it because that'd mean you'd have to go back in time to view it. Plus how would you view it? Unless they can find memories in your brain that you don't actually remember but is like in the recycle bin or you don't think about normally. But other than that, you have video cameras.

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rvalkass
The problem with time travel is the time travel paradox. Time travel relies on every millisecond of existence being constantly replayed in a time dimension, which we could then move to and run through the points making time appear to pass. Well, if you go back in time and kill one of your ancestors and break the chain of events leading to your own birth then it would not be possible for you to go back in time and kill them (as you would never have existed) which would cause your ancestors to survive and carry on as normal, leading to your birth and therefore the murder... ad infinitum.

Attempts have been made to explain this, such as stating that you can't change the past or future. This also then implies that we all have no effect or influence on the world at all and all our actions are predetermined. Hence, this destroys theories of free will. It also implicates that if we do develop time travel, that would have been predetermined, along with anyone travelling backwards and forwards through time. Therefore we would already have records of time travel before it existed, plus the same people would keep popping up throughout history for hundreds or thousands of years.

Viewing is not so difficult as we can already make records with video cameras, photos, etc. as Plenoptic said. Viewing into the future would be a little more difficult depending on your perceptions of time as linear, circular, pre determined, random... Until we know exactly what time is and how to explain it, it makes it very difficult to say whether it would be possible.

 

 

 


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BooZker
Well this is highly doubtful in this time, but you never know.
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Attempts have been made to explain this, such as stating that you can't change the past or future. This also then implies that we all have no effect or influence on the world at all and all our actions are predetermined. Hence, this destroys theories of free will. It also implicates that if we do develop time travel, that would have been predetermined, along with anyone travelling backwards and forwards through time. Therefore we would already have records of time travel before it existed, plus the same people would keep popping up throughout history for hundreds or thousands of years.


This is an excellent explanation! I never thought about it, but yes We would already know because of how you explained it. Where to you read about this?

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electriic ink
If you did manage to see millions of years in the future, it would be extremely hard for you to understand the need of what they have. Imagine taking a stone-age person into the 21st century and trying to explain the internet to him. Impossible. The same would apply for you travelling into the depths of the future, not to mention the language barrier. These are a few lines from a 13th century poem:

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Lhouth after calve cu,
Bulluc stereth, bucke vereth



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The problem with time travel is the time travel paradox. Time travel relies on every millisecond of existence being constantly replayed in a time dimension, which we could then move to and run through the points making time appear to pass. Well, if you go back in time and kill one of your ancestors and break the chain of events leading to your own birth then it would not be possible for you to go back in time and kill them (as you would never have existed) which would cause your ancestors to survive and carry on as normal, leading to your birth and therefore the murder... ad infinitum.


I never though about it like that! Such a logical way to disprove time travel!

Time viewing must be possible. Someone could be watching you right now. We developed so many new inventions in the last two hundred years, thousands of years from now time viewing will be invented.

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salamangkero
I'm pretty sure we won't be having controlled time travel anytime soon. As for time viewing, I'd like to invoke my right to paranormal belief. It might be possible that premonitions and precognitive dreams are one way to achieve time viewing without necessarily "going" to another time. I'm not sure how this can be done voluntarily, though.

The RPG game Final Fantasy 8, however, did come up with an idea for "Ellone Machine", a mechanism that sends its user's consciousness back into a past person's mind, only, there is still a limit how far back a user can go.

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day_armstrong
As far as I know, the Einstein theory about time is about relativity (time delation). That is, if you travel with near-the -speed of light, you will experience slower time than others will outside your system/frame (your spaceship or whatsoever). It's just when you go back, everything has changed, faster than you changed. For example, if I go away from earth with speed near the speed of light, then go back, perhaps I only feel a short time of journey, but in the earth time has passed so much more than I feel.

IMO, no one will invent such a time travel or time viewing machine. The thing that is possible is that you go to the future but never come back again to the present time. Then, you will live in future of course. For time viewing, perhaps you can send something to observe the future, but how to send the message back? I don't know whether electromagnetic wave experience some sort of time travelling.

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Well, if you go back in time and kill one of your ancestors and break the chain of events leading to your own birth then it would not be possible for you to go back in time and kill them (as you would never have existed) which would cause your ancestors to survive and carry on as normal, leading to your birth and therefore the murder... ad infinitum

This paradox explained by rvalkass should logically prove that time travel to the past is not possible. If it is possible, then you can go beyond the power of God. You can always go back to change whatever God has decided for you.

my opinion. smile.gif

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matak
Time travel is not only possible but it has already been made. But the only thing is that to prove that time travel is possible you would have to travel through time, and then get back to the time you came from. Now when you prove you have traveled the time you need to bring some kind of evidence of that, some thing from "past" or even "future".

Let's put aside those things that could affect your egzistence in future, and just give us a mission as time traveler to bring simple evidence of our time travel, let's say a calender from Thailand which we have to bring back to our time.

The basic fizics that humans understand at this time is combination of speed and mass, and basically our whole universe is made on combination of these factors. Sun has huge mass that attracts our planet which then is cought in it's gravity and starts circular motion around it. Our planet also has mass that resists sun's mass, and there for it circles around it self beacouse it has not enough mass to brake suns gravity.

Beacouse of those two combinations we have "time" which we are used to. No matter how hard we try we can't stop Earth circling around sun and it self and there for we are used to 24 hours time period which we live by. That is "time" as we see it.

Now let's say that time traveler from some other "dimension" comes to earth to collect that evidence like calender from Thai, he takes it and goes back to it's time. But he took some mass from our dimension (i won't even say that his time device brought mass back to our planet and induced new time dimension imediatly, but as he brought that mass back with him our planet again started new time dimension beacouse it is lighter for that calender.

Wow, someone can say, how can a mass of less than 1 pound affect all of that. Well it does. Even a mistake of 0.00000001 mass can affect serious sh**in time dimensions.

Now, someone here wrote about time machine that brings us back to time in our mind. That is the thing i'm thinking about to, beacouse we couldn't make time travel important beacouse time it self isn't important. More important thing is the FACTS from the time we are intrested in. Maybe if somebody felt that Hitler would be in 1939 and start that war it could "infect" his psyche with other ideas that maybe would lead to different solutions at that time. But than again we wouldn't know of the result of such a proposed solution.

to matrixdudej

that term that you mention "Time Viewing" is something i myself have been wandering about in last few weeks. I belive that time viewing is small evolution step that some of us maybe posses, beacouse of all other factors that one can have influence of. Like polution, war, and similar crazy thing that are done at this time, but are totaly meaning less. Maybe a child will be born, or even better two childs or more who will have the enormous abillity to control time, and to "see" the future. Maybe "Time Viewing" is just a side effect for now, until they are born.

even more complicated thing is that probably even someone with that ability to control time will have enemies who will fight the other timeline.

But those are just science fiction. Even dealing with simple problems of this "mass" life of ours provides us more problems ever, and imagion that we could have the time factor to. That would be i think more of a problem then a blessing unsure.gif

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iGuest
TIME VIEWING THEORY
Time Viewing

I THINK ITS POSSIBLE AND HERE IS MY THEORY.  EVERYTHING IS A MATTER OF CAUSE AND EFFECT.  FOR INSTANCE IF WE WERE TO TAKE A 3D PHOTO OF A WAVE CRASHING.  ONCE WE HAVE THE PHOTO WE WOULD HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR EVERY ATOM AND EVEN ELECTRON. IF YOU HAVE THAT FREEZE FRAME OF ALL THE MATTER YOU JUST LABEL EACH ATOM AND ELECTRON WITH WHAT DIRECTION ITS MOVING AND HOW MUCH ENERGY IS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT MOVE MENT.  ONCE EVERYTHING IS ACCOUNTED FOR YOU COULD JUST RUN THE SIMULATION FORWARD OR BACKWARD AND SEE HOW THE WAVE WILL CRASH OR HOW THE WAVE WAS STIRRED UP.  TIME VIEWING WOULD BE POSSIBLE IF WE COULD GET THE SAME SNAP SHOT OF THE UNIVERSE AT ANY GIVEN TIME, LABEL ALL THE BITS OF MATTER WITH DIRECTION AND AMOUNT OF ENERGY THEN WE COULD SIMPLY RUN IT FORWARD OR BACKWARD AND SEE WHAT THE UNIVERSE OR EARTH OR ANYWHERE WAS AT ANY POINT IN TIME WE LIKE. 

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iGuest
Replying to BooZker The future has already existed in many other dimensions. And messages are sent back to us, in many different ways, And yes the future our futre can always be changed -reply by Robert


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iGuest
Time viewing--past only, using technology
Time Viewing

To anyone who reads this: I'm a reasonably intelligent individual who never had much interest in the math or science fields (more of a right-brained guy, I guess). Still, in recent years (maybe as a result of getting older), I've taken an interest in the potential reality of time viewing, and have come up with some hypotheses. Just bear in mind that I'm a layman, and don't worry about telling me all of the reasons my theories wouldn't work. This is more for the curious sort who stumbles across this post and has a mutual interest in the subject. Here goes. On the surface, it can be readily agreed that time viewing does exist, in a manner of speaking. For the past, not the future (since the future hasn't happened; it can be calculated to a tiny degree, but not actually witnessed--until it happens). If I were to ask you what Charlie Chaplin looks like, you could give me a brief description (hat, cane, mustache, baggy pants, etc), if for no other reason than the technology exists to have immortalized that image for you. Since he died in the 1970's (in France, I think), it's reasonable to assume that no one reading this post ever met him, and even if they did, it wouldn't be the "Little Tramp" image preserved from the silent era with which we're all familiar. I say that to say this: the technology to preserve Chaplin's image from nearly a century ago was always there, as was the image itself; it had only to be discovered and used. Now, stay with me here. In my hobbyist reading and research, I came across an anecdote about an inventor named John Logie Baird who, among other achievements (look him up), tinkered with night-vision photography, a version of which, some years later, was found to be able to take pictures of things that weren't there anymore. I'll say that again: the camera took pictures of things that were no longer there. Here is an online copy of the book (some of it) in which I read this story: Http://books.Google.Com/books?id=9NedOIaGR8kC&pg=PA72&lpg=PA72&dq=eglin+noctovision&source=bl&ots=g0kRlad153&sig=v8G_CIvfxTbrOxrLudbWkhUKg9I The book is called "Breaking the Time Barrier" by Jenny Randles. I haven't been able to find any more details about the accidental experiment at Eglin AFB, but I wish I could, because it absolutely blows my mind. When I read that the incident took place in the 1950's, I wondered how it was that the technology wasn't immediately pursued and developed to aid in crime-solving and similar applications (a la "Minority Report" only using this technology instead of psychics). For all I know, the "gubmint" did pursue it, and they are hoarding the device in an underground bunker in Virginia somewhere. But I digress. I started thinking about the concept of photographing or otherwise viewing an object or event based on the signature, reflection or what-have-you. I started wondering if it would be possible to build a mirror that worked on a time delay. I know that some exist, and that they are basically video cameras with delayed monitors. They are novelties: arthouse exhibits. I'm talking about figuring out a way to bend the lens just so...Making it so that it somehow traps the light, slows it down, makes the reflection appear a second or two (or ten) after the image is cast upon it. If it were possible to manipulate glass, refracted lenses, lasers, etc, etc (again, I'm not a tech guy) so that the light reflecting the image slowed down enough, it would literally be a window into the past. And, the more bent or refracted or what-have-you the lens was, the further back in time the image would go. Now, one immediate hiccup comes to mind: if you could construct such a device, it would only reflect things that happened since its construction. If you built it on 2/14/10, you couldn't adjust it to play the events of 2/14/09. However, events are reflected in many different sources: water in a nearby lake, shiny metal or glass nearby, maybe even volcanic rock in a mountain, or the very water molecules in the air. The light from the stars in the sky we see is thousands or millions of years old. If aliens had a powerful enough scope, they could see what what was happening on a given point on our planet right now, or ten years ago, or fifteen years, eight months, five days, six minutes, etc. So, in order for us to view such reflections of our planet from our planet, we would have to a) place a mirror a couple of zillion miles away, or b) build the right kind of viewing device, based on the notion that whatever event took place bounced off of nearby spoon, then into space, hit the moon like a big pizza pie, yadda yadda. If I were better at science I think I could explain this better (or at least see the flaws in it). Like I said, I'm not particularly interested in hearing why it wouldn't work, especially since the internet is notorious for attracting smug, cruel know-it-alls who can't wait to tell somebody else they're an idiot. Just enjoy the theory; maybe you can figure out a way to make it work. -reply by Jim Kirk


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iGuest

time viewing might be possible if you believe in the theory of a multiverse.(over laping time lines)or the same univers expanding and contracting, multiple times,(experincing the same time line several times over 

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iGuest
Time Viewing
Time Viewing

Time viewing is not possible as we know the laws of physics to be. Theoretically, if you can account for every single particle in the entire universe, and accurately map both where it is, and where it's going, you could 'predict' the future. The problem is, the more that you define where a particle is, or vice versa, the more undefined it's projectory becomes.

-reply by William Martin PH.D

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