Spen
Jan 25 2006, 04:08 AM
| | Well what I want to know is: Will doing a manual shut down hurt your computer? Manual shut down as in not going to (This is on Windows XP) start menu,turn off your computer, and hit turn off. Some people I have talked to say it hurts your computer when you do a manual shut down.
Does doing a manual shut down hurt your computer? |
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xJedix
Jan 25 2006, 04:47 AM
In my experience, it has never physically hurt my computer by manually turning off my computer. The only thing you have to be concerned about is what type of programs are running at the time your shutting it down. If you do a force shutdown via holding the power button down, programs that are running won't save any current data that they have. So lets say your running something that keeps logs and only saves the logs when the program is terminated. When you do a force shutdown, those logs won't be saved. I'm not possitive about information not saving when you press the power button, like if your computer is running fine and you press the button. So correct me if I'm wrong. But I know for sure that when you hold the power button in for the 3-4 seconds, nothing saves.... especially when your computer is frozen.
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jlhaslip
Jan 25 2006, 05:08 AM
And in addition, the System should want to do a disk check on restart because the machine isn't smart enough to know the switch was hit instead of the disk crashing. I don't know about you guys, but if these machines were any good, they would be able to tell the difference. Reminds me of a problem we used to have on a system at a Compnay I once worked at. They had an H-P 3000 machine. At the time it was pretty darned fancy. I think it had a 16 bit processor. It needed its own "room" to set up because the 400 Meg disk drives were the size of a school desk, only taller. Makes me laugh when I see the technology available today and think back to those times... but I digress... Anyway, they were prone to overheating and the system would shutdown, a bunch of data would have to be re-entered just like xjedix explained, until someone smarter than the average toilet seat (an Systems Engineer) came up with an idea to hook a thermostat to the thing and when it got too hot, the power supply would shut the machine down. Seemed that the machine handled power outage better than a heat shutdown, so the data all got saved on a Power off. Maybe only the last entry would have to be re-done. That's my story for the day. So aside from a disk check on start-up, I don't think the machine would be any worse for wear.
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Albus Dumbledore
Jan 25 2006, 05:47 AM
i think that shuting it down manually as you call it would be more benefical than hardbooting it, because A it gives all the programs a chance to shut down propperly and B it's not overloading the system with to many commands..but i might if you have allot of things running you know like saying to one person (shut yahoo down! now msn! not ie! now firefox! lol) just another ceazy thought by the one and only me..but i alternate alllot of the times..if im in a hurry to get my computer back on i will hardboot it, wait 10 seconds then turn it back on, it goes faster than waiting for windows to save settingss etc..
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WoLf9015
Jan 25 2006, 05:49 AM
QUOTE(Spen @ Jan 25 2006, 04:08 AM) Well what I want to know is: Will doing a manual shut down hurt your computer? Manual shut down as in not going to (This is on Windows XP) start menu,turn off your computer, and hit turn off. Some people I have talked to say it hurts your computer when you do a manual shut down. Does doing a manual shut down hurt your computer? it doesnt really hurt your pc but it s not a good habbit to get into beause sometimes files that where running werent shut down right so they might get messed up but its highly unlikly it will mess up your pc but dont use it much
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Razor
Jan 25 2006, 07:59 AM
Turning Off the Power from the mainspower suply In my expirience...it has corrupted a few of my files in system32 , i would highly reccomend not doin git unless you really have to..but i dont think the 7 second hold down on the power button..the only problem i have encountered in that is that i was running music on WMP ..and i held in the power button..when i started it up it said that windows media player had damaged profiles or somthing like that.. but that aint that bad...is it ? I preffer going to Start => Shut Down..Because then you know that your pc is definatly closing down everything.
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102mods
Jan 25 2006, 05:52 PM
hi i've got a slightly different opinion. Consider an airconditioner, when the compresor is on if you switch it off probably you could see a sprak build up in between the switch, well its because the airconditioner was workin in full load and thus drawing high current and that when it stops suddenly sparks are produced. Same is the case with pcs, when you turn off the pc using the power button the pc actually might've been workin in full power and a sudden stop could potentially damage smps/hdd/cd-dvd etc.... on the other hand when you turn off your pc from the start menu each and every devices are switched off one by one and finally the main supply is cut off, now that does'nt cause any damage.
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Amezis
Jan 26 2006, 06:00 PM
I never turn it off manually, I always go to start > turn off, except if the computer stops responding, and I have to turn it off manually. I've also heard that it might hurt the computer / components, but I really don't know anything...
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delivi
Jan 26 2006, 07:15 PM
I've experienced many problems due to manual shutdown of my system. So i'd say u not to do so because , most of the software and the OS store important and critical data store them in the Physical Memory and store them in the hard disk only during the system shutdown or when the application is properly closed. So if u perform a manual sutdown those data will be lost and when the system is booted or the software is loaded after such a process, it may crash or may not work properly if the required data is not available in the hard disk. So pal it would be better if u avoid doing a manual shutdown and keep it as an option only when the system is struck
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catfish
Jan 26 2006, 11:16 PM
pulling the plug might cause some problems, but most computers these days are "smart" enough to not screw up just because you used the tower button. Also anything you do wind-up doing will only damage software, (99.9% of cases) so its nothing a format won't fix.
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Jimmy
Mar 28 2007, 09:16 PM
QUOTE(haxored @ Mar 28 2007, 04:17 PM)  Referring to Manual Shutdown #1 (Press and holding the button): This will sometimes result in data corruption, why? Because during the normal shutdown process, Hardrive Read/Write heads are being parked on the SafeZone. Doing this will just leave the head on top of the plate destroying some precious data. I would say we are talking about this one... And I would agree with you it is bad, you made a very good point about the hard drives, but these are not the only parts to suffer. Fans can lose life by being instantly shut off and also the main chip doesn't do too good having instant power / usage changes. Software can get corrupted too, with files being unproperly saved, just cut off, things being accessed...! Its just not great for the comp - pressing the button once to turn off is fine!
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haxored
Mar 28 2007, 03:17 PM
There's a big confusion here... What do you mean by manual shutdown?? Some of the replies refer to Pressing the power button and wait for the computer to shutdown... while some refers to Holding your power button until the power is off... which are two different things. Referring to Manual Shutdown #1 (Pressing the button): It doesn't hurt your computer since it is just the same with going to 'Start>Turn Off'... its just a shortcut button!* Referring to Manual Shutdown #1 (Press and holding the button): This will sometimes result in data corruption, why? Because during the normal shutdown process, Hardrive Read/Write heads are being parked on the SafeZone. Doing this will just leave the head on top of the plate destroying some precious data. *if it is set in your ControlPanel>PowerManagement or in the BIOS.
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kawasu
Mar 3 2007, 03:14 PM
i tell myself its fine to manual shut down all the time, yet it has caused my pc to totally malfunction on a number of occasions. my pc would freeze, so bam i shut it down. next time i boot it up my windows install is corrupt and i need to re-install it...  v its happened atleast twice, and is very frustrating. i do not recommend manual shutdowns, but sometimes they're just needed. what i don't get, is how it's different to resetting a pc. i reset my pc far more than i ever do a manual shutdown and it seems to work just fine. from personal expierence, i'd reset it (if you can) then manual shutdown in dos mode. don't ask me why, but i've found it to be the safer option.
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Unregistered 012
Feb 18 2007, 01:21 PM
Well, i personally dont think that it hurts your computer. But it is better to do it through the start menu cause like others here have said, it is safer for the programs because they have a proper chance to shut down, and save what they were working on. I never shut down my computer manually though. I just dont like to. But i dont think that it will hurt your computer. I really only turn it off that way if it freezes or something like that.
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TypoMage
Feb 18 2007, 09:38 AM
When my sister did that to mine I imediatley starting having problems.  But luckily those are fixed now.
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