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QUOTE(no9t9 @ Jul 30 2006, 09:14 PM) *

There is a possibility that a female mentality is "put" into a male body? Give me a break. That is a MENTAL DISORDER. If you have a male body but think you are a girl stuck in a male body, you have an identity problem. This mental disorder must be corrected.

Just because it "happens" doesn't mean it should be accepted. Just like i said before, if a kid was born with only 1 leg, it is obvious that it would be better if the kid had 2 legs. What happens? People give the kid a prosthetic leg.

Now, you may say that a gender change operation will "fix" the problem but I disagree. The problem is not with the body but it is with the BRAIN. Just because it is EASIER to fix the body doesn't mean it is the right thing to do.


thank you very much... smile.gif I agree with you completely... it is most certainly a mental disorder, and I might even go so far as to say that being homosexual is a mental disorder... just because it happens doesn't mean it's right... I really don't want this to escalate further into "is it ok to be gay/gay marriage" debate, but I just have to say I agree with you on what you say... as for what to do about it... well, I'd just like to say if I had this problem I would learn to accept the body i'm in... though it may not be as easy as I make it sound, since I don't REALLY understand what it would be like...

sorry for rambling, just had to give my two cents...

 

 

 


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TypoMage
I think people are allowed to do what they want. Me I am a straight I am a guy. No changes or anything.
But if people want to be gay,straight, or Bi. (I hope I spelled that right) It is ok with me. I do not see any problem at all.

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NDPA
I wouldn't go so far as saying that transgenderness is actually a mental disorder. Whileas it could easily be that the thought of being another gender could be triggered by some mental disruption, it does not immediately mean that the person has problems with mentality, as many "transgenders" actually have a very clear mind.

With this said, I cannot find signifigant evidence to support the idea of being a transgender, especially considering the case of males believing they are female. Although recent DNA research has shown that everybody appears to start as a female and then develop the male... characteristics... this cannot be used as proof of transgenderness. And there is no evidence of any persons mind performing actions that only the opposite gender should be able to do.

I guess what I'm saying is, being a transgender may or may not be a real thing, just as it may or may not be a disorder. Until I see signifigant evidence on one side, I for one cannot make a jungement.

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JasperIk
QUOTE(braitt @ Jul 11 2006, 06:18 PM) *
Don't get me wrong okay, I'm not a transgender, I'm straight okay.


Being straight or gay has nothing to do with being transgendered.

I don't blame anyone if someone is transgendered its just how they are and how they feel. They don't chose to be transgendered they just chose if they want to go through to all the steps to become male or female. It doesn't really concern me or anyone else if they go through the procedure so i don't get why people get so uptight about it. They will be unhappy and could end up killing themselves if they don't go through with becoming the real gender they are meant to be, so when people say why dont you just stay the gender you were born as, it's not very intelligent because it wont change them from being transgendered it will just make them very unhappy.

 

 

 


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vbritton
I'm going to have to do some research on this before I can logically argue one way or the other. I have, from personal experience, witnessed two cases of transgender persons who chose to undergo a sex change operation, and in both cases, the individual in question ended up committing suicide after the procedure. In the first case, the individual worked for a government entity, who had to foot the bill for the horrendously expensive "procedure" of having his sex changed from male to female. This alone was enough to cause some degree of protest from other employees. Especially those who couldn't get said entity to even pay for necessary medical procedures that they needed. Sadly, he/she committed suicide within months of the operation.

In the second case, the individual also chose to have a sex change from male to female. After a few years he/she went on a mad, drug-induced rampage of depositing his own excrement at neighbor's driveways and doorsteps, and it wasn't long after this that he finally took his own life.

So, from my limited experience of this phenomenon, it seems the individuals in question were troubled from the start, and perhaps they thought a sex-change would make everything better. But instead, it seemed to have the opposite effect. The axiom, "Leave well enough alone," takes on new meaning in these cases.

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salamangkero
QUOTE(NDPA @ Aug 17 2006, 04:42 AM) *
Although recent DNA research has shown that everybody appears to start as a female and then develop the male... characteristics...


True, true. I remember my psych teacher once told us about this woman who's been having problems or pains during sexual intercourse with her husband. They went to a doctor and, to cut the long story short, he found out "she" had XY chromosomes. It appeared "her" body was extremely and severely underdeveloped so, while being far from male, she's also not quite female. Our teacher ranted on about the doctor's dilemma: keep quiet about it or say, "Hey, guess what, you're a guy!"

Anyway, I digress but that... err, man, has lived his entire life thinking he was a woman. I was just wondering... is that considered being transgendered?

QUOTE(JasperIk @ Mar 5 2007, 07:19 AM) *
They will be unhappy and could end up killing themselves if they don't go through with becoming the real gender they are meant to be, so when people say why don't you just stay the gender you were born as, it's not very intelligent because it wont change them from being transgendered. It will just make them very unhappy.


Indeed. Sometimes, I wonder why people bother with labels like "gay", "bi", "transsexual" or "transgendered." While it may be a mental disorder, note that not all mental disorders can or should be "corrected". After all, ain't it rude to say, "Oh, he's autistic, there's something definitely wrong with him." More than "correction", what everyone needs is understanding.

I think I remember my professor defining mental disorder, according to some thick book that served as the standard for psychiatrists, psychologists and psychoanalysts worldwide, to be a condition borne of the workings of the mind that causes distress to one's self and to others. It also disrupts a person's day-to-day life.

From what I see, a transgendered kid does not cause distress to itself or to its supportive parents. Now, I know a lot of people are gonna find problems with that poor child, claiming he has "mental disorder", is "not normal" and wearing the "wrong" clothes. Others may claim that the kid might need "correction", "rehabilitation" or a "cure", otherwise he/she will have nothing in store for him/her but doomsday, fire and brimstone.

It appears, though, that what the world needs is not a "cure" but a dose of tolerance. And to those who love sticking their noses into other people's gender and even sexual orientation (yes, cangor, I definitely may or may not mean you!), perhaps a wiser choice would be to stick their noses elsewhere.

QUOTE(vbritton @ Mar 5 2007, 07:50 AM) *
In the first case, the individual worked for a government entity, who had to foot the bill for the horrendously expensive "procedure" of having his sex changed from male to female. This alone was enough to cause some degree of protest from other employees. Especially those who couldn't get said entity to even pay for necessary medical procedures that they needed. Sadly, he/she committed suicide within months of the operation.

In the second case, the individual also chose to have a sex change from male to female. After a few years he/she went on a mad, drug-induced rampage of depositing his own excrement at neighbor's driveways and doorsteps, and it wasn't long after this that he finally took his own life.


Ahh, the controversial gender re-assignment operation. Allow me to share what a fellow homosexual had to say about that:

"Of course he'd feel depressed! He just had his thing cut off, now where is he gonna find pleasure? He's gonna be in heat for the rest of his life but never find release, poor guy!"

While I do not agree that it is all about sex, the more I think about it, the more it does make sense. Poor guy!

QUOTE(vbritton @ Mar 5 2007, 07:50 AM) *
The axiom, "Leave well enough alone," takes on new meaning in these cases.


Hmmn... I know you meant, "Leave well enough alone (stop fiddling with your gender!)" but it could also mean, "Leave well enough alone (stop fiddling with our gender!)" Just a side note, though tongue.gif

No, I'm just gay. I'm not transgendered; I'm still a guy (a gentleman, some girlfriends say) who politely yields his bus seat to women happy.gif

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itrainmonkeys
A very strange idea indeed. And you learned it from Oprah? Not the best place for learning but not the worst either. I've always wondered what it must feel like to be transgendered. I'm not saying I want to be a woman (i'm a man) but I just never understood what it would feel like to be trapped in the wrong body. Many trasgendered people have (like transexuals) changed their appearance to better fit their needs.

One of the cases I can think about is the female twin (whom i've seen on shows like Maury, Dr. Phil, etc.) who felt like a man so had surgery to become one. His (or her?) family accepted this fact and haven't shunned him. His sister is still jsut as close as when they were the same sex and their parents still love both of them the same. The male (who used to be female) now takes testostorone for voice and hair.....and couldnt be happier.

It's just not for me though.

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Unholy Prayer
I think I saw something about this on MSNBC or MTV's Truelife or something like that. It just means that they have the reproductive system of one gender but look and have the personality of the opposite gender. I only caught a few minutes since I thought it was kind of weird and I was flipping through channels.

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velma
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Just like a child who is born with any other abnormality, you would like to correct it. If a child was born blind, would you not try to fix it? Would it not be better off?

Abnormalities need to be corrected. If they are not, it only leads to suffering.
Ok so please let us know on how you would solve this issue. It is not a physical disorder like blindness or a broken limb. It is a hormonal and psychological thing and the mind is hundred times much more sensitive then the body. You cant just curb the child or tie him up or send him to church and you think that the problem would be solved? The only result you will get is that the child would stop telling you its feelings and get even more confused and might take a drastic step like suicide or drugs...
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There is a possibility that a female mentality is "put" into a male body? Give me a break. That is a MENTAL DISORDER. If you have a male body but think you are a girl stuck in a male body, you have an identity problem. This mental disorder must be corrected.

Just because it "happens" doesn't mean it should be accepted. Just like i said before, if a kid was born with only 1 leg, it is obvious that it would be better if the kid had 2 legs. What happens? People give the kid a prosthetic leg.

Now, you may say that a gender change operation will "fix" the problem but I disagree. The problem is not with the body but it is with the BRAIN. Just because it is EASIER to fix the body doesn't mean it is the right thing to do.


I am stumped with this reply on why do you have a problem with them living the life they choose. We have only alternative on fixing the problem...Sex change and if it makes them happy then why not? If you can give a prosthetic leg to a child to make him happy then why not transgender kids who would love to have a life that they choose and deserve.

I never seem to hear people complaining about celebrities having all kinds of operations...What if they started changing their sexes? I do not think they would be targeted in a negative manner but they would be shown in a very sympathetic light

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-[Nero]-
interesting, this is new to me ^^ i've thought transgenders and transsexuals were the same due to my lack of knowledge. its understandable for transgenders to change their gender if they were a guy in a girl's body and vice versa. can't imagine how they feel being a male or female in the wrong body =\ must be real hard for them...

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