icylady101
Aug 27 2005, 05:50 AM
 NOTE: this post is based on ICYLADY101's opinion and was not aimed to offend nor encourage existing sites.  The first post to this topic. I am hoping to expand this list as time prceeds. Here is the surrent list of things that I THINK a good website shouldn't have! 1. An enormous amount of animated .gifsOK, who in the "normal" world likes to visit a site full of these flashing animations/banners/buttons/images??? (But I do understand that some sites have to endure these due to their host) I extremely don't like arriving at a website that takes 10 years to load and in the end all I see is a massive clutter of blinking images! In particular, to those animations that only contain one or two frames and are on loop. When I see those, I thank the people at Microsoft(and other browsers) for creating the "STOP" button, that way it will freeze the animations so they don't continue to "blink me to death". In conclusionI suggest to not have ANY of those animated gif's on your website, but if it really IS that tempting to have it on your site, than please only use 1 or 2 because, honestly, they are very annoying. You shouldn't have animated .gifs because of these reasons: >>they take a lot of space > on your server and on your bandwith (especially if your site has a lot of visitors. >>they take a long time to load > tough on your visitors who have to wait for each and every image to load and by the time it's finished loading, your visitor would of been long GONE!! It's also tough on your bandwith! >>they are annoying > YES THEY ARE! Very annoying and if people look at it for a while they may even suffer epileptic seizures!! (if the case is serious) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the first thing that I think a GOOD website shouldn't have, I hope to add more soon, so keep on visiting back to this forum and all comments on what I could add or improve on is welcomed! 
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icylady101
Aug 27 2005, 06:52 AM
 I've apparently got nothing to do, so I guess I'll keep going on with the 2nd thing that I find a GOOD website shouldn't have. 2. CSS coded scrollbars where all the values of the scrollbar are in the same colourPeople with Firefox, should just ignore this because the browser shows the default scrollbar anyway. But with people whom use Internet explorer and are able to see the coloured scrollbar, keep reading if you like. Let me explain:webdesigners whom are capable of coding CSS, usually like to code the scrollbar colors so that it fits in with their site or with their site layout. But some people for some strange reason like to change the colours of their scrollbar so that all the values (track color, darkshadow color) are in the same colour. So when users visit their page they will have a see a "lovely" scrollbar where you cannot see the difference between the arrows, the face of the scrollbar and or the track colour. Thats fantastic (NOT)! Especially to those websites that have very long pages which require excessive scrolling. Most people click and drag the scrollbar on the screen to scroll down the page but unfortunately when they encounter a "one color scrollbar" (as I call it) they will just have to guess where the face of the scrollbar is and drag. Also, does anyone know what it feels like to scroll down a page to read the content but then when you want to scroll down a little further by pressing the scrollbar again, it suddenly drags you to another part of the page? This usually occurs when you haven't been able to exactly hit on the face of the scrollbar and continue to drag, instead you had clicked on the track of the bar(short for scrollbar, I am so tired of having to write that word), thus has taken you to another part of the page from where you clicked. I KNOW IT IS VERY COMPLICATING, BUT BEAR WITH ME. That is a problem that I find is quite annoying, because then I have the hard task of finding the face of the bar which is close to impossible because the colours of the bar are all the same! And then try scrolling again! In conclusion>>when selecting colours for your scrollbar>remember to diversify in your colours, meaning to use dfferent colours, it's easier for you and it's even more easier for your visitors to navigate--especially if you have very long pages or even worse, Inline frames. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There we go another thing a GOOD website shouldn't have! 
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icemarle
Aug 27 2005, 06:59 AM
 OK, it didn't seem like you were venting at first, but anyway... Yeah, I hate those kind of sites too... I think overenthusiastic kids made those sites, they don't know better than to keep it simple and make it heaven for their visitors. I was like that once before, but thankfully, I realized that I was also having trouble with my site. (It also crashed my computer) But I have a classmate who thinks she's such a computer genius. She wanted to be a programmer thinking that she's gonna be good, since she's good at math. Wha? I may be 14 but I've programmed every now and then. (VBasic, lame, I know...  ) Anyway, she thinks she's such a genius. I made my site when I was 6. (It was simple point and click. No, it wasn't image overloaded as you might think) It was uploaded to the web. (I did that all on my own) But of course, that doesn't mean I'm a good web designer. I'm still template reliable. I'm not good at making my own web graphics for headers. I also need to learn. I've seen her site. DiS iz hOw sHe "tAlKs" tO hEr vIsItoRs. She also has a few special characters now and then. Oh, and she "text" talks with that kind of character arrangement in Filipino, would you believe it!? It's such a hassle. I viewed it with Firefox, and the frames went berserk. It seems that she didn't think there were other browsers out there. She should've said, Best viewed in IE, but no! Oh, and she also has tons of "adopt a---" animated gifs. It's so annoying! I could hardly read her light blue on dark blue text! Ooh, just thinking about how she boasts about her site makes me so angry... I never boast about my site in class, I hardly tell my friends! She thinks she's so elite! Tch. *icemarle tries to cool down* (Yeah, I guess I really turned it into a venting topic hehehe  )
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icylady101
Aug 27 2005, 07:15 AM
Hi Icemarie, yup I totally agree, I really don't like those people whom boast a lot about their site when really their site's nothing special! I mean, I'm not saying I'm an expert at webdesigning or anything but I know that a site that types in sTiCkY cApS is nothing unique. A good website, doesn't require anyone to boast about it, people would just know that it's a good website.  Anway, Yeah, I agree, my first post doesn't even sound like venting, it sounds more like, me trying to tell people what not to add to their site than venting about what I hate! Don't worry I'll try to start venting, once I see a site that really pisses me off, and trust me, there are so much sites out there that you know you'd love to burn!  Oh, do you like anime/manga as well? I do too!
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littleweseth
Aug 27 2005, 09:57 AM
Font tags. And blinky/scrolly things. And table based layouts. And, the big one.... Comic. Sans. Prefix the following with : Micro. Soft. In true slashdot style : "There's no emoticon for what I'm feeling!!oneone!"
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icemarle
Aug 27 2005, 10:11 AM
I'm icemarle by the way... ICEMARLE. A lot of people think I'm icemarie, I know, I'm used to it... QUOTE Oh, do you like anime/manga as well? I do too! Yeah! I especially like comedy and shoujo (girl manga). I also study Japanese because I wanted to read my games and talk with my 3 Japanese cousins. (They don't speak English or my language) 
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leiaah
Aug 27 2005, 12:31 PM
Oooh I'm glad I don't have any blinking gifs in my site and a colored scrollbar... whew! but I use an inline frame for my shoutbox.  I agree with what you guys said about animated gifs being annoying when they're all you see in a website. It's distracting and it takes the focus from the whole site content and it makes the designer seem amateur and the website tacky. sorry!
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Sprnknwn
Aug 27 2005, 12:51 PM
I agree with all of the above. Animated gifs are so annoying... of course I have used in the past... the first time I decided to make a website I found it a good idea to give movement by using those horrible sequences of images. Oh, that typical gif of a mail box... Fortunately, I´ve never ever used Comic Sans... I don´t like it even for Word. Now I´m rehabilited
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icylady101
Aug 27 2005, 02:22 PM
Corrections/replies:Icemarle- I got your name wrong..  I like the manga/anime Chobits-I really like Chii Leiaah-don't be afraid to speak your mind, this is venting!! No need to say sorry, and have fun! Littleweseth-hehe, funny username! and yep, I find the Comic sans font really boring and sorta lumpy too (if you get what I mean) Sprnknwn-Good for you!! I think I used the animated mailbox once too. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> A short post this time. 3. Large Images A good website should be a website where the site is quick in loading. But if you have large images, you can say bye to the impatient visitors at your site. Also a good website should have a layout that is designed by the site owner, using graphics and coding all by the owner. When I see a very large image on a site, I try to look away and I also try to stop the temptation of clicking the [X] in the top right corner. The first idea I get is: this site owner cannot design or it could be he/she is so lazy. I think this because any webdesigner should of heard of the "slice" tool. (a tool used to cut an image into smaller sizes, to improve loading time and space). Slicing your image is not that difficult at all, just open up the slicing program and cut away (But remember, cut the image into reasonable sizes and by that I don't mean cutting it to 3-4 pixels per slice). Thus, your images are smaller and are quicker to download. I really dislike websites with enormous images for their layouts, it takes so long to load, I sometimes feel sorry for those webusers that have slow internet connections, they have to wait so long for the image to load. In conclusion>>if you have large images in your site layout, use the slicing tool with adobe Photoshop, Jasc paint shop pro or download a free slicer from coffecup software. Slicing the image decreases the loading time and as a result visitors might decide to stay at your site for longer to check out what it's got to offer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> Kind of short.... I guess, with 1769 characters. Thank You to everyone reading!
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bmxpunker2005
Aug 27 2005, 10:22 PM
I dont know what Comic Sans are, but I totally agree with your thoughts on the little animations, I hate those things. Or even on peoples myspace's. Everyone has some music video, or even videos, that take forever to load and slow you down, some peoples Myspace has so much stuff on there like animated gifts, adpot a pet, custom scroll bars, videos etc, that my computer will lock up. On websites its just as annoying. I think having a nice simple layout, with good content is ideal. Like I prefer google's look over yahoo's. Or aj.com is simple and kind to the eyes as well. Anyhow thats just my opinion. Peace Jason.
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believer
Nov 2 2005, 06:08 AM
I once encountered a very very good designed website and the idea is really cool but what turned me off is the backgroubd music that the owner has, I say c'mmon, most people do not have the same type of music you have, if I wanted to listen to music then I would rather play MP3's in Winamp, what make it worst is that he did not put any option to stop that looping annoying music. That for me is one of the most annoying thing I can see on a website. Also for me again..simple is beautiful
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exhale
Oct 30 2005, 04:51 PM
yeah too much animation get can hurt people's eyes.. because its constantly blinking haha it just hurts my eyes (my opinion) you dont havta agree with me soo yupp thats so true too much animation isnt attracting
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Musical Tunes
Oct 30 2005, 03:42 AM
i totally agree with everything above! Animated gifs are so annoying! I see tons of sites having those, i think they are fine for like aol homepages but for like sites with content and everything it is really stupid. something else that annoys me is that some sites put VOTE 4 ME links everywhere! sometimes on the main page they make the voting page popup it is really annoying
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wariorpk
Oct 29 2005, 07:18 PM
I totally agree about having too many animated GIFS I don't usually place animated GIFs in my sites at all because they take away from the content that you want visitors to see. In my opinion the only reason you need an animated GIF is for a site banner, a forum sig, or an advertisement.
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ZeroHawk
Oct 29 2005, 07:14 PM
If your custom scrollbare doesn't look that great, don't use it. Keep the background simple, don't have complicated designs or multicolor or really bright backgrounds. And make sure it doesn't interefre with your text. I have a big image on top of my site but it's only like 30kb and it fits in with the background. I'm too lazy to make the "real" top logo to replace the one I have. I put up my site way too early, before I had any "real" content (still isn't any, MAYBE later today). Don't make that mistake, don't have an empty/under construction site. People usually won't return.
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