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It Will Work! Water Fuel Engine? First off, I'm glad this thread is here. That means other people are thinking about alternative propulsion methods. To get to the next level of efficient responsible automotive technology, forget everything you know about internal combustion engines and hybrids. The real solution resides outside of anything requiring the burning of fossil fuels. (electricity is co... read more.
QUOTE(bonniecool @ Oct 6 2005, 07:42 PM) This question has been in my mind for at least a year. My friend told me that water fuel engine has been developed but can't appear on the market because it will reduce the oil companies' profit and use too much water to cause water problem all over the world. Is this true that the water fuel engine has already existed??  i think you're talking about the fuel cell engine. It runs on hydrogen gas. The by-product is water. It is not practice for a water fuel engine because the amount that is being uses is the same as the amount the water will create. QUOTE(DogEater008 @ Oct 7 2005, 08:52 PM) i think you're talking about the fuel cell engine. It runs on hydrogen gas. The by-product is water. It is not practice for a water fuel engine because the amount that is being uses is the same as the amount the water will create. its possible but ypu would have to do a turbin that pushes the water through and yeah its point less...
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MANY amazing inventions have been invented and patented and then bought out and never seen again. I know sum1 who worked at Ford, and he rememeber seeing some guy who had invented a car which ran on water. . . . simialr to a fuel cell. . .but Ford bought out the Patent to the technology, and it was never seen again . . why?. . . because it would harm OIL produces profits . . . Same with lightbulbs. . . . someone invented an ever lasting lightbulb. . . . the tehcnolgoy was bought out by a bulb co0mpany and never seen again . . . why?. . because if everyone bought them, they would go out of buisness. . . . its quite sad how such efficient inventions and ideas are all swept udner the carpet because people would loose money. . . QUOTE(bonniecool @ Oct 7 2005, 02:42 AM) This question has been in my mind for at least a year. My friend told me that water fuel engine has been developed but can't appear on the market because it will reduce the oil companies' profit and use too much water to cause water problem all over the world. Is this true that the water fuel engine has already existed?? yeh i think so i heard about it somewhere i think in the newspaper
I've heard about multiple variations of the "water" fueled engine, including different hydrogen engines and the most popular fuel cell design. But haven't heard anywhere that it'll use so much water that its a problem! One thing to note is that you physically cannot destroy water. You can change the form and appearance and even react it to other elements but you can always get it back
QUOTE(alperuzi @ Oct 8 2005, 08:48 AM) I've heard about multiple variations of the "water" fueled engine, including different hydrogen engines and the most popular fuel cell design. But haven't heard anywhere that it'll use so much water that its a problem! One thing to note is that you physically cannot destroy water. You can change the form and appearance and even react it to other elements but you can always get it back that is not true. Because when you break down the molecules to release the energy. Some of the mass will convert into ENERGY (that's how you get energy). So therefore, you will have less water. BUt water is an abundant source so it's nothing to worry about and it's easy to make water anyway.
A water engine is very unrealistic, it probably exsist but it would serve no purpose. The water engine would have to do vast amounts of water to propell a car and the car size would increase by like 5x to beable to support enough water to last as long as a full tank of gas. On the other hand though the fuel cell is becoming very popular and the by product of hydrogen of course is water. The main issue with these fuel cells is that its extremley dangerous, although they have done a good job of reducing the risk with a very secure cell. Although when a hydrogen station explodes its alot different from a gas station, it would cause a much greater explosion. Take for example the hydrogen bomb thats what could be caused if something were to go terribly wrong.
Yes, to actually release the hydrogen from the water would in itself be impractical. The car would have to be very big to hold enough water to fuel it, and the apparatus used to split the water would be large. I think it was probably true that someone invented a water fuel cell, although it was too impractical to use, at which point the urban myths started...
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Water Fuel Engine? First off, I'm glad this thread is here. That means other people are thinking about alternative propulsion methods. To get to the next level of efficient responsible automotive technology, forget everything you know about internal combustion engines and hybrids. The real solution resides outside of anything requiring the burning of fossil fuels. (electricity is commonly generated by coal-fired plants, so forget your plug-in cars too) Vehicle owners are falsely held captive to the idea that all cars must burn "something" to get propulsion. Currently, oil companies (aka Energy Conglomerates) are providing that "something" at immesurable cost in terms of both currency and humanity. For no other reason than to perpetuate wealth by peddling dinosaur blood. Other technologies have existed for several decades, but the oil providers would have you believe differently! For example, the original intended fuel for Diesel engines was not petroleum-based. It was vegetable-based. All those converted BioDiesel Mercedes cars on the road today are simply returning to their roots! But to get to the heart of the matter, a new technology must emerge. If I were an independently and infinitely wealthy man I would bet on the silenced innovations of Joseph Papp from the 1970's. He proposed the "Noble Gas Plasma Engine" (US Patent 3670494) as the next step in propulsion tech. In essence, a perpetual engine that lasts for hundreds of thousands of miles. The future is knocking. Who will answer? -reply by Bob667
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Water Fuel Engine? Invented by a Mr Francois P. Cornish (UK) Tested successfully by BMW in 1981 Patented in 1982 SPECIFICATIONS: Water reacted cleverly with aluminium, producing Hydrogen and Aluminium Oxide. Hydrogen is collected and sprayed in a standard carburettor like with methane-gas. A 900 kg car runs 600 km on 20 litres of water and 1 kg of aluminium. Clean energy apart from the process of refining Bauxite into aluminium. The only exhaust product of a hydrogen engine is water! A coil 21 of aluminium wire 22 is fed through a push-pull unit 23 of the kind used to feed welding wire to argon arc welding devices. The unit 23 is arranged to feed the wire against the surface of the drum 19 and to traverse the wire along the length of the drum on a bar 24. The wire passes along an insulating sleeve 25 which enters the tank 10 through a suitable wiper seal. In the vessel 17 there is a pressure sensor 26 connected to a control unit 27. When the pressure sensor senses a pressure above a predetermined value, it signals the control unit 27 which in turn stops the unit 23 so that wire is no longer fed towards the drum 19. When the pressure drops again, feeding is resumed. In use, the coil 21 is connected to the high tension side of two ignition coils or transformers 30 and 33. These transformers have primary windings 31 and 34 and secondary, high tension windings 32 and 35. A capacitor 36 is connected across the high tension connections. The terminals 28 and 29 are connected to a conventional vehicle battery. At the point of contact between the end of the wire 22 and the drum 19 an electrical discharge takes place. As a result the adjacent metal surfaces are heated to high temperature, the protective oxide film which naturally forms on exposed aluminium surfaces is disrupted, and the exposed aluminium surfaces react with the water. In fact the electrochemical situation at the interface is such that the wire 22 is consumed with the following reaction taking place. 2Al + 3H2O ---> Al2O3 + 3H2 As a result, hydrogen bubbles from the contact point while the aluminium oxide collects as a white powder in the base of the tank 10. A grid 37 in the bottom of the tank allows the powder to pass through, and then keeps the powder substantially free from currents in the tank 10. The hydrogen passes through the vessel 17 and the orifice 18 to the carburettor of an internal combustion engine. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE GO TO: Http://members.Tripod.Com/~anon99/water_engine/index2.Html -Alex Szatmary
Is this true that the water fuel engine has already existed??
Engines modified to run with a combination of water with gasoline, check "water4gas.com'!
I was quite excited yesterday to hear in the news that Honda is releasing a new car in 2012 that will be ableto live soly on water with no waste products other than hydrogen peroxide, which with the helop of energy from the sun rays will break down into free oxygen, which will under certain conditions be able to fuse into ozone, and waterm which will fall down on Earth as rain to be a source for even more fuel for the car. That sounds pretty sweet, I am considering bying on eof those cars once they come out.
QUOTE(angad619 @ Oct 31 2007, 01:37 PM) Cells that use soft water as fuel are not acceptable. If we can use hard water such as the water directly from the oceans, it would be a breakthrough technology and could change the future of energy crisis and world economics! But my little chem knowledge tells me that it is almost next to impossible. Coz you would either have to heat-up that water or break it down to it's constituent elements. But that would give us salts as the residue which damages the apparatus!! Oil companies will close down once oil becomes rare and automobile companies will have to find alternate fuels. Is this come kind of a joke???  Take a look at this picture: Thsi is a regular sight in many countries. Even in upscale cities like mumbai(India), we get water for just 4 hrs a day. This has become a way of life. True, we have a borewell connection for every building but that provides only hard water. It also isn't easy to create water!!!! You can take out Hydrogen and Oxygen from water but you can't make water just by adding H and O!!!!! Last night I read in the papers that some famous seer has predicted that the 3rd world war would be for possession of drinking water!! This is a serious issue guys. This is my plea to everyone. Please donot waste precious water. By saving water you may not help other countries but you can ensure that your nation does not face a water crisis in the near future. There is a SERIOUS water crisis in Georgia, Alabama, and Florida. These 3 states are on the verge of going to war over water in the next 2-3 years, if drought conditions continue to get worse. One answer, of course is to quit sh---ing in water. We need to find a waterless toilet system that zaps our wastes dry and disposes of it in the land some kind of way. This would help create more arable land, and do away with a source of pollution, while freeing up huge amounts of water now being wasted and flushed away. John Q. Plumber was a great man in his day. But I think John has outlived his usefulness...
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