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People can be vegetarian and they'll usually get all the nutrients they need. Being vegan, well, it's just hard to get all the things you need without taking all kinds of supplements, so, in my reply to a comment on the first page, humans can't rip the skin off a cow with their teeth (or maybe they can) but they can't be completely vegan either. There's a reason we use tools an... read more.
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cramy
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Why we all need Vitamin B12, is an article from todays newspaper.

Vitamin B12 is also known as Cobalamin and was the last B vitamin to be identified. It plays a vital part in the manufacture of red blood cells, which are needed to carry oxygen round the body. Cobalamin is also needed for a healthy nervous system.
Deficiency can lead to pernicious anaemia,extreme fatigue,and neurological symptoms such as forgetfulness,dizziness,tingling and loss of co-ordination. Low levels are also linked to depression and mood swings. Dr Joseph Chandy of Shinwell Medical Group in Horden, Durham, has treated hundreds of patients over 25 years. He believes B12 deficiency is a forgotten illness, affecting up to 12 per cent of the population.
The scale of the problem is vastly underestimated, he says, because doctors are using out-of-date criteria to identify the condition. His work has shown B12 deficiency has no respect for age or gender- his patients include a boy of 10 and people in their 80s.
The deficiency can be caused by a number of factors, including a vegetarian or vegan diet, because B12 is found naturally in animal sources such as meat, liver, fish eggs and milk.
However some people,s bodies fail to absorb vitamin B12 direcrty from food- and the only way this balance can be redressed is regular injections directly into their blood.

It can be dangerous to over-dose on any vitamin, including vitamin B12. If you think you are deficient in this vitamin, seek medical advice.
My own opinion is to take a vitamin b complex, at the recommended dose, every day.


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juice
You should have used quote tags. I am a vegetarian and I am just as healthy as the next person. I hate it when stupid doctors or/and people say one needs meat to be healthy and gain protein and junk like that. An elephant is strong right? An elephant does NOT eat meat. Most meat eaters get there protein from cows. Cows get their protein from grass. Can your teeth rip through the raw skin of a cow? I don't think so but a lion with MASSIVE teeth can. Here is a fact for you: humans are the only creatures on this planet to cook it's food. Mmm, interesting - so long meat-eaters, happy digesting smile.gif

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Yratorm, LightMage
I think refraining from fanaticism in all it's forms leads to a happier, healthier life.

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salamangkero
QUOTE(juice @ Jan 10 2007, 04:51 AM) *
I am a vegetarian and I am just as healthy as the next person. I hate it when stupid doctors or/and people say one needs meat to be healthy and gain protein and junk like that. An elephant is strong right? An elephant does NOT eat meat. Most meat eaters get there protein from cows. Cows get their protein from grass.


Oookay, first off, those "stupid doctors" didn't get the title "Doctor" for being stupid. If anything, I think the title is indicative of the opposite. Also, if you really read the original post, you'd find that some vegetarian diets bring about, not lack of protein, but lack of cobalamin, or Vitamin B12. The complexities of vegetarian diets do not end with protein.

Also, the strength of a creatures relies not on its size. Just because an elephant is large does not mean it necessarily is strong. Look at ants. They can lift up to 50 times their own weight! They also eat meat, btw happy.gif

Another thing, just because you are healthy now does not mean it will stay that way forever. It may take months or even years before the effects of a new diet begins to manifest themselves.

Lastly, there is no point in comparing humans to cows and elephants when it comes to diet. For one, cows and elephants are completely capable of digesting cellulose, which is why they need not eat meat. We, humans, on the other hand, can only get starch and vitamins from most plant matter that we do need to eat meat to get our protein somewhere.

 

 

 


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juice
QUOTE(salamangkero @ Jan 10 2007, 06:44 PM) *

Oookay, first off, those "stupid doctors" didn't get the title "Doctor" for being stupid. If anything, I think the title is indicative of the opposite. Also, if you really read the original post, you'd find that some vegetarian diets bring about, not lack of protein, but lack of cobalamin, or Vitamin B12. The complexities of vegetarian diets do not end with protein.

Also, the strength of a creatures relies not on its size. Just because an elephant is large does not mean it necessarily is strong. Look at ants. They can lift up to 50 times their own weight! They also eat meat, btw happy.gif

Another thing, just because you are healthy now does not mean it will stay that way forever. It may take months or even years before the effects of a new diet begins to manifest themselves.

Lastly, there is no point in comparing humans to cows and elephants when it comes to diet. For one, cows and elephants are completely capable of digesting cellulose, which is why they need not eat meat. We, humans, on the other hand, can only get starch and vitamins from most plant matter that we do need to eat meat to get our protein somewhere.



I'm going to leave you to your own demise, have a good day and keep up the quality posting! smile.gif

PS: I will not post again in this thread so please don't reply to my posts - thank you.

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master_bacarra
and runs off just like that. dry.gif can't accept criticism huh?

first of all, doctors probably don't know that you're a vegan. after all when you look at two people, one being a carnivore and one being a vegan, there's not really much of a difference on the way they look. it's not like there's a banner overhead that says "hey i'm a vegan". doctors say that because it is what they think the best diet for people that do eat meat. you could have at least mentioned to your doctor that you're a vegan and that he should give out advice on getting alternatives to get your dose of protein. after all, you're not considered healthy if you don't have enough nutrients to supply your body. there are a lot of foods that are not meat and can provide you with protein.

with regards to the topic, i sort of can't connect it to the first post of this thread. although vitamin b12 is a derivative of what people need to stay healthy, it doesn't necessarily mean it's only for vegans. from the post itself, it's mentioned that b12 is necessary for proper blood cell creation, that vitamin 12 deficiency would lead to certain complications, so it means that it should also apply to non-vegans. the topic would have been clearer if the first post was about some trivia on vegans and vegan diet.

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juice
QUOTE(mbacarra @ Jan 11 2007, 01:31 AM) *

and runs off just like that. dry.gif can't accept criticism huh?


Sorry, I was having a bad day. I can take all the criticism in the world but I prefer not to talk back because the ones criticising are firmly set in their beliefs and are not prepared to learn other people's way of living. They do it the way they know and that's it.

QUOTE(Yratorm, LightMage @ Jan 9 2007, 11:46 PM)

I think refraining from fanaticism in all it's forms leads to a happier, healthier life.


I don't think that will ever happen in my life-time but would be a miracle if it did.

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master_bacarra
QUOTE(juice @ Jan 11 2007, 08:40 PM) *

Sorry, I was having a bad day.

okay... so your post depends on your mood for that day? dry.gif
QUOTE(juice @ Jan 11 2007, 08:40 PM) *

I can take all the criticism in the world but I prefer not to talk back because the ones criticising are firmly set in their beliefs and are not prepared to learn other people's way of living. They do it the way they know and that's it.

uh... sure sure. just because someone comments about your post that is opposite to yours, doesn't necessarily mean they're "close-minded". if you read salamangkero's post properly, his post wasn't implying anything about him being firmly set on his beliefs. he was just merely being informative and that he was correcting some of your post. what's so wrong with that? so i guess we could all blame the mood for spoiling the day huh? huh.gif dry.gif

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juice
It's ok, you can all criticise me as much as you like, take out all your anger smile.gif Feel free to critisice me to earn those great hosting credits! It's ok because I don't have time for this junk and this thread - goodbye.

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master_bacarra
dry.gif who said i was angry? jeez. and please, i've probably been here longer than you. gathering hosting credits is probably just second in my list to do here in trap. and if you don't have time for "junk" like this, then why do you keep on replying then? huh.gif in fact, why did you post in the first place? if you can't handle criticism well, then you shouldn't have acted hastily in the first place.

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cangor
People can be vegetarian and they'll usually get all the nutrients they need. Being vegan, well, it's just hard to get all the things you need without taking all kinds of supplements, so, in my reply to a comment on the first page, humans can't rip the skin off a cow with their teeth (or maybe they can) but they can't be completely vegan either. There's a reason we use tools and stuff. My opinion is that going to one extreme or the other (total carnivore vs. obsessive vegan) is just bad for your health and you need to eat somewhere in between.

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Sprnknwn
Don't know about the rest but I don't feel veganism is a fanatic way of life at all. I am always open to ways of life that don't base or even face social conventions and this one does. And it makes me sad that the main text in a topic called "Vegan Diet" talks really about what it should be called "Why not to follow a vegan diet". By the way, 6 posts... cool. laugh.gif

Probably when I get to live on my own I will try a vegan diet (maybe I'll start a vegetarian one first but I'd like to try the vegan one) but not looking for a healthier state. If I can get at least equally healthy and no animals have to die (with more or less suffering) to keep me alive, it would be worthy, isn΄t it?. And I΄m not interested much in spirituality issues, by the way. wink.gif

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Misanthrope
Veganism is a perfectly viable, healthy dietary choice which deserves full discussion here, under the health forum, with or without reference to implied spiritual context. That said, I would hate to see members discouraged from posting further on this topic because it has been vilified on this board as a "fanatic" lifestyle. I'd also encourage members to go here for more information on this HEALTHY and humane alternative to the factory farming complex of death.

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Yratorm, LightMage
Actually there's a section being created on spirituality, and it would definitely be useful there. I myself have quite a few details as to the spiritual aspects of veganism in many cultures, and so has Opaque, (and so do you, I'm sure smile.gif ) so it should be an interesting thread, indeed.

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Misanthrope
I thought this thread was on veganism. But to respond, individuals learn in different ways. Some people actually enjoy and/or take in information better if they are "preached" to, and actually become offended at more subtle forms of education. And that applies across the board to all disciplines. We should not criticize how others wish to learn. In venues that truly value free speech, these forms of intellectual flow are allowed to flourish. Further, persons who choose alternative diets such as veganism should be allowed to post under Health and Fitness without being labled "fanatic."

Where spirituality is concerned, I will post such content under "Life Topics," as a receptive climate for such material has yet to be created in health and fitness.


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