QUOTE(omarsdali @ Jan 1 2008, 10:35 PM)
[1] You obviously didn't try hard enough, if you look at the five pillars of Islam, there is no rape, terrorism, sexism, racism, I don't know where you got them from, but when Islam first came it brought equality between the master and the slave, and gave women their rights including the right to inherit, when before she was being inherited herself.
[2] He has no need to defend his religion because it's not in danger, so there is no need for lying..
[3] Give examples please. [3.2]And don't forget that you should take into account the time period when the aya was revealed when trying to understand it's meaning. for example, in Islam drinking alcohol is forbiden, but there is one verse in the quran that says dont pray when you are drunk, you may think it's contradictory but when Islam first came drinking wasn't forbiden and Islam didn't that in steps, first by forbiding being drunk when praying, and then by completely prohibiting it.
[4] It's still a fact. And the other day there was a muslim actor from hollywood talking on the radio and he said he always gets the same role in the movies, a muslim terrorist, and he always get the same line, "in the name of Allah I will kill you".
[5] because he wants to educate people about what Islam really is.
[6] Where is the contradiction ?
[7] Not many americans have a copy of the quran, and even the ones who do probably don't read it. I know my uncle still didn't read the copy he has.
[8] Why ?
[1] I don't care what Islam states as it's five pillars, I care for reality, what Islam really is and not what it claims to be. Females have been inferior in every goddamn way in Islam. Give me one verse that can prove me wrong and I'll give you a dozen that you slap back at you. Islam never brought equality between master and slave, it just promoted racism and blacks were still treated as slaves. Muhammad had many black slaves and he called them 'raisin heads'. It is even there in the Ahadith that a dream of a black woman means forthcoming disease or illness.
[2] Oh really? If Islam is not in danger then why so much of terrorism, insecurity and whining all over the world? For some reasons Muslims are always agitated about something or the other. Bow down or get yourself blown up.
[3] That's like asking the proof of the Earth revolving around the Sun. Go on and read what many Muslim scholars have to say, none of them have a sound and stable understanding, they all bend the verses in order to fit the situation. All translations are different and Zakir and Harun completely changed the shape of the Earth itself from a carpet to an Ostritch's Egg. Muhammad terrorized the neighboring tribes and enforced Islam. He raped the captives and so did the followers. Islam punishes rape as an offensive crime but the circular logic makes it almost impossible to detect rape first of all. Rape victims still live in despair and most of the time they are itself punished in Islamic countries. One recent case was of a lady who was black-mailed by a man and then ended up getting gang-raped by 4 of them. Now she got executed because she was "with another man" alone. If she wouldn't have been, her family would've executed her as the blackmailer would lie to her family about her affair. And guess what? Only verses were used in the entire "justice" process.
[3.2] No, I should not. Because the Qu'ran is supposedly the final word of God which is applicable to all coming time. Irrespective of the time, period, geography or anything whatsoever. Is your "God" so imperfect?
[4] Not all Muslims are always given terrorist roles. Almost all of the leading actors in Bollywood are Muslims. The "Superstar" itself is a Muslim.
[5] Educate people on what Islam is? Do YOU have any clear idea of what it is to start with? Why doesn't God come and educate people instead of "mere mortals"?
[6] 'cause Islam doesn't believe in Peace. The entire Qu'ran is filled with threats and promises of Hell to non-believers and who don't obey Allah's words. I can't believe in a God who punishes others for his mistakes.
[7] I am not an American and I don't care for that hypocrite Christian state. I don't know why all Muslims are so blind to ever see that there is a world outside America and their book.
[8] Why? What kind of a question is that? If you want me to clarify things with you, ASKING me is better than sending suicide bombers to kill me. Or here in a less destructive sense, posting hate.
QUOTE(wailedhero @ Jan 2 2008, 03:22 AM)
[1] Its nothing but a white lie. Prove it! You may had read books of Arun Shourie against Islam but you never read Quran. Even Arun Shourie had never read the Qur'an very well!
[2] Today Muslims are being called as terrorists. I would like to remind you that the Nation (USA) which calls the Muslims as terrorists forgot that they are the people who are making terror games and movies e.g. Movies of the singer '50 Cent' and others, Grand Theft Auto series from Rockstar. In All these movies and games the hero fights for his territory and many innocent people are killed for this passion. This is being taught to elders and also to youngsters and children. Then why this country calls itself against terrorism when terrorism is being taught in it? They call the Masajids as terror teaching institutes because they are teaching the Holly Qur'an to children. Not only USA but also others who call us terrorists. First see your country then others. Every human has the right to save himself. When USA attacks Iraq & Afghanistan then it is being called against terrorism and when Iraq & Afghanistan defend themselves then it is being called terrorism. For God's sake please think about those little children who were killed in the Air Attacks on Iraq, Afghanistan & Lebanon. Could these little souls cause terror?
[3] Its good for you to know that we muslims never lie.
[4] Who created you? You are self-made without any error? This Universe is operating without any operator? Ah great! Think before you write!
[5] Islam never said that Earth is flat. [5.2] Qur'an never said that comets are God-sent missiles. But the christians said. [5.3] And females are inferior to males but still Islam gives rights to females. [5.4] and also we don't believe in any Santa Claus!
[6] For your kind information, I would like to tell you that Qur'an is a book of 'Signs'. We cant explain everthing because still we are not so much advance in our thinking. The things which we don't understand now, maybe our future generations would understand better than us. So every scholar of Islam doesn't change any principal rule of Islam but explains it according to his thinking.
[7] Please tell any coz I am also in the mood of laughing!
[8] The fact is this that you are ignorant! You just don't want to listen! Who the hell is forcing you? They are just inviting you to think!
Allah clearly says in Qur'an :
"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error"
and
"To you be your religion and to me my religion"
[1] First, I don't even know who Arun Shourie is. Second, in which way should I prove that I have read the Qu'ran? Ask me something.
[2] Okay now I am SICK of you Muslims whining and crying all the time about America. Just because I am anti-Islam (I am anti-religion anyway) doesn't mean I am pro-America. I hate G. W. Bush to make it clear and so do many Americans. I don't care if America terms Muslims are terrorists, I don't give a damn about that. That's not why I am anti-Islam. I am not even American or someone who fancies Americana. I hate 50 Cent and GTA series is JUST a game and nothing more than that. It depends on how mature you are to take in the content in the correct way. And it so seems you aren't enough. America's "fight against terrorism" is terrorism and I agree with that.
"Terrorism as defined by official U.S. documents is the calculated use of violence or threat of violence,
to obtain goals that are political, religious, or ideological instate. A labeled rouge state, look at your self." - Rody Walker (vocals, Protest the Hero) in the song 'These Colors Don't Run'
I don't support Osama, neither do I support Bush, so just shut up!
[3] That itself is a lie.
[4] I am not self-made, neither do I have a creator. No one and nothing in this world is perfect. That's one of the most ignorant statements Theists make. The very reason Universe doesn't have a Clockmaker is because it's not a Clockwork and neither can it be compared to one. It's about time you start thinking. The presence of a Creator still doesn't justify Qu'ran in the remotest way.
[5] You seem to be unaware of 3 of the most widely used translations.
YUSUFALI: "And the earth, moreover, hath He extended (to a wide expanse);"
PICKTHAL: "And after that He spread the earth,"
SHAKIR: "And the earth, He expanded it after that".
- Qu'ran, Chapter 79, Verse 30
This was of course, only until Zakir Naik and Harun Yahya wanted to manipulate them and make them look more "scientific".
"And we have made the earth egg shaped".
- Qur'an, Chapter 79, Verse 30
I can't believe in a God who can't comprehend basic Physics and acknowledge that the shape of the Earth is not constant and keeps on changing due to Centrifugal force and the climatic changes. Allah didn't pass High School, I guess.
[5.2] Comets and shooting stars were said to be used by Allah to kill the Jinns who were "overhearing" the Qu'ran by making a ladder between Heaven and Earth. The Qu'ranic idea of cosmological layers is as absurd as it gets. Surah 72 clearly states that the Jinns who used to form a ladder by climbing upon one another towards Heaven overhearing the discussions were then burnt and the ladder was destroyed by "guided" stars and meteoroids. I wonder who was Allah discussing anything with if he's the only perfect being up there in Heaven.
[5.3] So you do agree that females are inferior to males in the Qu'ran? Isn't that sexism on Allah's part to make them inferior to males? "Islam gives rights to females"- as if females were deprived of rights all along. Islam disgraces and does injustice in every way. Don't the females have sexual urges, then why shouldn't the males wear a Hijab too? Why should the daughter only get half the inheritance that the son gets? Just some of the inequalities. There are many. Why can't a woman marry many males and why just Polygamy?
[6] The Qu'ran clearly is commands and laws, there are no "signs". You believe that our thinking can advance or isn't as advanced as it should be now? Why did Allah "design" us in this way? Why did Allah say that he'd preserve Qu'ran and it would hold true for all coming centuries. Was he so weak that he couldn't save his old words from manipulation?
[7] Go watch YouTube. There are plenty of videos there.
[8] Hypocrisy. Guess the hypocrite-hater Allah was a hypocrite himself. Why are we promised Hell when to me it's my religion and to you it's yours? No compulsion in religion? Then why has Allah promised to burn us in hell unless we convert to Islam?
QUOTE(jlhaslip @ Jan 2 2008, 03:31 AM)
Source:
http://bahai-library.com/writings/bahaullah/pb/1.htmlEssentially, wouldn't it be great if Schools received funding at the same level as the Armed Forces, and the Air Force needed to sell cookies to raise money for the Bombs?
Seriously, is it impossible that the different factions can not set aside their differences for the benefit of all mankind?
The problem is Humanity is out of question when all you are is a slave with a lost soul and your only goal is to service God and not mankind. Human beings can be really easily overlooked for the pleasure and service of Allah, God or whatever.
It is an interesting read nonetheless. I can't believe the Church is filled with so many seats where I see so many individual-run schools for the under-privileged with students sitting on grounds. I don't understand why the money Vatican receives can't be used for Stem cell research and Cancer curing researches. I don't understand why so much of land is wasted on building temples when we are anyways running out of land and are getting into deforestation.
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