lady
Dec 30 2007, 07:57 AM
| | Hey, I am a muslim and I want the whole world to understand that islam is a religion of peace. Ok, the Al-Qaida is a group of muslim terrorists but hey, not all muslims for part of that group. I for one,and most families in my country are against terrorism. you can't imagine how much it hurts to be judged because of other people's actions. |
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Bruce517
Dec 30 2007, 08:22 AM
QUOTE(lady @ Dec 30 2007, 01:57 AM)  Hey, I am a muslim and I want the whole world to understand that islam is a religion of peace. Ok, the Al-Qaida is a group of muslim terrorists but hey, not all muslims for part of that group. I for one,and most families in my country are against terrorism. you can't imagine how much it hurts to be judged because of other people's actions. I nearly feel your pain but i cannot for i haven't been in the situation but i realize how ignorant the majority of us Americans can be also other countries. And i am sorry for what they think. Also realize that we are fed propaganda along with everyone. But it is no excuse.
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musicmaza
Dec 30 2007, 08:33 AM
Yes its true,All the muslims are not bad,every one is not bad ,but guys like Al-Qaida aren't good.I think that they shouldn't harm so many people.But who can make terrorists like Al-Qaida understand,they just like killing other people. Well I understand your problem and I think its really bad that some people think that all the muslims are bad.Due to terrorists like Al-Qaida,people think that all the muslims are bad . And also there have been rumors that Al -qaida was responsible for the death of Benazir Bhutto .,its really bad to kill such a great political leader.
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mahirharoon
Dec 30 2007, 12:54 PM
QUOTE(musicmaza @ Dec 30 2007, 12:03 PM)  Yes its true,All the muslims are not bad,every one is not bad ,but guys like Al-Qaida aren't good.I think that they shouldn't harm so many people.But who can make terrorists like Al-Qaida understand,they just like killing other people. Well I understand your problem and I think its really bad that some people think that all the muslims are bad.Due to terrorists like Al-Qaida,people think that all the muslims are bad . bush and the america army are doing the same thing (killing people for nothing QUOTE And also there have been rumors that Al -qaida was responsible for the death of Benazir Bhutto .,its really bad to kill such a great political leader. al Qaida said that it did not do it maybe the current president did it because he benefits whith it
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musicmaza
Dec 30 2007, 01:14 PM
QUOTE al Qaida said that it did not do it maybe the current president did it because he benefits whith it yes I thought the same,I really can't understand what the current president wants-First he called an emergency and then he may have killed Benazir Bhutto.I think he just was afraid of loosing his throne to Benazir Bhutto
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lady
Dec 30 2007, 03:18 PM
I completely agree that the Al Qaida is wrong. I mean I went to visit twin towers before the attack and then last year I saw ground zero, it was horrible... I'm believe completely in peace and I hate war..I believe islam is a religion of peace, the message has been wrongly understood by some people...
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wailedhero
Dec 31 2007, 11:24 PM
Assalam-o-Alaikum! (Peace be upon You) Media is showing Islam in the wrong way. The non-muslims are using the weapon of media to embarace Islam. We muslims should use Media to spread Islam. I love Dr Zakir Naik & Shaikh Ahmad Deedat! The way they remove the misconceptions from the minds of the non-muslims is great. We all should pray for them. They are striving to present Islam in the correct way (In simple, they are doing Jihad). We should first strive to be good human beings and then strive to spread Islam i.e. Da'Wah (Invitation). There are many ways to do that but its our ignorance because of which many non-muslims have misconceptions about Islam.
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sylenzednuke
Jan 1 2008, 05:52 AM
QUOTE(lady @ Dec 30 2007, 01:27 PM)  I am a muslim and I want the whole world to understand that islam is a religion of peace. Ok, the Al-Qaida is a group of muslim terrorists but hey, not all muslims for part of that group. I for one,and most families in my country are against terrorism. you can't imagine how much it hurts to be judged because of other people's actions. Have heard this argument way too many times, finally decided to read and try and understand the Qu'ran myself. Which when I did, was quite happy too so I won't be fooled again. If rape, terrorism, sexism, racism and much more is considered peace, then Islam definitely is a religion of peace. Muslim "terrorists" are just people who've actually understood the Qu'ran and the Hadith well. If you're against terrorism, I am more than glad to know as I am too. But defending your belief by lying is just not right, even if it's permitted in Islam. And I very well know lying to "safeguard" your religion is very well permitted in Islam. And just imagine how it would've hurt those kids just my age to lose their parents 'cause someone else wanted to believe that the Earth was flat, comets are God-sent missiles and females are in any way inferior to males. Not trying to get into any religious debate here but I guess in this century we are way more enlightened and sophisticated to finally grow up and forget Santa Claus. QUOTE(musicmaza @ Dec 30 2007, 06:44 PM)  yes I thought the same,I really can't understand what the current president wants-First he called an emergency and then he may have killed Benazir Bhutto.I think he just was afraid of loosing his throne to Benazir Bhutto He simply called an Emergency so that Pakistan gets into a state of panic. And it very well did. Although I think this assasination was a joint-effort of the Al-Qaeda and Mussharraf. He gets the throne, they get their breeding grounds safe from Democratic invasions. Both get Theocracy and the Muslim who was speaking like an "infidel" is put to rest forever. QUOTE(lady @ Dec 30 2007, 08:48 PM)  I'm believe completely in peace and I hate war..I believe islam is a religion of peace, the message has been wrongly understood by some people... No one has ever understood the message. Muhammad contradicted what he preached or made other writes in the Qu'ran. All Muslim scholars give in their own interpretations of the various circular-logic based hypocritical verses. I don't blame you that you believe in Islam and Peace at the same time. QUOTE(wailedhero @ Jan 1 2008, 04:54 AM)  [1] Media is showing Islam in the wrong way. [2] The non-muslims are using the weapon of media to embarace Islam. [3] We muslims should use Media to spread Islam. [4] I love Dr Zakir Naik & Shaikh Ahmad Deedat! [5] The way they remove the misconceptions from the minds of the non-muslims is great. We all should pray for them. They are striving to present Islam in the correct way (In simple, they are doing Jihad). [6] We should first strive to be good human beings and then strive to spread Islam i.e. Da'Wah (Invitation). [7] There are many ways to do that but its our ignorance because of which many non-muslims have misconceptions about Islam. [1] I never needed the Media to make me realize how disgusting Islam was. [2] Say something new. [3] Why do you need Media? Learn from villages in Pakistan and many Islamic countries and breed 11 children per wife. That works faster than Media. [4] I love them too, including Harun Yahya. For making me laugh all the time with their awfully funny attempts at trying to be making any sort of sense. [5] And it's permitted in the Qu'ran too. Although it's kinda sad how Zakir and Harun manipulated the Qu'ran in the steps of the early scholars to again "safeguard" the "never-to-be-manipulated" religion of Islam. [6] Some contradictory goals there. [7] No one needs you to tell us when we've got the Qu'ran for ourselves. I don't want hate-posts in reply. And I don't want anyone to preach me. If you want me to explain why I think Islam is what I think it is, all you need to do is ask.
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Saint_Michael
Jan 1 2008, 06:56 AM
Well me personally I think religion is complete bull and used to harness power it was obvious i nthe history books during the crusades, ottoman empire. What I find interesting is that Muhammand was the complete opposite before Islam was form and even when he did start it he was still fighting to gain power during its early years. Not one religion throughout human history has been of peace its that obvious, and its very sad that people preach it and yet don't follow it. I will tell you this try to convert me and see what happens, thats all I have to say on that, because why should I convert so you won't blow me up or kill me. On top of that Islam is so distorted that every Islamic leader made sure no one has equal rights and rights in general. Me personally the universe was created through the form of silence, and if there is a so call god prove it. You got characters in a books who might have not even existed, and there is no factual proof except word of mouth that they actually live. On top of that all these religious secrets are just plain stupid, but again its all about maintaining power through fear of you going to hell, and I say living here is in relaity hell itself because really peace will never happen even if you knock off all the evil leaders in the world. I joke about this but the first person that comes to my door trying to convert I will slap the hell out of them, because I don't need some preacher tell me what I can and cannot do. I am the judge of that and I know whats right or wrong because of what I believe and know. Now I will agree not all muslims are bad but when you wave money in people's faces they will do anything you say, just because they believe that money will help their poor family. Everyone knows money is the root of all evil and everyone knows it, but add a bit of religion to it and that thought fades away. Its all about power but no one wants to believe in it because its leader made sure its not possible, yeah I go to all of 2-3 times thats about it so people can't say I am a complete hipocrit on religion and all that. To finish up though don't convince me that your religion is of peace but convince though who warp it and use it for evil intensions.
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omarsdali
Jan 1 2008, 05:05 PM
QUOTE Have heard this argument way too many times, finally decided to read and try and understand the Qu'ran myself. Which when I did, was quite happy too so I won't be fooled again. If rape, terrorism, sexism, racism and much more is considered peace, then Islam definitely is a religion of peace. Muslim "terrorists" are just people who've actually understood the Qu'ran and the Hadith well.
You obviously didn't try hard enough, if you look at the five pillars of Islam, there is no rape, terrorism, sexism, racism, I don't know where you got them from, but when Islam first came it brought equality between the master and the slave, and gave women their rights including the right to inherit, when before she was being inherited herself. QUOTE But defending your belief by lying is just not right, even if it's permitted in Islam. And I very well know lying to "safeguard" your religion is very well permitted in Islam. He has no need to defend his religion because it's not in danger, so there is no need for lying.. QUOTE No one has ever understood the message. Muhammad contradicted what he preached or made other writes in the Qu'ran. All Muslim scholars give in their own interpretations of the various circular-logic based hypocritical verses. I don't blame you that you believe in Islam and Peace at the same time.
Give examples please. And don't forget that you should take into account the time period when the aya was revealed when trying to understand it's meaning. for example, in Islam drinking alcohol is forbiden, but there is one verse in the quran that says dont pray when you are drunk, you may think it's contradictory but when Islam first came drinking wasn't forbiden and Islam didn't that in steps, first by forbiding being drunk when praying, and then by completely prohibiting it. QUOTE [1] I never needed the Media to make me realize how disgusting Islam was. It's still a fact. And the other day there was a muslim actor from hollywood talking on the radio and he said he always gets the same role in the movies, a muslim terrorist, and he always get the same line, "in the name of Allah I will kill you". QUOTE [3]Why do you need Media? Learn from villages in Pakistan and many Islamic countries and breed 11 children per wife. That works faster than Media. because he wants to educate people about what Islam really is. QUOTE [6]Some contradictory goals there. Where is the contradiction ? QUOTE [7]No one needs you to tell us when we've got the Qu'ran for ourselves. Not many americans have a copy of the quran, and even the ones who do probably don't read it. I know my uncle still didn't read the copy he has. QUOTE I don't want hate-posts in reply. And I don't want anyone to preach me. If you want me to explain why I think Islam is what I think it is, all you need to do is ask. Why ?
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mikeyboy63
May 12 2008, 07:05 PM
When Moses came down from the mountain with the TEN Commandments in hand, the first being thou shalt not kill, he saw a new statue of some animal, so Moses sent soldiers to the local village to slaughter over 3000 people! Maybe Moses should have read the Ten Commandments. lol All of these religions are hypocritical, saying peace from one side of their mouth and war from the other side. For Christians and Jews to attack Islam and vice versa is the pot calling the kettle black.
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Erdemir
May 12 2008, 03:56 PM
QUOTE(lady @ Dec 30 2007, 10:57 AM)  Hey, I am a muslim and I want the whole world to understand that islam is a religion of peace. Ok, the Al-Qaida is a group of muslim terrorists but hey, not all muslims for part of that group. I for one,and most families in my country are against terrorism. you can't imagine how much it hurts to be judged because of other people's actions. Hey! What are you saying? I am sure you are not a muslim and you are aganist the muslims. Because which muslim can say "muslim terrorist". There can not be muslim terrorists. Right one is "Terrorism has no religion." Think what you are saying!
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sylenzednuke
Apr 26 2008, 12:38 AM
QUOTE(heavensounds @ Apr 10 2008, 10:09 PM)  Well, I don't know what you've read then. It certainly wasn't qu'ran! If you don't know what I read, you can't be sure that it wasn't Qur'an. QUOTE(heavensounds @ Apr 10 2008, 10:09 PM)  Let's look at the history of Islam:
During the whole previous century, Muslim land was colonized and we all know why! The greed of occidentals led them to kill many innocent people, stole most of the wealth in those countries, made profit on the suffering of millions poor people, being unable to defend themselves. After that, when they left, they have chosen the people who will stay in governance on these countries... first, after they have divided the ottoman empire, they have chosen kings, presidents and even whole governments, who accepted to be the representatives of occidental policy and affairs, under the masks of country dirigent. these kings and presidents, are just put there. They are just obeying the command from people, who are superior in the hierarchy, which means America, Israel and Europe. Their true mission is to maintain division between Muslim brothers, their mission is to maintain ignorance between Muslims, their mission is to make the land of Islam the furthest possible from real, true Islam.
Laws in Islamic countries are broken, since alcohol is publicly sold, since the ill and orphans are not well treated, since the rich forgets the poor, since everybody lies, since everybody takes corruption, since banks get interests... The Arab leaders' mission is to maintain this, since they have to chose, either to be with their people against occidental unjust policy, or to be with the occident against their people.
The occident knows very well how Islam can change Arab people...this actually happened 1400 ago... when true Islam came, Arabs were just like we see them now... fighting one another, ignorants, cheaters, corrupted, and prisoners of roman and persian policies... Now, here we go again. Muslims have been exploited, just like it happens in every century to someone or the other. But it's completely irrelevant to the genuineness of the Qur'an. If asking for sympathy is the way you think Islam can be proven right, then you're sadly mistaken. You're just making a boring joke of yourself. QUOTE(heavensounds @ Apr 10 2008, 10:09 PM)  Islam, TRUE Islam, made them change RADICALLY in 20 years and after less than 100 years, when the Islam vibration continued from Spain to India, great developments were made, racism had disappeared, inequity was stranger to Muslim land, since the zakat ( purification of money) helped to insure the poor. Still, the occident and Israel know all this very well, that's why they are engaged in this war against Islam... they do the best possible to mislead people... now Islam is shown as a religion of terrorism and violence, thanks to the American media, network, the internet, and to those cheaters who kill innocent people in the name of god... A threat to be burnt in hell, in a book which promises to be true. A book which uses pseudo-Science to prove itself to be a word of God that can only appease cavemen or the ignorant. This can make anyone change. The Mughal emperors of India were one of the best this World will ever know. No wonder Akbar deviated from Islam and went on to form his own religion. No wonder the Mullahs were so pissed off every now and then at most of them. Deviating from the overly-accused America for awhile and examining things in a bit more general way, "Islam literally translates to Peace" is a propaganda while reading an Arabic dictionary and discovering that Islam means "slavery to God" is something I think is just ... right. Gets you thinking, isn't it? And no, terrorists aren't cheaters. You are. QUOTE(heavensounds @ Apr 10 2008, 10:09 PM)  Come on people, we are humans, we have brains, we should think, ask, look for answers, read about history, about future, and about TRUE ISLAM. I am Human. I have a brain. I did think. I did look for answers. I did read about History. And thus I landed up onto the conclusion that women getting half the inheritance of their male counterparts just cannot be accepted as equality. That the impossibility to prove a rape is something good that Islam brought to the World, cannot be agreed by me. That comets are God-sent missiles to destroy the tower of Jinns, is anything close to reality is something I cannot believe in. I cannot overlook the hundreds of contradictions in the Qur'an and I cannot stand Taqqiya. I cannot overlook the Hadith itself mentioning that many of the Sharia laws were peddled by Muhammad himself. That Allah is anywhere near merciful when he promises to furl the fire of Hell with infidels, is something I cannot believe in. I cannot believe in Islam being a peaceful and tolerant religion when one of the most important duties it bestows upon a Muslim is to eradicate all faith but Islam. I cannot overlook what a disgusting joke Islam is. QUOTE(heavensounds @ Apr 10 2008, 10:09 PM)  Then how can Muslims be real Muslims and kill innocent people? I'd like to say where exactly he said that. And then you'd be surprised to know how there are 5 contradictory verses for each verse you give me. QUOTE(heavensounds @ Apr 10 2008, 10:09 PM)  TERRORISTS ARE NOT MUSLIMS, THEY ARE FALSE MUSLIMS, just LIKE CRUSADERS WERE NOT CHRISTIANS BUT FALSE CHRISTIANS! Go kid your own self. QUOTE(heavensounds @ Apr 10 2008, 10:09 PM)  Do I need to say more to make you people think that all Muslims are maybe not that bad and that Islam is something GOOD and POSITIVE?? Yes, you need to say alot more than this, since this is thoroughly inadequate and inaccurate. Sorry to burst your bubble, but it just is.
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heavensounds
Apr 10 2008, 04:39 PM
QUOTE(sylenzednuke @ Jan 1 2008, 07:52 AM)  Have heard this argument way too many times, finally decided to read and try and understand the Qu'ran myself. Which when I did, was quite happy too so I won't be fooled again. If rape, terrorism, sexism, racism and much more is considered peace, then Islam definitely is a religion of peace. Muslim "terrorists" are just people who've actually understood the Qu'ran and the Hadith well. Well, I don't know what you've read then. It certainly wasn't qu'ran! Let's look at the history of Islam: During the whole previous century, Muslim land was colonized and we all know why! The greed of occidentals led them to kill many innocent people, stole most of the wealth in those countries, made profit on the suffering of millions poor people, being unable to defend themselves. After that, when they left, they have chosen the people who will stay in governance on these countries... first, after they have divided the ottoman empire, they have chosen kings, presidents and even whole governments, who accepted to be the representatives of occidental policy and affairs, under the masks of country dirigent. these kings and presidents, are just put there. They are just obeying the command from people, who are superior in the hierarchy, which means America, Israel and Europe. Their true mission is to maintain division between Muslim brothers, their mission is to maintain ignorance between Muslims, their mission is to make the land of Islam the furthest possible from real, true Islam. Laws in Islamic countries are broken, since alcohol is publicly sold, since the ill and orphans are not well treated, since the rich forgets the poor, since everybody lies, since everybody takes corruption, since banks get interests... The Arab leaders' mission is to maintain this, since they have to chose, either to be with their people against occidental unjust policy, or to be with the occident against their people. The occident knows very well how Islam can change Arab people...this actually happened 1400 ago... when true Islam came, Arabs were just like we see them now... fighting one another, ignorants, cheaters, corrupted, and prisoners of roman and persian policies... Islam, TRUE Islam, made them change RADICALLY in 20 years and after less than 100 years, when the Islam vibration continued from Spain to India, great developments were made, racism had disappeared, inequity was stranger to Muslim land, since the zakat ( purification of money) helped to insure the poor. Still, the occident and Israel know all this very well, that's why they are engaged in this war against Islam... they do the best possible to mislead people... now Islam is shown as a religion of terrorism and violence, thanks to the American media, network, the internet, and to those cheaters who kill innocent people in the name of god... Come on people, we are humans, we have brains, we should think, ask, look for answers, read about history, about future, and about TRUE ISLAM. Let's look at the qu'ran now and see what true islam actually is. Mohammad said: QUOTE Who ever kills one innocent soul, will be punished as if he killed all mankind! Then how can Muslims be real Muslims and kill innocent people? Think like this: TERRORISTS ARE NOT MUSLIMS, THEY ARE FALSE MUSLIMS, just LIKE CRUSADERS WERE NOT CHRISTIANS BUT FALSE CHRISTIANS! Mohammad also said: QUOTE There's NO DIFFERENCE between Arabs and non Arabs NO DIFFERENCE between black people and white people. The ONE thing that makes difference is fear of THE GOD Do I need to say more to make you people think that all Muslims are maybe not that bad and that Islam is something GOOD and POSITIVE??
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Ucrg
Apr 10 2008, 03:42 PM
QUOTE(kasm @ Feb 12 2008, 09:37 AM)  1. Please be specific and not generic. We here to learn from one to another.
The extremists still using these verses to justify their nasty actions.
I for one condemn those extremists, they are terrorizing people for some purpose that IS NOT Islam and the people who follow them are sadly mistaken. QUOTE(kasm @ Feb 12 2008, 09:37 AM)  3. Also you have to teach us by telling how Islam was spread to Egypt , all countries of North Africa, Spain, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afganstan, India, Pakstan, Bangaladish, Turkey, Bosnia, Albania, Islamic republics of former Soviet Republics, Mangolia, etc...
Conquest of Hearts my friend. The wars that were fought afterwards were not primarily for 'spreading Islam'. QUOTE(kasm @ Feb 12 2008, 09:37 AM)  5. We want to learn from you and you also have to learn and think what happened in the history without any prejudice or be leaded with other interpetation. We are here to exchange knowledge
The History is crippled by the conquerer, you can never learn historical truth by reading those books.
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