How We'll Get Back To The Moon - in 2018!!!!!

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QUOTE(Cerebral Stasis @ Nov 5 2005, 04:51 PM)The moon is the closest abundant source of helium 3 that there is (helium 3 can potentially be used in a completely emissions-free fusion reactor).Concerning comments about the moon taking less fuel for spacecraft launches than Earth, although this is true, that 1/6 of Earth's gravity is still a big waste of fuel. More likely is that all large ... read more.
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How We'll Get Back To The Moon - in 2018!!!!!

tdktank59
I found this artical on http://www.nasa.gov/missions/solarsystem/cev.html
I found it very interesting what Nasa and our goverment are doing as far as getting to the moon!!! and setting up a base out there for future missions to mars!!!

so have fun to view the picture go to the site above they are pretty cool if you ask me!!!

THey are reverting back to the old Apollo design spaceships and have implemented new features as you can read below...

Have fun

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How We'll Get Back to the Moon

09.22.05

Crew Exploration Vehicle Before the end of the next decade, NASA astronauts will again explore the surface of the moon. And this time, we're going to stay, building outposts and paving the way for eventual journeys to Mars and beyond. There are echoes of the iconic images of the past, but it won't be your grandfather's moon shot.

Image left: NASA's new crew exploration vehicle in lunar orbit. Click to enlarge. Artist's concept by John Frassanito and Associates.

This journey begins soon, with development of a new spaceship. Building on the best of Apollo and shuttle technology, NASA's creating a 21st century exploration system that will be affordable, reliable, versatile, and safe.

The centerpiece of this system is a new spacecraft designed to carry four astronauts to and from the moon, support up to six crewmembers on future missions to Mars, and deliver crew and supplies to the International Space Station.

The new crew vehicle will be shaped like an Apollo capsule, but it will be three times larger, allowing four astronauts to travel to the moon at a time.

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The new spacecraft has solar panels to provide power, and both the capsule and the lunar lander use liquid methane in their engines. Why methane? NASA is thinking ahead, planning for a day when future astronauts can convert Martian atmospheric resources into methane fuel.

The new ship can be reused up to 10 times. After the craft parachutes to dry land (with a splashdown as a backup option), NASA can easily recover it, replace the heat shield and launch it again.

Coupled with the new lunar lander, the system sends twice as many astronauts to the surface as Apollo, and they can stay longer, with the initial missions lasting four to seven days. And while Apollo was limited to landings along the moon's equator, the new ship carries enough propellant to land anywhere on the moon's surface.

Once a lunar outpost is established, crews could remain on the lunar surface for up to six months. The spacecraft can also operate without a crew in lunar orbit, eliminating the need for one astronaut to stay behind while others explore the surface.

Safe and reliable

The launch system that will get the crew off the ground builds on powerful, reliable shuttle propulsion elements. Astronauts will launch on a rocket made up of a single shuttle solid rocket booster, with a second stage powered by a shuttle main engine.

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A second, heavy-lift system uses a pair of longer solid rocket boosters and five shuttle main engines to put up to 125 metric tons in orbit -- about one and a half times the weight of a shuttle orbiter. This versatile system will be used to carry cargo and to put the components needed to go to the moon and Mars into orbit. The heavy-lift rocket can be modified to carry crew as well.

Best of all, these launch systems are 10 times safer than the shuttle because of an escape rocket on top of the capsule that can quickly blast the crew away if launch problems develop. There's also little chance of damage from launch vehicle debris, since the capsule sits on top of the rocket.

The Flight Plan

In just five years, the new ship will begin to ferry crew and supplies to the International Space Station. Plans call for as many as six trips to the outpost a year. In the meantime, robotic missions will lay the groundwork for lunar exploration. In 2018, humans will return to the moon. Here's how a mission would unfold:

A heavy-lift rocket blasts off, carrying a lunar lander and a "departure stage" needed to leave Earth's orbit (below left). The crew launches separately (below, center), then docks their capsule with the lander and departure stage and heads for the moon (below, right).

engineering graphics and artwork by John Frassanito and Associates depict a lunar flight plan.

Three days later, the crew goes into lunar orbit (below, left). The four astronauts climb into the lander, leaving the capsule to wait for them in orbit. After landing and exploring the surface for seven days, the crew blasts off in a portion of the lander (below, center), docks with the capsule and travels back to Earth. After a de-orbit burn, the service module is jettisoned, exposing the heat shield for the first time in the mission. The parachutes deploy, the heat shield is dropped and the capsule sets down on dry land (below, right).

engineering graphics and artwork by John Frassanito and Associates depict a lunar flight plan.

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'Into the Cosmos'

With a minimum of two lunar missions per year, momentum will build quickly toward a permanent outpost. Crews will stay longer and learn to exploit the moon's resources, while landers make one way trips to deliver cargo. Eventually, the new system could rotate crews to and from a lunar outpost every six months.

Planners are already looking at the lunar south pole as a candidate for an outpost because of concentrations of hydrogen thought to be in the form of water ice, and an abundance of sunlight to provide power.

New lunar lander Image right: Four astronauts could land on the moon in the new lander. Click to enlarge. Artist's concept by John Frassanito and Associates.

These plans give NASA a huge head start in getting to Mars. We will already have the heavy-lift system needed to get there, as well as a versatile crew capsule and propulsion systems that can make use of Martian resources. A lunar outpost just three days away from Earth will give us needed practice of "living off the land" away from our home planet, before making the longer trek to Mars.

As President Bush said when he announced the Vision for Space Exploration, "Humans are headed into the cosmos." Now we know how we'll get there.

 

 

 


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s243a
I have been interested in space for quite some time and I was very happy when bush announced the vision for space exploration. For two long we have been flying in circles in LEO on a vehicle which is unsafe and hopelessly expensive. Finally NASA is given direction to use the money it gets to go forward and not in circles. I hope that future administrations continue this valiant effort to advance the technology that will allow us to survive in the hashes places and utilize resources in places that we have barley begun to set foot on.

It is interesting that the push back into space seems to coincide with a general shift in public concern towards preparing natural disasters both man made and of natural occurrence. By developing engineering survive and prosper in the most extreme places will go along way towards helping prepare humankind for whatever the future might entail.

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tdktank59
QUOTE(s243a @ Oct 26 2005, 08:14 PM)
I have been interested in space for quite some time and I was very happy when bush announced the vision for space exploration. For two long we have been flying in circles in LEO on a vehicle which is unsafe and hopelessly expensive. Finally NASA is given direction to use the money it gets to go forward and not in circles. I hope that future administrations continue this valiant effort to advance the technology that will allow us to survive in the hashes places and utilize resources in places that we have barley begun to set foot on.

It is interesting that the push back into space seems to coincide with a general shift in public concern towards preparing natural disasters both man made and of natural occurrence. By developing engineering survive and prosper in the most extreme places will go along way towards helping prepare humankind for whatever the future might entail.
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very nice lol... lost myself in your wording tho but exelent!!! im glad to see im not the only one...

Just as soonas we can start living in space and start colonizing elsewhere this will work out great!!!!

who knows this may end up being one of those Hitch Hiker Guide's things lol where the rest of the universe is so far beyond our point in technology and that we are all a big *arse* computer program lol...

 

 

 


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s243a
QUOTE(tdktank59 @ Oct 26 2005, 11:50 PM)
very nice lol... lost myself in your wording tho but exelent!!! im glad to see im not the only one...

Just as soonas we can start living in space and start colonizing elsewhere this will work out great!!!!

who knows this may end up being one of those Hitch Hiker Guide's things lol where the rest of the universe is so far beyond our point in technology and that we are all a big *arse* computer program lol...
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I don’t expect to come across aliens any time soon considering the vast distance of space and the extreme amounts of energy necessary to create a warp drive. Getting back to the current situation you might find the following interview interesting:
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=18122
Also there are many people interested in space, many advocacy groups and many discussion groups. My favorite advocacy group for space is the mars society.
http://www.marssociety.org/

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tuddy
Whats so good about the Moon? ... Its a big piece of Rock that has nothing on it. I mean you can walk on there and leave a footprint forever, get over it.

Earth is where we were born, earth has computers, money, water, food, females/males. so who cares?

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sangdukseo
The moon's gonna be reached by either China or a private venture. The government is not effiecient enough to put a big project like this together before someone else does, most likely a private business. And for tuddy, space exploration has practical benefits, not just the "It's man's destiny" bs. If earth's environment begins to deteriote at an accelerated pace due to human actions, we may be forced to go find a new place to live. Gotta think big man.

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wild20
This is awesome. They were going for mars in the year 2018 though. I wonder why they changed it? Oh well. The mission will be great. Never have we set up a colony on any planet before besides ours. The moon will definitely be a good starter goal.

I seriously believe that if we don't plan very carefully for the mars trip though, that we will lose the lives of every one on board. Why? The mission to mars will require a long journey just to get to mars, then we have to get them back. If anything goes wrong, you will be in a time where you will have thirty minute intervals between talking, due to the long range between us and them. If communication fails, then what do you do? We must be careful and unhurried. Remeber apollo thirteen?, and the accident that happened while preparing for the mission? It was all in a hurry. So while this is a good idea, we need to be careful too.

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Ryo
ive posted another topic of how much i hate the space shuttle design and the appolo design isnt much better. We should be working toward a new type of propulsion that will quickly and effictivally work form the air to space with no rockets. I think these new age missions to the moon will be cool i really want to visit the moon someday that would be real cool.

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floresid
I can see why people want to go the moon/mars and so on, but seriously we have so many issues here @ home, yet we give billions to NASA every year to play w their toys. I bet if we took one year off of NASA's budget, we could get a heck of a start on fixing social security, lowering our national interest rates, feeding the homeless, or a number of other things out country is lacking in.

I don't see why it has to be America's checkbook that pays this bill. What happened to joint ventures? If it's man's destiny, or it will benefit "all of mankind" why are we the only ones paying for it? If it will fit four astronauts, then let four countries split the bill and send one from each. The race to the moon is over, now it's time to look at realistic ways of really making it affordable and plausable to move forward, and I believe it should be a joint venture.

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bureX
Don't think that NASA doesn't know that it takes radio waves allot of time to reach the crew! All NASA satellites are even more distant from Earth, but they still "survived" in space because they don’t require new information to be received every few seconds or minutes. The crew is well trained in case of an emergency, and they also have an escape capsule! Pretty neat! Finally NASA took care of that severe security problem... Still, if man could land on the Moon back then, there's no doubt that we can do it again, but this time (I hope) we are here to stay! It looks like NASA is trying to give astronauts a chance to actually live on another planet by learning to exploit it's resources. If they find a way to do that, then this is going to be another small step for a man, and another giant for mankind!

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QUOTE(Cerebral Stasis @ Nov 5 2005, 04:51 PM)
The moon is the closest abundant source of helium 3 that there is (helium 3 can potentially be used in a completely emissions-free fusion reactor).

Concerning comments about the moon taking less fuel for spacecraft launches than Earth, although this is true, that 1/6 of Earth's gravity is still a big waste of fuel. More likely is that all large spacecraft will eventually be built and operated only in space (passengers would be taken to the station using a method similar to those used by SpaceShipOne). There has been an idea to make a space station that is in geosynchronous orbit with the Earth and connects to the ground by a powerful cord on which an elevator of sorts would run, completely eliminating the needs for launch fuel.

I'm completely for the ideas of grounding the space shuttles; after 20 years, NASA should be able to come up with something a bit better. However, I'm not too anxious concerning their current replacement vehicle ideas; they appear to be small and almost a step backward.

I think that space colonization won't really boom until space tourism gets going (thanks to Virgin Galactic, as well as some small hotel company that wants the first space hotel station up and running by 2010).
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Cerebral dude.. I like how you reply to the posts in here, there's really a lot of meat into it just like this reply you gave, keep it up.

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Cerebral Stasis
It would be good if NASA and the Japanese space programs combine; it wouldn't not only have economical advantages, but chances are the joint effort would improve relationships between our two countries, hopefully strengthening the bond (thus helping to avoid wars over future conflicts).

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Plenoptic
From what I read in a different article NASA doesn't have the money to do all it wants now and has to pay as they can so they are putting off projects. I have read about space shuttles that take people into space to surf the atmosphere for like a couple hundred thousand dollars. They plan on taking people to the moon too. Japan is working on the same program and they are gonna combine. Hopefully when we do get back to the moon we can find out more about it. Japan already is taking an iderect way of finding out more by taking samples from the asteroid this month.

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Cerebral Stasis
The moon is the closest abundant source of helium 3 that there is (helium 3 can potentially be used in a completely emissions-free fusion reactor).

Concerning comments about the moon taking less fuel for spacecraft launches than Earth, although this is true, that 1/6 of Earth's gravity is still a big waste of fuel. More likely is that all large spacecraft will eventually be built and operated only in space (passengers would be taken to the station using a method similar to those used by SpaceShipOne). There has been an idea to make a space station that is in geosynchronous orbit with the Earth and connects to the ground by a powerful cord on which an elevator of sorts would run, completely eliminating the needs for launch fuel.

I'm completely for the ideas of grounding the space shuttles; after 20 years, NASA should be able to come up with something a bit better. However, I'm not too anxious concerning their current replacement vehicle ideas; they appear to be small and almost a step backward.

I think that space colonization won't really boom until space tourism gets going (thanks to Virgin Galactic, as well as some small hotel company that wants the first space hotel station up and running by 2010).

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mcfly
QUOTE(sangdukseo @ Oct 27 2005, 02:12 PM)
The moon's gonna be reached by either China or a private venture.  The government is not effiecient enough to put a big project like this together before someone else does...
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It kills me to agree with this, but I think it might be right.

The Chinese are very focussed right now and are making massive strides. If they can keep it up, it's gonna take everything we have to keep pace.

There are people in-the-know who are saying the VSE is simply not supportable, and will certainly collapse after 2008. If we do somehow manage to make it back to the moon, there's a reasonable chance that the Chinese will already be there to welcome us.

But the NASA Admin recently said that though he expects the US to lead the way back to the moon, it'll likely happen as part of a cooperative international effort. Perhaps that makes the most sense.

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