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QUOTE(Soby @ Sep 3 2007, 03:03 AM) A very informative topic about turbochargers. the good thing about this topic is that it has sources and quotes from different aspect and kind of clears everything off in the turbo chargers aspect.There is one question though i have in this regard. Do they turbo chargers have a limit of specific engines they can be put on or they can be used with any typ... read more.
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musicfreak
i wanna share this will yall...a Turbocharger works with gases that are wasted by the engine and normal air so what it does is puts those two gasses together and sends them in back into the engine...no just because it uses exhaust gasses doesnt mean it uses all of it....it uses only 1/4 of them just so that the combustion will be equal

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Watermonkey
The reason engines are super charged or turbo charged is to cram or force more air down their "throats" then they could do naturally. So there are two kinds of internal combustion engines: Naturally aspirated and charged, either via turbo or by a supercharger which is belt driven. So, basically, a turbo is inserted into the exhaust stream which spins an internal fan to enormous speeds, like around 15,000 RPMs more or less. This fan is connected to another fan outside of the exhaust drawing in fresh air and adding to the volume of air already being drawn in to the engine through the normal intake. This added air is measured in P.S.I. in America but probably measured in atmospheres in other countries. Basically it's simply a measurement of air pressure being delivered to the intake. All this air gets drawn through the air filter before reaching the combustion chamber, being charged with a small amount of combustible aerosolized fuel, and ejected out the exhaust valve and back into the environment. The result of putting a turbo charger(s) on a six cylinder engine is you're able to retain most of the efficiency of the smaller engine while experiencing the power of an engine that's much larger. It's the answer to the old axiom: There's no substitute for cubic inches. The turbo charger is what makes todays diesel engines much more powerful and palatable to many American consumers. Audi released a "R8" a few years ago to add to their flagship line, the "A8". The only difference in the engine was the "R8" has two turbo chargers and upgrades the power to a very impressive 450 horsepower. The naturally aspirated version in the "A8" only generates around 330 Horsepower.

The downside to turbo charging is the physical structure of the engine is often not built to withstand so much torque and power and will often realise a much shorter life then a larger engine with no air charger. Increasing the power output of a smaller engine by 50% or more can cause more stresses on the crankshaft, transmission, cylinder heads and other vital components that it's simply not worth it unless you're planning on it only living long enough to win that race. The reason turbos are more commonly used in diesel engines is because these engines are built of better materials, they're heavier, and just plain more rugged. Turbos have no adverse impact on diesel engines that I'm aware of. Many over the road tractors, most even, get way over 500,000 miles before their first overhaul and they operate under severe loads all day long most of the time. Car manufacturers, on the other hand, use turbos much of the time as a way to save space, to cheat. They want the big power of a big V8 but they also want a light weight car that is small and gets good or better fuel economy. The turbo is a very high stress moving part, too, to add to the potential list of broken parts that can cost money to replace down the road and the turbo requires better motor oil to keep it cool and operating properly. Many people abuse and/or neglect their turbos and sell their cars before they breakdown. Buyer beware! Buying a used car with turbo, even in a diesel, can possibly cost a lot of money down the road a bit. I think I'd stick to Audi for turbos when thinking of gasoline powered cars. I'm not so picky when thinking about diesel engines though. Weather it's German or American I think diesels are far more reliable and much better built then most any gas engines.

I hope I've added some much needed insight to the subject of air injection. I forgot to mention there's also the old-school method of injecting air called Ram Injection that's been used for many decades with a lot of success. Basically, you've got scoops in your hood and the faster you go the more air is forced into the motor. Kinda ruins the aerodynamics of the car though...

 

 

 


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musicfreak
Very nice article dude...but shouldnt just copy and paste...the ideas comes off of ur mind not the internet...and where ever u ggot it from please put the link

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Codemaster Snake
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In this article we will discuss how a turbo charger works and its advantages & disadvantages.

Firstly we shall discuss how a turbocharger does work. In theory it is a turbine spun by the exhaust fumes to power an air compressor that links to your engine. Simple enough? Well let me explain why it makes your car faster. In an engine you combine fuel and air to make an explosion that fires a piston. To make a car faster you can add more air or fuel in the ratio 14 parts air to 1 part fuel. So by compressing the air you are putting into the engine you get more air in the same space and therefore make your car faster.

Secondly we will talk about the advantages of a turbocharger. After installing a turbocharger you usually get a 30% - 40% power increase. Also being lightweight this means you are getting a lot of boost without many drawbacks. However there are a few and i will go on to discuss these.

There are some disadvantages too. When you have a turbocharger installed on your car it creates resistance in the flow of your exhaust fumes and therefore slowing your car down slightly however you are still getting a big increase. Another problem is Turbo Lag, this happens because your turbocharger takes time to get up to optimum speed so it isn't compressing as much air. There are ways to get round this like having 2 turbo chargers, decreasing the weight of it or having a waste gate.



SOURCE: http://www.guyshandbook.com/cars/how-does-...rbocharger-work

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Plenoptic
VERY helpful information here Watermonkey. Until I read this article all I knew was that turbochargers help you go faster. My friend has a turbo charged diesel truck and the turbocharger definately makes a difference and helps with the power, it has lasted him 80,000 miles so far without a problem except for when he ran it dry out of diesel. This helped explain a lot though, I never really knew what they did and how they worked and I sort of wondered. It's just one more thing to push the engine to the limit though. My original dream of purchasing a turbo charged Mustang sort of went down the drain though tongue.gif but it will help when I do go to purchase a car or truck. It already helped in my racing game, it explains why I always have damaged cylinder heads.

QUOTE(musicfreak @ Aug 6 2007, 03:49 AM) *
Very nice article dude...but shouldnt just copy and paste...the ideas comes off of ur mind not the internet...and where ever u ggot it from please put the link


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musicfreak
he wasnt just copying and pasteing...he wasnt even the Source link from the page he got it from...thats plagirizm
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reconraiders
turbos do not mix gases from exhaust. Turbochargers use the hot exhaust from an engine to spin a turbine. This turbine propeller is connected to a second propeller by a shaft. The second propeller spins along with the first one, but this one is sucking in cool clean air from outside of the engine and it is forcing the air into the engine. This raises the compression and gives more horsepower.

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9block
Why is cool air better to use in a motor than warm air? I am assuming cool air combusts more because it expands as it heats - but thats just my logic taking a wild guess.

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Watermonkey
QUOTE(9block @ Aug 6 2007, 06:06 PM) *
Why is cool air better to use in a motor than warm air? I am assuming cool air combusts more because it expands as it heats - but thats just my logic taking a wild guess.

Cool air is more dense, thus it contains more oxygen, thus increased explosion in the cylinder when ignited.

Reconraiders: I don't know where you read that a turbo mixes exhaust gasses but if you read my short article you'll see I've described the part of the turbine that is driving the machine as being in the exhaust, but it's turning another turbine (fan) that's outside of the exhaust, pulling in outside air.

Musicfreak:
I wrote up that entire article without using any reference material whatsoever, just pulled it out of my memory and understanding of what I've learned on the topic over time. I've been fascinated with this subject for at least ten years now and I've spent that time thumbing through mags at Wallyworld such as Diesel Power and others reading what I can and continuing to further my understanding. I take it as a compliment, on one hand, that you think I "copied and pasted" the article from somewhere. On the other hand, though, you can not make an accusation like that, EVER, without backing it up. I'd ask you, nicely (for now), to edit your post and retract the accusation. I never would stoop to the level you've accused me of. Put up, or shut up.

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reconraiders
QUOTE(Watermonkey @ Aug 7 2007, 01:24 AM) *
Reconraiders: I don't know where you read that a turbo mixes exhaust gasses but if you read my short article you'll see I've described the part of the turbine that is driving the machine as being in the exhaust, but it's turning another turbine (fan) that's outside of the exhaust, pulling in outside air.

I wrote up that entire article without using any reference material whatsoever, just pulled it out of my memory and understanding of what I've learned on the topic over time. I've been fascinated with this subject for at least ten years now and I've spent that time thumbing through mags at Wallyworld such as Diesel Power and others reading what I can and continuing to further my understanding. I take it as a compliment, on one hand, that you think I "copied and pasted" the article from somewhere. On the other hand, though, you can not make an accusation like that, EVER, without backing it up. I'd ask you, nicely (for now), to edit your post and retract the accusation. I never would stoop to the level you've accused me of. Put up, or shut up.


I was referring to the first post by musicfreak. wink.gif Your post was good. Oh and you're not directing that second part toward me are you? I didn't say anything about you copying and pasting. Your post was much more informative then the first post in the thread.

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Sean Foster
QUOTE(Soby @ Sep 3 2007, 03:03 AM) *
A very informative topic about turbochargers. the good thing about this topic is that it has sources and quotes from different aspect and kind of clears everything off in the turbo chargers aspect.
There is one question though i have in this regard. Do they turbo chargers have a limit of specific engines they can be put on or they can be used with any type of cars. For instance I have a 1000cc cars and a 800cc car, they both operate on petrol or gasoline you may put it. is there by any chace i can put Turbo chargers in them.
Also one more thing. Can turbo chargers work in choesion with NOS. There was also something mentioned about a scoop in the hood cutting the aerodynamics but an old fashioned Turbo charger thingy, if im correct. then can you please elaborate on that?


1) Turbochargers aren't really limited as to which engine they can be used on. In fact, it is the other way around . . . the engine is limited as to which turbocharger you can use on it. As an example, if you used a small turbo on an engine, the turbo may be capable of producing, say, 25psi of boost. This is fine. A larger turbocharger may produce 60psi of boost on the same engine. This may be fine too, as long as the engine can handle it. On the other hand, a small stock engine may handle a tiny turbo capable of producing 7psi of boost, but as soon as you put a larger turbo on it, boom! There is a lot more that goes into deciding which turbo to use for any given engine, but this should give you a good starting point in choosing.

2) Turbochargers work fine with NOS. NOS actually makes more oxygen available in the cylinder in 2 ways: first, the chemical release of oxygen from the NOS, and second, NOS is very cold when sprayed so this cools the air charge which makes the air more dense (more oxygen per liter).

3) Scoops in hoods are used for 2 purposes with regard to the engine: (1) ram air systems, which use the incoming air to force-feed the engine (same principle as a turbo, but is only efficient within a narrow rpm range), and (2) to scoop air to force it through a top-mounted intercooler (see my post above for an explanation on what an intercooler does). One note about top-mount intercoolers: heat rises from the engine and may possibly decrease the efficiency of the top-mounted intercooler. This is why many people prefer to mount the intercooler at the front of the vehicle in front of, or below, the radiator. As far as aerodynamics, scoops add only a minute amount of drag to the vehicle, but the amount of HP you gain by cooling the air with the intercooler more than makes up for it. Still, a front-mount intercooler adds no extra drag.

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Soby
A very informative topic about turbochargers. the good thing about this topic is that it has sources and quotes from different aspect and kind of clears everything off in the turbo chargers aspect.
There is one question though i have in this regard. Do they turbo chargers have a limit of specific engines they can be put on or they can be used with any type of cars. For instance I have a 1000cc cars and a 800cc car, they both operate on petrol or gasoline you may put it. is there by any chace i can put Turbo chargers in them.
Also one more thing. Can turbo chargers work in choesion with NOS. There was also something mentioned about a scoop in the hood cutting the aerodynamics but an old fashioned Turbo charger thingy, if im correct. then can you please elaborate on that?

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Kioku
No offense to Watermonkey, but your post reminds me of Bill O'Reilly. "SHUT UP. SHUT UP. PRODUCERS, CUT OFF HIS MIC. CUT OFF HIS MIC."

Anyway. I've never tried such things, since I'd be a bit afraid of burning out the engine. Too much power isn't alays a good thing.

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rayzoredge
I'd like to thank Sean and Watermonkey for their awesome contributions to this thread. I learned quite a bit today that I've been meaning to do my own research on.

Thanks to you guys, I'm not going to play the stereotypical Azn and "rice" out my car with a turbo or supercharger. tongue.gif I appreciate the fuel economy of my Honda Civic and am trying to improve/maintain it as much as I can.

I can safely assume that a cold-air intake would stress the system in the same manner? (Of course, not to the same extent.)

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Watermonkey
Super-charging is the same idea as a turbocharger but instead of using the energy contained in the exhaust stream to spin up a turbine and blow air into the intake, a super-charger uses a combination of air from the oncoming air stream and a turbine or fan driven by a belt attached to the pulley system that runs other accessories like power brakes, steering, AC, and water pump. On the front are butterfly valves that remain closed until the supercharger is engaged via a switch in the cockpit. The horsepower needed or consumed during this operation is high, though, and, from what I understand, the fuel economy suffers dramatically as a result. On the plus side, super-chargers can be sized to force much higher air pressures down the intake manifold at any one time generating a more significant increase in horsepower which is why you see them on dragsters instead of turbos. The engine can more easily withstand the stresses of turbo-charging and come more often from the factory with turbo, but there are some cars that have factory "low-profile" super-chargers such as the Buick Super Grand Prix of the late 90's and probably some Firebirds had them too. But I suspect those super-chargers didn't generate much pressure.

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