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Dragons really do exist these days, they sleep all winter and roar in the sky during summer. When its time to go up in the sky, they kinda swirl in the mist from their cave to sky. Many people in tibet says they have seen such animal soaring in the sky but very vague since they tend to stay in the mist.Even my dad says dragons exist, and there are some rumors that people can die if they see the dr... read more.
One of the most common, and certainly the most debatable question in circulation over dragons is, "do they exist?". Despite being repeatedly asked, a satisfactory conclusion has never really been offered. The reason is primarily because everyone has a different viewpoint on dragon existence, and due to the controversial nature of the topic, we have so far only really been faced with contradiction. To date, theories regarding dragon existence have ranged from a physical, literal presence; the idea that dragons used to roam the earth but were wiped out by chivalrous knights or human advances. Others believe that dragons are little more than a mixture of the untamed forces of nature and human imagination, or that dragons exist on the astral plane, or that they have found their home in our imaginations. Our focus in this essay is not to try and directly prove or disprove the existence of dragons, but instead to discuss the main possibilities from which we will draw our own conclusion. However, in the end it will be up to you to decide how you believe in dragons. I for one think they were dinos that manged to survive the big bang.....whats are your threorys and thoughts?
Well i believe that dragons may have existed but have been minipulated thus became myth. I think that there were beasts like this that roamed the land however as for fire breathing i highly doubt that.
Just to correct you on ur post "the big bang" created the earth itself, lol.
Maybe they did exist, but they'd probably be called just 'dinosaurs' nowadays. The pterosaurs was a flying reptile. Combine it with a non-winged alligator-head-ish dinosaur and there is your dragon. And like cots, I don't see how and why an animal would spit fire And yes, the big-bang (in theory) is referring to the overall creation of the earth , long looooong before any animal or plant and such existed. I believe you meant to refer to the asteroid/meteorite/volcano theories. If dragons ever existed, they lived *after* the big bang and before the Egyptians and the Greek lived, otherwise I'm pretty sure they would have noted their existence down somehow. Knights lived during the middle ages. During that period of time the Church and everything already ruled, and they never reported the existence of dragons.
Also, if I remember it correctly, the Chinese used to find dinosaur skeletons and they thought those belonged to dragons.
Let's first look some of the earlier stories about Dragons. The very first "written" stories (that we have uncovered so far) on the creation of the world is from the Sumerian civilization generally in the area we call Mesopotania. This area which later became Persia and then part of various Middle East civilization is generally found between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers in what is now Iraq and Iran. The actual word "dragon" comes from the Greek language much later than this time so any mundane interpretation of creatures by this name before the Greeks must be by descriptions and attributes and not by name. They were generally considered "monsters" even if they had divine attributes. The very origins and foundations of the entire Mesopotamian culture comes from the stories, culture, and ethics of these Sumerians. The later civilizations of the Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, and then Grecians all got much of their philosophy, cosmology, and religion from the earlier stories/ myths of the Sumerians so it behooves us to first look at these early very early stories and pay particular attention to them.
In fact so many of the stories sprout the same type of general story line that we can actually divide them into two categories; Gods versus monsters (dragons) before creation and heros versus monsters after creation. Later versions of the stories often change the names of the parties about but maintain the basic story line. Is it possible that all these stories came from a single source and was later simply adapted, adopted, and some elements changed to suit the civilization telling it? This is a possibility to be considered about these first stories. Many later dragon stories will also be changed in the same manner by different areas or countries but with the same original tale.
The earlier myths often have a god, usually a storm god or a god armed with thunder and lightning bolts, chasing a dragon that has something to do with water. Examples are almost all of the Mesopotamian stories, the Indian god Indra, both Chinese and Japanese myths, the Mayan Rain Gods, the Egyptian sea dragon/serpent Apophis and pursuer Re, and even many early Semitic stories.
From the very start Dragons were seen as guarding treasures, holding back the floods, and dispensing knowledge. They also are battled by gods or heros from the very beginning. In many cases stories from the Sumerians were borrowed and slightly changed by the preceding civilizations. These same stories were very similar in content but with the actual names of the participants changed. The first written commentary, found on clay tablets, uses the names of Asag, a monster/dragon (sometimes named as Kur) and Ninurta, a god/hero. Later we are introduced to this same god/hero as Marduk by the Babylonians and the dragons name has been changed to Tiamet. There is some confusion here as the preserved evidence is not in good shape or complete.
In the Babylonian version called the "Enuma elish" Tiamet is one of the original pair of god and goddess at the founding of the universe. From these two all later creatures, good or bad, came into creation. This Goddess is in effect the "mother of all."
In the beginning of the tale Tiamet defends her offspring and all of creation from all the minions and forces of evil. But later, when her husband Apsu is killed, she apparently goes mad and decides to end all creation in her grief. This irrational action pits her against all the other Gods and one of her offspring, named Marduk, is talked into opposing her.
In the fight that ensues Marduk finally kills her by shooting an arrow into her mouth as she tries to swallow him. She is a shape shifter as most or all early Dragons are assumed to be so fought him in different guises. Even time seems to be effect which will come up again in the dragons versions. After the battle he uses her dragon body to form the earth and from death we have life and substance. The first epic of the hero or human and dragon encounter is the "Epic of Gilgamesh." This we know of by clay tablets from Semitic origin. But these tablets are telling about much earlier versions of the story. Here the hero is pitted against a Dragon named Humbaba who also has shape shifting abilities. Gilgamesh with the aid of the god Shamash finally kills the Dragon but gets in trouble with those other gods who were friends with or supported the Dragon and so has a pyrrhic victory and some penalties for his action are imposed.
Not much later we find the Egyptians with a similar story of either Re the sun god or Seth the hero destroying the snake or Dragon named Apophis. Again there is much confusion and contradictions. In this story both the side of good and the side of evil have attributes of the dragon. So once again we see the idea that the winner of the contest with the dragon take on the attributes of the dragon. The Hittites have a story of the battle of a storm god with the Dragon named Illuyankas which also has contradictions and different versions but also follows the earlier stories in general details. Later on we get several versions from the Grecian civilization. There is the story of Zeus fighting Typhon. Typhon is described as "Up from his shoulders there grew a hundred snake heads, those of a dreaded dragon." We will deal with the relationship between snakes and dragons a little latter. But suffice for now to say they are essentially the same. And again this monster/dragon is slain by a mighty thunderbolt from Zeus.
Very similar to this is the story of Apollo and Python. Python is alternately described in different versions of the story as a giant snake or a female dragon with many coils. In any case in some versions she is killed by Apollo when the young god shoots an arrow down her throat. But in other version she is taken into his service and becomes a protected oracular serpent at Delphi. It is interesting to note that both Grecian and Romans had serpents or dragons that were kept at various temples including Delphi that were considered to have great knowledge.
It is also interesting that Hercules himself consulted the Oracle of Delphi and was directed on his "12 labors" by the advice he got their. Included in his labors were the destroying of the dragons Ladon and Hydra of the Seven heads.
A good example of another Greek hero is Perseus who instead of fighting for good versus evil killed a dragon that was about to devour the princess Andromeda in order to marry her and gain a kingdom. The dragon was sent by the god Poseidon or Neptune to avenge an insult.
Another hero dragonslayer was Jason who along with his companions the Argonauts had to overcome the unsleeping "dragon of a thousand coils" who guarded the golden fleece. In one version the dragon is ensorcelled into sleeping and they stole away unharmed with the treasure. In another Jason fought the dragon who was a sea dragon and lost the fight and so was swallowed. it was only by intersession of the god Athene that the dragon gave up her prey.
An interesting story related to Jason is that of Cadmus who later went on to be the King of Thebes. He was also given advice by the Oracle of Delphi (who was herself a dragon) that eventually led him to fight and kill a golden crested dragon at the spring of Ares. For killing this dragon Cadmus was forced to serve the god Ares for a year but was then allowed to found his city from the children of the dragons teeth.
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Personally I agree with Cots. Dragons probably did exist, but not in the way we imagine; as massive fire-breathing winged monsters. Dragons were most likely lizards or other creatures that simply got embelished by travellers and story-tellers. The stories have been passed on, steadily getting more and more extravagant and evolving to the images we have today.
The only thing i dont like about the dragon theory is that there is no valid proof, pictures, bones, or any sign that they were once here. It makes me think and think....i am a very beig fan on dragons but even i half to question myself about them really existing. Hmm...looks like im not the first to think about this..
Oh and when i said the big bang i meant when the so called metor crashed and hit the earth thus killing all dinos......
lol Ya like Cebral Stasis said there are dragons out there. And if you think about it they might have ancestors as well that could probably be considered dragons. Of course I the Komodo might not be the dragon you guys are thinking of but you know there might have been dragons in the dinosaur age or relatives to them. I don't know if they are around today with the big wings and what not breathing fire like you guys might think but dragons themselves dragons do exist and the Komodo is an example.
Could the Komodo dragons be in a sort of evolution line?
Dragon with wings and also breathe fire>>> Dragons with NO wings that breathes fire >>> Dragon with NO wings and doesnt breathe fire (Komodo)
It could be an evolution line. Or travellers could have seen a Komodo dragon in a desert (whever theyre found) and possible saw a mirage which appeared it breathing fire.
Dragons really do exist these days, they sleep all winter and roar in the sky during summer. When its time to go up in the sky, they kinda swirl in the mist from their cave to sky. Many people in tibet says they have seen such animal soaring in the sky but very vague since they tend to stay in the mist.
Even my dad says dragons exist, and there are some rumors that people can die if they see the dragon but idk about that.
Its body is similar to snake and has four legs. They sleep all winter undergroud. Trust me, I'm not some retarded kid...I might go to tibet and Search for dragons...Its not a myth after all guys. Dragons are alive! :o
Yes,look at the komodo dragon now whiether or not the dragon we imagine today is a evolution or the komodo dragon or vise versa but my theory is that dragons the one we think of were the first and the lack of need to fly eventually lead to the evolution of a smaller wingspand and eventually led to the look of no wings or the komodo dragon. As for breathing fire it is thought by people that when they ate they digested the food in the first stomach and went through a special stomach which contained a special acid to turn the food into a hydrogen like gas and when needed emptying or for defending itself it would push the gas out and the friction of the gas spilling out of tubes at the side or top of the mouth created a spark which when surrounded by gas ingnites. A modern display of this is holding a match in front of a cows natural stored gas burp it lights and would make a impressice flame
They did exist coz my uncle is a scientist and they have real dragon bones in the lab and they have a load of armed gaurds on the doors. The dragon they have found is believed to be a fire breathing dragon known as 'islatem ' dragon. They will be publishing the photos in the next few months.The bones were found in a cave in wales.
I'm also on the dinosaur bandwagon here.... I figure, something like them could have existed (though I don't believe they would have breathed fire lol...) I'm just thinking that they were dinosaurs, or something that was a decendent of them, since the time of dinosaurs was over by the time humans existed for the tales of the knights that battled them. But then again, maybe they lived before human times too, because there are also tales of humans finding the lost world and battling dinosaurs. Maybe it's all just a big story.
Though it's strange that they've not really found any bones or fossils from dragons. Because they've found so many from other types of creatures that have lived in the past, I would have thought that they'd have found some bones to prove of the dragons existence.
It's a tough question, but still an interesting one to think about. I just wish that we could get a real solid proof that there was or wasn't dragons. Mind you, I think it's next to impossible to prove that something doesn't exist, so we'd have to keep believing until some kind of proof was found.
I was just wondering what would happen if ALL of the worlds oil would cease to exist and it ran
out,and yes i doubt it will be anytime soon but do you think it would bring mass chaos?would
something else be invented to replace it by then?Eventually the world will run out of oil its just a
matter of time...a lot of time but still none the less what do you think would happen?....
Hi There guys, After Reading that whole post about Dragons and did they exist, i did some
researching on the creatures and one website actually said that some Dragons could not only breathe
fire but could also breathe ice. And I don't know if this is entirely true but it does seem
prety cool. Like imagin two dragons fight one breathing fire and the other breathing ice. Yeah does
sound Farfetched but it could of happened. No one knows really. Oh and they say that dragons had
different races. I cant remember it exactly but they were sayin something bout some races Havi....
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