truefusion

Jul 6 2008, 02:32 AM

Back when i first started learning HTML, the only browsers i knew of was Internet Explorer and Netscape. Netscape at that time wasn't as appealing as Internet Explorer, and turned me away from it because of that. But the web design class i took was all about Internet Explorer. One of the teachers was one that was certified by Microsoft, so that could have played a major role in what browser to design for. But even when that teacher retired and a new one came in, Internet Explorer was still dominant in the class room and there was no mention about any other browsers. It wasn't until after a couple of years later that i learned about other browsers. Memory here is a bit faint, but Opera pulled me in. For my websites i choose to design for Opera, because i feel less limited in Opera. Thanks to tests like the acid test, i can verify whether a display error is because of my code or the browser. It took Firefox 3 just to implement CSS features that Opera, when only Firefox 2 was out, already had. Opera also supports more HTML 5, from what i've seen, than Firefox. No need to include Internet Explorer in what kind of CSS features it supports, as it should be obvious. But even though Firefox 3 improved a lot in CSS support, it still doesn't render everything like one would expect it to. But there's one minor bug that was introduced in Opera 9.5 that deals with outlines (or borders) where it overlaps elements and makes things look ugly, where in Firefox it looks fine, and wasn't fixed with Opera 9.51. But in many cases, if not most, building for Opera will in turn make it look the same in Firefox.

 

 

 

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i_speel_good

Jul 8 2008, 01:15 PM

QUOTE(HFBlade2k8 @ Jul 6 2008, 08:36 PM)

If you want to tailor your site for multi-platforming, let me just mention:

NEVER EVER use .png formatted images!!!!

Internet Explorer fails dramatically, both at rendering them, and at displaying them in conjunction with jpgs and other types.

It also, for some unknown reason, likes to ignore transparencies, displaying the whole thing as white instead of the supposed transparent bkg...

Only in IE6... IE7 renders them properly, as far as I know.

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lightforce

Sep 27 2008, 09:54 PM

I have been web designing for some years and I can declare firefox to be the clear choice.
Building on firefox is great because it closely follows the W3C (World Wide Web Consortium) guidlines (click to see what they are about).

IE makes me angry often because it refuses to recognize web standards in many instances.
While Firefox, Safari, and Opera are all better than IE at following the standards firefox is the best.
Also, firefox has this really sweet add-on called Firebug.
"Firebug integrates with Firefox to put a wealth of development
tools at your fingertips while you browse. You can edit, debug,
and monitor CSS, HTML, and JavaScript live in any web page...
Firebug 1.2 requires Firefox 2 or 3."
Other firefox add-ons that aid web development include Tamper Data, iMacros for Firefox, Greasemonkey, and docked JS-Console.

The worst part about IE (especially when making a site backwards-compatible with version 6) is the CSS. It is practically a nightmare.
I have had to google many work-arounds and hacks to get sites to look the same across all common browsers.
Yah, Internet Explorer would be long gone if it was not integrated with the Windows OS.
Safari would likely die out as well if it was not connected to the Mac OS in favor of Firefox.

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gjaldon

Sep 26 2008, 03:04 PM

Having read most of the posts on this thread, I agree with pedro-kun and suggest that you design for Firefox/Chrome instead of IE. IE is not such a great browser when compared to all the free open-source browsers such as FF/Chrome.

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kudmus

Sep 20 2008, 09:42 AM

I don't know much about webdesigning but I would advise you guys to make sure your sites are IE compatible because most people use it. People like you and I know there is something like browser compatibility but there are so many people out there who don't even care to know how these things work. People of such a type will use use Windows default everything( default browser, default player, default editors) so most of these people will only use IE. Technically inclined people will understand why the site is rendered in a certain way and will forgive you for browser incompatibility. I think we all have to wait until FF grabs 50% market share before we start designing pages for it.

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pedro-kun

Sep 19 2008, 10:51 PM

QUOTE(xpress @ Sep 19 2008, 09:48 AM)

Coming to this browser war...I don't agree that IExplorer has lost. Most of the IE success is because
it is inbuilt in windows. Most people doesn't know much about computers and even how to install
a software etc..They are just end users....Not developers... And even if they know how to install
(Bcoz installation in windows is very easy) they may be too busy or too lazy to install a third party software.
If they want to use Internet in windows they open IE and start browsing. Thats all.
They won't care whether it is best browser or not. This is the reason for Internet Explorer success.

So as long as Windows(or Microsoft) dominates the Operating System market Internet Explorer definitely
dominates all browsers. And Microsoft's plans to develop latest versions of its browser definitely keep
its share in browser market.

Well, yeah, IE does dominate the market... But that doesn't mean it is not a lost cause. The browser itself is pure trash, when compared to modern browsers which are actually free. Also, IE cripples the web. You said you design webpages focusing on the xhtml rather than the looks... Well, if IE didn't exist at all, you wouldn't have to worry about such problems because most browsers support most standards in a decent way. Then you could use some more of what is the real power of the web, without worrying over hacks and stuff..

Concluding, IE is a crappy browser. Of course, many people still use it (and will, for a long time), but that's just because they're ignorant on the tech side of the program. It's not their fault, though... however, IE is indeed destroying the web.

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xpress

Sep 19 2008, 08:48 AM

When desinging a page I usually concentrate on code rather than the browser. I am using
XHTML. I don't use much graphics and avoid cutting edge features like flash, dynamic html etc..
They are some of the reasons for browser incompatibity problesm. I like to avoid them.
So, my page will work same on almost all browsers as no overhead of these graphics problem.

Also I want my webpage very small in size, sothat it will load very fast in client machine, and
uses less bandwidth also.

Coming to this browser war...I don't agree that IExplorer has lost. Most of the IE success is because
it is inbuilt in windows. Most people doesn't know much about computers and even how to install
a software etc..They are just end users....Not developers... And even if they know how to install
(Bcoz installation in windows is very easy) they may be too busy or too lazy to install a third party software.
If they want to use Internet in windows they open IE and start browsing. Thats all.
They won't care whether it is best browser or not. This is the reason for Internet Explorer success.

So as long as Windows(or Microsoft) dominates the Operating System market Internet Explorer definitely
dominates all browsers. And Microsoft's plans to develop latest versions of its browser definitely keep
its share in browser market.

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