gisellebebegirl
Jan 13 2008, 04:07 AM
Well since trap17 seems to be down.. or just my gay site, im going to talk about suicide and about how wrong it is. Ok first of all IF YOUR LIFE IS SO MISERABLE AND EVERYONE HATES YOU AND YOU JUST CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE why in the world would you give the things that are hurting you (most likely people duh) the joy the HAPPINESS of seeing you give up? and kill yourself! come on.. you are only making them happy not yourself! and so what you kill yourself thats it! theres no turning back once you kill yourself.. nothing.. unless your extremely religious and believe in life after death come on.. what are the ods of that?! are you really going to take the risk? jesus.. just wait to die and liev life to the fullest be a little positive for once.. see the colors of the rainbow.. dont just live in black and white grayscaleish dreams you are worth more than that! why in the world would destiny make it so you would be born then? for you to suffer? uh i dont think so... so just dont do it.. its wrong.. and trust me you will hurt at least one person by doing that (other than your lame self ogcourse) and it will most likely be someone who really cares for you.. and that perhaps.. even though you might not see it. cant live without you! so why in the world would you do it? i mean it might be your parents.. wait hold that tought the whole reason why you might be thinking about suicide might be them.. so nevermind about that tought.. but what about your little brothers or sisters.. they look up to you.. i bet to you anything they do.. they want to be just like you.. so is that what you are trying to teach them? to give up be a quiter and kill yourself.. come on you are better than that.. and you know you are heres another idea.. your grandparents who love and care so much for you.. wow you killing youself would just make their year.. they would feel bad and miserable for you dyuing and not them.. making them want to commiy suicide too! smart move.. silly emo kids.. gad! jesus.. weell if you havent guessed alreadfy.. this is meant for teenagers emo/suicide kids thinking about commiting suicide.. haha anywho where were we? oh yea..s uicide.. dont do it GAD! jst dont.. there is no point on doing so! cant you try something new? make a friend? eat some playdough? somethinG! ok im gonna make a things to do enstead of commiting suicide list.. breath breath smell play sing listen to music make a friend walk to the beach draw make a myspace talk to your family go shopping get a boyfriend go to college idk!! people add on  im tired of typing hahah ill come back and add more th1ings kks?! gotta check if my site is back up yo!
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pop
Jan 13 2008, 05:29 AM
Don't worry, or at least don't get yourself killed. Trap17 is free hosting service, and like many other hosting services it has periods of downtime. Don't think it's down only couse your gay site is down. Just becouse your gay doesn't mean everyone is after you, like maybe your parents are! That just not right. I'm fond of gay people, i like to be around of gay people, but this is not gay service, it's serious service with many worries on their mind. Do you think that admins of this site should kill themselves only because your site is or my site or any other site is down! OF course not. It is normal for someone who is providing bandwidth to have time that bandwidth is not reacheable. It's normal, just like beeing gay!  So don't wory, or at least don't kill yourself, couse even if you do, dowtime is going to be fixed, and your site is going to be online soon again! 
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anachro
Jan 13 2008, 08:19 AM
suicide is stupid. I agree. but trap17 isn't down, or HOW PRAY TELL would you have posted  it's just your site.
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Carson
Jan 13 2008, 09:45 AM
Suicide, in almost every case, is completely pointless and wasteful. There are extreme cases that you could call exceptions, such as being tortured. These scenarios are inescapable, and would be the only time that suicide isn't completely pointless and wasteful. Apart from such situations, whatever reason a person a person wants to kill themselves, it can be changed. Almost every single time. There is just no need what so ever for it.
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elaks
Jan 13 2008, 10:53 AM
QUOTE(Carson @ Jan 13 2008, 09:45 AM)  Suicide, in almost every case, is completely pointless and wasteful. There are extreme cases that you could call exceptions, such as being tortured. These scenarios are inescapable, and would be the only time that suicide isn't completely pointless and wasteful. Apart from such situations, whatever reason a person a person wants to kill themselves, it can be changed. Almost every single time. There is just no need what so ever for it. I'm a Protestant so I don't have too much against it. If life is really so unbearable and you're not just doing it because you girl/boyfriend ditched you then I think it's a persons choice. As for the torture, I myself would rather kill myself than experience such crushing pain. I can only imagine how hard it is to kill yourself with no help from tall buildings/weapons/water so my respects go to all hostages/soldiers who have gone belly up as opposed to giving away information or allowing themselves to be used by their captures. I have never considered killing myself as their's nothing wrong with my life, but I can see many many scenarios where it's the only option. I don't blame for instance, the business men who killed themselves at the time of the Wallstreet crash- life for them could've gone on, but it would've been a terrible life filled with poorness and strife.
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kobra500
Jan 13 2008, 11:06 AM
If someones making your life a misery why should you be punished for it! I have the uncanny ability not to care what people say. Personally i'd phone the police on them and leave it at that. I care more about saving my life than saving theirs and the deserve prson or to be sued etc.
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khlieeq
Jan 13 2008, 11:59 AM
I've always thought that suicide was kindof stupid, I mean come on... killing yourself's just gonna make it worse for everyone else. Even if you've got a religion, and expect an afterlife. Well I'm a fourteen year old Muslim, and Islam says that if somebody commits suicide they go straight to hell (known as Jahannam)-- that really kicks those mad suicide bombers in the shins (the "72 virgins for suicide bombers" myth is just propaganda)! But seriously, Hell's gotta be worse than a depressed life. Islam is very descriptive of hell, for example people must eat "fruit" that will boil their insides like oil  . Here's a Qur'anic quote about suicide: QUOTE But let there be amongst you Traffic and trade by mutual good-will: Nor kill (or destroy) yourselves: for verily God hath been to you Most Merciful!
If any do that in rancour and injustice,- soon shall We cast them into the Fire: And easy it is for God.
Qur’an 4:29 - 4:30
and a hadith QUOTE Narrated Abu Huraira-: The Prophet said, "He who commits suicide by throttling shall keep on throttling himself in the Hell Fire (forever) and he who commits suicide by stabbing himself shall keep on stabbing himself in the Hell-Fire."
Book #23, Hadith #446 (Sahih Bukhari) And I'm sure Islam isn't the only religion condemning Suicide, i mean the Bible's sixth commandment "thou shall not kill", it never says what "thou" can't kill, does it? Anyway I just don't get the whole thing with emos, I mean they have their own culture (music, dress-sense, etc) but they would easily give it up for death. Seems kindof weird to me. Anyway I would only think it's right for somebody to willingly allow themself to be killed (so not to directly commit suicide), if it was to save another person's life. Also the story of when Ismail (Ishmael pbuh) seems appropriate here. Very similar to the Jewish/Christian version. Ibrahim (Abraham pbuh) and his wife were very old, however after never having a child before, they were blessed with a baby boy. They cared for him so much, but Ibrahim was a pious man and messenger of God, he had a revelation from God commanding him to sacrifice his son. At this point Ismail (pbuh) was a bit older, but still a child. But even at that age he was willing to be sacrificed if that was what God had commanded, not influenced at all by the temptations of Satan/Shaitan/Iblis. But as it turned out it was all a test from God, a test of Ibrahim's (pbuh) faith. Later Ismail (pbuh) became the forefather of the Arabs, while his brother Ishaq (Issac pbuh) became the forefather of the Israelites; wonder what they'd think if they saw the Arab-Israel Confilct present in Israel and Palestine today. Anyway went a bit OT there, but obviously "willingness to be killed" is a bit different to actually committing suicide-- but if you were in a situation where one person might have to die to save a whole lot of other people I think it'd be acceptable. Euthanasia is considered suicide, and I'm against that.
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elaks
Jan 13 2008, 12:15 PM
QUOTE If someones making your life a misery why should you be punished for it! I have the uncanny ability not to care what people say. Personally i'd phone the police on them and leave it at that. I care more about saving my life than saving theirs and the deserve prson or to be sued etc. If the thing ruining your life is multi-billion dollar company or a terrible government there's not much you can do. People don't kill themselves just because of other people. I agree- if one man/woman was making my life miserable I'd be tempted to pay a group of people to beat them up or sue.
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Bluebear
Jan 13 2008, 12:33 PM
I agree with elaks. People just do not kill themselves because of other people. It could be other things in live that they are tired of, or they miss. Maybe they have lost someone they loved, or they are in big financial problems. Many people would say that it is not e good enough reason to kill themselves, but some people are not as strong about these things as others. They could also have mental problems. One of my neighbors killed himself, and he had that problem. He had nothing other wrong in his life; He had a wife, children, money and it seemed like he was happy. He went to therapy, but and it worked for a while. His wife went to Texas to visit the new granddaughter, and when she tried to call home nobody answered. The next day someone went to check on him, and they found him dead. Suicide may be wrong in the most cases, but not all of them are stupid emo kids. Sometimes there is other reasons.
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budsu
Jan 13 2008, 12:48 PM
i'd say it depends on the reson resons like :"my girlfriend dumped me" are very stupid but sometimes i think suicide my be the best way out (why is it iligall anyway ? ) :S
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A200
Mar 24 2008, 11:56 AM
Sometimes suicide is what is best, in some cases, I find the word suicide not fitting. Think about old people who have been married for 40 years, one of them gets cancer and doesn't want to die a horrible death in a hospital bed or leave their partner alone when they die, so they get euthanasia pills to take before it gets too bad where they have nothing to live for, and both want to go to heaven together. I think it is OK for people to do that, if there is no road back to full health and the only alternative is months or years of suffering, and if the person is willing to do it when they cannot have it any longer, why not? They lived their life to its fullest, and they want to leave with their dignity intact. A200
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Archangel_Baw
Mar 24 2008, 09:28 AM
I've lost a few friends to suicide and it makes me sad that they didn't reach out to me first before taking their own lives. I don't think suicide is wrong or stupid, I think it's tragic and horrible that people are made to feel so unbearably useless and unloved that they just give up. It breaks my heart.
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tricky77puzzle
Mar 23 2008, 02:15 AM
QUOTE(Absolute Zer0 @ Mar 22 2008, 08:54 PM)  For 99% or reasons, suicide is a terrible idea, yes, if you're being tortured, and will probably die any day soon anyway, I can understand how suicide might be the best option, I'm not completely unreasonable, but it IS a bad idea in almost ALL cases. That's m take on it anyway. More like 99.9976%. If you're being tortured (like biologically, for instance), and you're terminally disabled, then that is called suicidal euthanasia. IF someone helps you to do it, then it's just called euthanasia. What do you think about that practice?
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Absolute Zer0
Mar 23 2008, 12:54 AM
In general, people commit suicide because they believe it's the best option, that it'll end the suffering, and that the world will be a better place without them. The people who believe that, are in fact, WRONG. Life is a gift, it's precious, and it's not something to be thrown away when the going gets rough. As a Christian, my belief is also, that life doesn't end after someone commits suicide, and for most of the kind of people who commit suicide, it can just make things WAY worse. Even if that's not your belief, it will cause more suffering, not just to you, but everyone around you. Family, friends, they'll all miss you terribly, and if you don't think you have any, WAKE UP! Even people you think of as your enemies can suffer from guilt, a lot of people will blame themselves for a person's suicide. Maybe that's the person's intention, to make everyone feel guilty, if that's the case, it's just for revenge, and it's a rotten, dirty, and downright STUPID thing to do. For 99% or reasons, suicide is a terrible idea, yes, if you're being tortured, and will probably die any day soon anyway, I can understand how suicide might be the best option, I'm not completely unreasonable, but it IS a bad idea in almost ALL cases. That's m take on it anyway.
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tricky77puzzle
Mar 22 2008, 11:57 PM
QUOTE(slave @ Mar 22 2008, 02:53 PM)  sucide is just for losers. don't know how a person can go upto this extreme action like killing own self. well life is not so easy so it's doesn't mean if you are facing problem is life and you go for sucide because after night day comes after sunset. alwayz sun rises. after ever grief a happines comes so as being a human we should face our problems and fight with them cause if you read about the great people you will find that most of them faced a lot problems in their life. Don't condemn them blindly. Try to understand their situation first. If their situation is negligible enough, then you can condemn them. If they lost a husband or wife or something, you can try to redirect them to counseling. If they put a gun to their head if you suggest that, ask the police to use a sniper to shoot the gun out of the (wo)man's hand, and then take them to a mental hospital, or something.
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