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QUOTE(terminal2k @ May 7 2006, 05:51 PM) now this is something that annoys me about when people have issues with stem cell research, If an adult dies, and the organs and things are used for some sort of research would any of you have a problem with that? how about when organs are transplanted from someone who is dying/dead to save anothers life, do you have a problem with that? but when i... read more.
There's one controversy in stem cell research I don't understand: establishing new stem cell lines from refuse tissue at fertility clinics. I can understand and respect the idea that killing a zygote destroys a human life (well, as long as the belief isn't actively forced onto others), but in the case where the cells are going to be destroyed anyway, why is it still such a moral problem? As far as I know all of the current (government funded) stem cell lines in the United States are pretty much useless, because of contamination from genetic crossover with mice DNA, so it makes sense to procure new lines, if possible, without offending anyone's moral beliefs. Does anyone have thoughts to why this particular venue (where the cells are going to be disgarded and destroyed anyway) is morally wrong?
The way i see it, its not doing any harm, only good. They take the stem cells from UNBORN fetuses. If they are unborn that means that they wouldn't have lived anyways so why not take their cells and help someone ? A dear friend of mine had a terrible car accident 6 months ago and is now paralyzed from the waist down. Doctors said that her spinal cord wasn't moved but she lost some nerves. Stem cells could help her but they're illegal in the states. She is now on a 4 years waiting list for a treatment at a Spanish stem cell clinic. This is also costing her a lot of money. My point is that since its proven that it can help people, and you're not killing anyone for it...why not make it legal here in the US so everyone can benefit from it ? I guess it's the same as the pro-choice vs pro-life issue. The government today is still hung up on religion and as far as i know government and religion should be 2 different things that never mix. I hope they legalize stem cell and im sure they will in the next 10-20 years because the govermnet will finally realize the benefits and the fact that there are no downfalls to it, just old fashioned people who don't think its right.
Not many Christians are that active on the subject of testing on animals. They are alive and therefore they shouldn't complain about testing on humans.
The problem is that humans general count themselves as superior to other life forms. I believe the human race is less than most other life forms as we've done more damage to the planet than them. Stem cell research is simply testing on unborn children. This may seem harh but thats the same as testing on unborn ape/ants/snakes/ eating an egg.
ok heres the deal taht i see...
ethics mostly... i hate u damn people that belive every good thing is unethical... (besides the mass genocides of the early 1900's... genocide=bad...) but stem cells yes come from fetuses... (unborn babies)... this is where they ethics come in... first however some info you need to know... Stem cells have the ability to become anything and organ-tisue-brain cells... EVERYTHING.... they are just a cell that is told to do something and it makes new ones... so heres a question for you. say someone needs a lung transplant... he cant get a new lung right away lets say hes on the waiting list for 3 years or something... idk lol with stem cells we could have a stock supply of organs and stuff waiting to be used at any moment... we can tell them waht type of blood to need and eveything... Massive burn victims we can grow new skin for them to have to replace the burnt skin... the possibilities are endless... but ethics prevent us from doing anything... heres another thing... people can abort babies... (killing the unborn baby...) WTF isnt that just as bad as taking the ABORTED baby for science... instead of throwing it away use it for fing science... waht else can it do... sit in a trash and decompse... damnit u friggen people who belive everything is unethical... QUOTE(tdktank59 @ Apr 11 2006, 12:42 AM)  ok heres the deal taht i see... ethics mostly... i hate u damn people that belive every good thing is unethical... (besides the mass genocides of the early 1900's... genocide=bad...) but stem cells yes come from fetuses... (unborn babies)... this is where they ethics come in... first however some info you need to know... Stem cells have the ability to become anything and organ-tisue-brain cells... EVERYTHING.... they are just a cell that is told to do something and it makes new ones... so heres a question for you. say someone needs a lung transplant... he cant get a new lung right away lets say hes on the waiting list for 3 years or something... idk lol with stem cells we could have a stock supply of organs and stuff waiting to be used at any moment... we can tell them waht type of blood to need and eveything... Massive burn victims we can grow new skin for them to have to replace the burnt skin... the possibilities are endless... but ethics prevent us from doing anything... heres another thing... people can abort babies... (killing the unborn baby...) WTF isnt that just as bad as taking the ABORTED baby for science... instead of throwing it away use it for fing science... waht else can it do... sit in a trash and decompse... damnit u friggen people who belive everything is unethical... That is my point damn hippie tree huggers and the"We dont think that parents should be able to abort their children" ppl(which by the way, according to the law are wrong-The law states that until a fetus is 22 wks old-it is NOT alive, and until the child is 18 yrs of age it has no legal say in its life) If we were to take 1 fetus and harvest the stem cells we could save more lives than if that child grew up and donated blood regularly.
Fascinating debate !
A stem cell is just a machine that happens to be biological. It does not think for itself. It is "living" (in the sense it is biological, but not "alive" (in the sense that people reading this are!). Stem cells can be taken from the umbilical cord of a newborn, stored, and used later to manufacture new blood, organs and tissue, for that same newborn when they are injured, have a disease or grow old! Stem cell research has the potential to prevent all deaths. Stem cell research, if allowed to continue, has the potential to ensure that humans attain biological IMMORTALITY. Stem cell research helping us reach the ultimate aim of medicine - CURE ALL ailments and injuries. If stem cell research is wrong, then ALL medical intervention must also be wrong. Vaccines, blood donation, x-rays, plasters / band aids, etc, all wrong! Feedback appreciated! QUOTE(loosu @ Apr 13 2006, 01:17 PM) Fascinating debate ! A stem cell is just a machine that happens to be biological. It does not think for itself. It is "living" (in the sense it is biological, but not "alive" (in the sense that people reading this are!). Stem cells can be taken from the umbilical cord of a newborn, stored, and used later to manufacture new blood, organs and tissue, for that same newborn when they are injured, have a disease or grow old! Stem cell research has the potential to prevent all deaths. Stem cell research, if allowed to continue, has the potential to ensure that humans attain biological IMMORTALITY. Stem cell research helping us reach the ultimate aim of medicine - CURE ALL ailments and injuries. If stem cell research is wrong, then ALL medical intervention must also be wrong. Vaccines, blood donation, x-rays, plasters / band aids, etc, all wrong! Feedback appreciated! Essentially you're right however there are some minor discrepencies with your under standing. QUOTE Stem cell research has the potential to prevent all deaths. Stem cell research, if allowed to continue, has the potential to ensure that humans attain biological IMMORTALITY. [/tab][tab]That is not right, possible, but wrong. Stem cells CAN be used to grow new organs, Skin, Even Brain Matter, but they cannot give us immortality. If you were dying of old age due to organ failure we could prolong your suffering but eventually you would be to weak to function. Y would you wanna live forever anyway, i mean even if we were all immortal that would mean we would have to work longer, go to school longer and be bored for longer.
Who Voted No in the Poll????????????
I would like to know Y you feel this way, so i can attempt to change your mind.
I'm all for stem cell research. It's embryonic stem cell research I have a problem with, as do many Christians. They could use stem cells from all other areas of the body for their research for the exact same purposes. Yes, the cells wouldn't be quite as effective as embryonic ones, but it would avoid the controversy and work quite well anyway. Why is it, do you think, that they insist on creating and destroying human beings for their research when it is unnecessary?
Latest EntriesQUOTE(terminal2k @ May 7 2006, 05:51 PM) now this is something that annoys me about when people have issues with stem cell research, If an adult dies, and the organs and things are used for some sort of research would any of you have a problem with that? how about when organs are transplanted from someone who is dying/dead to save anothers life, do you have a problem with that? but when its taking something from a dead fetus thats morally wrong, and should be banned, and all this other stuff, the kid is already dead, let his life have at least some meaning. if even one person can be saved by the stem cells from a fetus then that has given at least some meaning for that fetus's existance. If somebody donates their body there isnt anything wrong. But if you take a fetus, and do something to it, it never said you could. Nor did the sheep, mouse, or monkey. If you donate your body that is your choice, and no one has forced you, it is YOUR body. Just as the other beings own their body, and it shouldn't be used in a manner they never wanted it to be used for. If they took organs from a body who did not donate their body then it is wrong. I'm not going to tell someone what to do with their body, because i wouldnt want them to tell me either. Except for abortion, because a living thing is growing inside of you, and it is their body now too, for now.
I think that stem cell research should be more aggressively researched. Some countries do it, anything that can help. And as long as they are only using cells that they are growing - then thats cool. But taking cells from alive 7 week babies is getting tough. Its a decision that will need to be made by the medical, eithic and so forth boards of goverenment departments around the world.
I don't understand why you think that stem cell research is not popular in North America. I'm sure it's very popular, it's just not popular with the current government. The Bush administration, which is Republican, is against it. Generally, Republicans tend to be more religious. Religion, in many cases has inhibitted science, unfortunately. Our good friend Galileo was persecuted by the church. However, it seems to be the trend that today there are more athiests and agnostics, and even those that are registered under a religion, just don't plain care about it. They live life and every once in a while refer to God, maybe on Sunday maybe on Saturday, and most probably because they were either forced and/or brainwashed by their parents. Horrible cycle, right?
Anyway, aside from that, stem cell research seems very valid to me, along with abortion. A zygote may be living, but if it cannot feel pain and does not have a subconscious like developed babies and humans then what is the worry? Aborting a zygote is no less than killing a cow for it's food. Sorry, if this seems harsh to you, but we're all animals anyway. What does abortion have to do with all this? Aborted zygotes could be used for stem cell research, right? So for those with ethic problems with both abortion and stem cell research, watch how those two "wrongs" make a right, when they cure illnesses and save lives. If you're against stem cell research and you get in a car crash lose a vital organ and there's no room on the donar list and some stem cell research technology saves you, I hope you will see that you were wrong. So why not use aborted zygotes, which will be dead anyway, and put them to good use? One woman's trash is another society's treasure, or it would seem to be. I don't see what's wrong, however, I'm not religious, nor Republican, but don't get me wrong, I'm far from Democrats, too. QUOTE(JasperIk @ May 1 2006, 07:42 PM) I am against all testing that could harm a living thing, and anything that harms a once could be living thing. now this is something that annoys me about when people have issues with stem cell research, If an adult dies, and the organs and things are used for some sort of research would any of you have a problem with that? how about when organs are transplanted from someone who is dying/dead to save anothers life, do you have a problem with that? but when its taking something from a dead fetus thats morally wrong, and should be banned, and all this other stuff, the kid is already dead, let his life have at least some meaning. if even one person can be saved by the stem cells from a fetus then that has given at least some meaning for that fetus's existance.
I could be mistaken, but from what I've read/heard, embryonic stem cell research has made very little progress. I am very much for stem cell research, but if embryonic stem cells don't work, there's no point in pursuing them.
On the other hand, if the fetus is already dead, they might as well be used for something.
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