Spying Tips And Tricks

s243a

Apr 14 2005, 03:16 PM

I have created this thread to help others try to figure out when and when they should not try to sabotage. Some details may not be relevant but I am providing a complete set of information so nothing is overlooked. I don’t know if it is random or you either can sabotage or you cannot. Nisc says you need a spy bonus at least 2 times that of your opponents sentry bonus. But it might also depend on how many weapons the person has you are spying on, what kind of weapon you are trying to sabotage and relative differences in the rank. Nisc says he has also been able to spy on those 20 bellow his rank. The person I lost against is 23 bellow my rank and only has one two handed sword for my spies to try to find. So maybe there is to much working against me here.

My rank 5, his rank 28
His sentry bonus 0,
My spy rank 116,587

Today, 06:19 AM Sabotage Failed 52 Details

Result,
Your Chief of Intelligence dispatches 52 spies to attempt to sabotage 2 of weeman212's weapons of type Two Handed Sword.
Your spies are spotted inside weeman212's armory while they are attempting their sabotoge. In order to evade capture, your spies were forced to flee. Fortunately your spies are very sneaky, and many of them return safely ... 20 are caught, interrogated, and executed.

My race Ghost,
His race human

His fortification Tower
My siege technology Catapult

He had one two handed sword

spawn_syxx9

Apr 15 2005, 03:20 PM

I would suggest that maybe he has a higher defense rank than you do and thus would catch your spies a whole lot more.

weeman212

Apr 15 2005, 07:49 PM

Hold up!!! i think that it told you the wrong stuff, i had 3 swords and you sabotages all of them

and i only caught 20 of your spies or sumthin

lol

s243a

Apr 15 2005, 08:00 PM

Thank you very much. I just now figured out how spying works. As long as not all saboteurs are caught some weapons may get sabotaged. Perhaps I should follow up a sabotage with a single attack to see what damage it inflicted. Now that I know a sabotage might be for naught, I must decide if it is worth the dead spies.

no9t9

Apr 15 2005, 09:31 PM

you know what is even more stupid? I lose spies and sentries when I attack people. In one attack, I lost a total of 25 units. 12 were attack units, 6 spies and 7 sentries. Now, my question is... why would I lose spies and sentries when doing an attack? That just doesn't make sense.

I find, the spying/sentry system is a little out of whack. Even when I have a lot less spy bonus (I had about 40k) and NilsC had about 100k sentry, I was able to see everything in his base. If the difference is that high, I think I shouldn't be able to see anything. Also, you can't hide your money because as soon as you click the persons name, it automatically shows how much money he has even if you have 0 spy bonus! That has got to go.

spawn_syxx9

Apr 15 2005, 09:31 PM

Well if you want to, you could probably see what would happen if you try to sabotage me and since we are on the same team then you could tell definitely what happens. I wouldn't mind really. I am pretty capable in building back up.

s243a

Apr 15 2005, 10:39 PM

QUOTE

That does seem a little odd. If anything they should be lost during defending. But that fact that sentries can be lost may make spying less painful because if people loose sentries they may b e less inclined to keep big hordes of them.

Johnny

Apr 17 2005, 05:30 PM

QUOTE(s243a @ Apr 15 2005, 03:39 PM)

Yes, that is true...

But I don't really know too much about spies/sentries, so I barely bother with them (except making spies to check on potential targets, of course...)

hype

Apr 18 2005, 10:09 AM

There's a common tip from the original game that never send MORE THAN 1 SPY!!! Another tip is that to observe the 25% rule which it seems that ssb is not implementing on the army system...

Johnny

Apr 20 2005, 05:56 AM

Why send one spy? You get less information...

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iGuest

Oct 19 2007, 10:13 PM

Wen I try to sabotage sum1's armoury like say 1 dagger it always you cant get away with destroying that much of an enemies armoury like every time this happens even I want to sabotage like 1 item

-oniblood

iGuest

Oct 19 2007, 09:44 PM

Well wen I try n sabotage sum1's armory even if its like 1 dagger it ses you cant get away with destroying that much of the enemies armory y?????

Johnny

May 3 2005, 01:38 PM

QUOTE(s243a @ May 2 2005, 06:49 PM)

I was trying out some sabotaging to see if any of the errors are predictable. The quantity on the left of the arrow is what I was trying to sabotage. The quantity on the right of the arrow is what it said I was trying to sabotage. Whenever I got an error something different was attempted then what I was trying. (Neutral) means I wasn't caught but I didn't succeed in sabotaging. I can't notice any pattern for the errors. Perhaps the errors are cased by two threads trying to write to the database at the same time or something weird like that.

Damnn
1 leather armor -> 1 Spear (Neutral)
1 leather halmet -> 1 Steel shield (Netural)
NilsC
1 wooden shield -> 1 Steel Shield (Failed)
RoboT
1 spear -> 1 hammer (Faild)
1 Mace -> 1 Dagger(Faild)
1 Iron Shield -> 1 Iron Shield (Faild)
1 leather armor ->10 leather Armor (sucess)
Johny
1 Plate Armor -> 1 dagger (Failed)
NilsC
1 Mace -> 1 Mace (Failed)
1 Leather Armor -> 1 Leather Armor (Netruel)
1 Spear -> 1 Spear (Failed)
ToStifels
1 Spear -> 1 Spear (Failed)

Hey...keep your grubby little paws off...

QUOTE(Saint_Michael @ May 2 2005, 08:22 PM)

heres a spy tip unless your ranked 1-5

not much of a garuntee that you will be successful due to the fact you will be spending a lot of resources just to boost your spies up

Not really...you can sit there doing -nothing- but train your spies. You'll go down in rank reaaaaallly fast, but you'll still stand a very good chance of sabbing people.

Saint_Michael

May 3 2005, 03:22 AM

heres a spy tip unless your ranked 1-5

not much of a garuntee that you will be successful due to the fact you will be spending a lot of resources just to boost your spies up

s243a

May 3 2005, 01:49 AM