amirborna
Jun 5 2008, 03:16 PM
I thought about this and I like it. You may disagree or agree or may like 1 or 2, but still read it and tell me what you think. Spy --- Sapper Replacement Electronic Canceler: ------------------- At a limited distance away, you must look at the sentry, teleporter, or dispenser and you can use your electronic canceler. It will freeze the sentry, dispenser, or teleporter for an X amount of seconds (I suggest 10) and once it is over, the engineer's building unfreezes. Engineer can still repairNow valve can do whatever they want with this but, I like this: You can have a regain timer, almost like your cloak but once you use it, it goes to 0 and resets again. Maybe every 20-30 seconds or whatever With this you cannot actually break their building, but rather create an opportunity for your team member to break it for you. This will allow the spy to do more teamwork than they already do and is a nice replacement that is not too weak or too strong. ========================== Magnum Replacement Sleeper Gun: -------------- With this gun I thought up, it can be pretty cool...Basicly I want it like this: Every shot you shoot someone with your gun they lose health of course, but also slow down 2% with every shot you shoot. This effect stays on for maybe 10-20 seconds or whatever valve wants, but with this gun, you can create wonderful opportunities to not only help yourself catch up to them and stab them in the back but help your teammates in a variety of situations from runners to incoming enemies and the such. if 2% isn't good enough, make it more. Whatever valve wants! =========================== Butterfly Knife Replacement Cionide Injection: ----------------- I was thinking and I thought up of this. It's pretty cool I think. This of course only works from the back, BUUUUUUT it has a twist I thought up of doing something new here It's range is point blank, you have to be pretty much touching them. Your weapon is a needle with the deadly liquid scionide which is 100% death instantly The model can be a small syringe with green/blue liquid bright glowing liquid inside of it OK..HERE IS THE TWIST, ITS NEW BUT IT WORKS When you attack your opponent, you don't lose your disquise!!!!!!!!Instead, when you have your Cionide Injection needle out, you look like the enemy but instead of holding their default weapon, the enemy can see you holding the needle --Remember the needle has glowing neon liquid that lights up in the dark so it should be pretty easy to spot When you have your gun / sapper, you go back to having the default enemy weapon, but not the injection! I think this creates much newer opportunities And if valve wants like the 25% slow down thing for the ubersaw, they can add a little thing to this such as if an enemy pyro burns you, the needle explodes and causes yourself to get an X amount of damage such as 50% ECT This makes you further act like a spy and take it out at the perfect time, kill, and switch back They can make a new sound for each character that gets injection, like a soft moan or something like that =============== I think my ideas create a new gameplay for the spy that can actually help out the teammate. You may disagree with my idea or like it, but this is my suggestion!
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ivantoar
Jun 19 2008, 02:22 AM
At least, friendly fire is a must. Why? I like being a spy too, but everytimes somebody sees a teammate, they shoot to perform a spycheck (me too). And spy is easily known because they cannot disguise to somebody with a secondary weapons (probably you'll know this, who doesnt?)
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iGuest-Nickolas
Jul 19 2008, 02:37 AM
I like the electronic canceller, because this is the only alternative you used that actually adds something nice to the game without ruining it. See that as a compliment please. -reply by Nickolas
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iGuest-cmooney13
Jul 31 2008, 07:33 PM
The electronic canceler seems like a good idea, since it lets you work with your team. However, your forgetting that a regular sapper can take a building down for more than 10 seconds, have no charge time, And damage the building. The only thing you've really added is the ability to do it from far away, which doesn't make sense since the spy's main objective is to sneak behind enemy lines. I have seen another incarnation of this idea (the magnetic sapper) that takes the building down but does no damage, letting another team mate destroy it. As for the sleeper gun, it sounds like a good idea, but when you think about it, the player on the other end would have their game lagged up while the get shot or stabbed in the back. That doesn't seem very fun. Your last idea, the sionide injection, seems a little awkward. I have an idea that's similar to this. My Ideas: Revlover = Silencer The gun does more that just make you shots silent. You enemy will still see their health drop, but they won't be able to tell where the shot is coming from. And, you can also shoot while cloaked or disguised. While your disguised, it will appear that your diguise is firing their weapon. But because your enemy is taking damage, it might be a give away. Also, while you cloaked, each shot lowers you cloak bar, but the weapon it's self raises you max cloak to give you more time to shoot. The weapon would have to b very weak so that you don't pick of enemies while they have no idea where you are. Sapper = Spy Bombs This idea may not b very good, but I think it opens up a lot of options. Instead of sappers, you can now place a bomb. You can only have one at a time so that you don't place them every where. You can place the spy bombs anywhere, walls, floors, engie buildings, and even allies or enemies. The bomb is set off by bumping into it or being shot at. And, since you can only have one, clicking fire while the bomb is deployed cloaks it. Some examples are: � Placing one on a damaged enemy building. When the engie comes to repair it, it'll go off from the wrench hit � Placing one on a dispenser so that an enemy will bump into it and set it off. � Placing one on the floor around a corner so the enemy will step on it � Placing one on a friendly scout, have them run into an enemy group, get shot, and set off the bomb � Placing one on a friendly spy have them cloak, run behind enemy lines, get shot and set it off Most of these only work if the bomb is cloaked so that the enemy doesn't notice it Knife = Pen Knife This weapon, like the injection, can be used while your disguised. It doesn't kill from behind, but instead take their disguise. To use it, you must hold down the fire button. You'll stab them with the knife, and begin to do damage. As you kill them, you pen will fill with ink. Once you've killed them (you pen is full) they die, but they leave no sign of death except a pool of ink that fades quickly. But when you kill with this pen, you immediately take the enemy's disguise. You take their name AND their weapon. This way, you can be a medic with a medigun or an Engie with a wrench. Please give some me some feed back. -reply by cmooney13
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AbdurahmanL
Aug 21 2008, 06:37 AM
Well, your spy bomb is basically an ied, a mine, or a suicide weapon. It may be a good idea, but who knows if anyone from Valve is reading this! Why don't we just give the spy a knife that he can throw? Maybe give him 3 butterfly knifes, and he can throw them to backstab someone from 10 feet away. What do you guys think?
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iGuest-Brett
Aug 16 2008, 05:23 PM
Pyros are tooooo powerful
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Ok first I want know cant you do something with the bloody pyros and people just shooting you and well then they know your a spy pyros are just too overpowered I think they don't need any skill and they can just fire at the air and ok look theres a spy and I want to get my revenge back on pyros so just go mad on the spy updates Please people rdy see me when I'm a spy so whats the point of making it more like a enemy spy?... I'm tired of getting shot burned and killed by a wrench atleast make his tux better or something and don't make the person slow they still always kill me I dunno what they were thinking with the stupid heavy update... -reply by Brett
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room2593
Sep 12 2008, 10:55 PM
Yeah... I think that spies have it hard. Pyros have nearly endless ammo to throw around because their lives are so short; they're constantly getting more ammo. Your four minute excursion into the enemy base can end by a single man with a flamer hitting you once because he felt like firing at the air. But the spies also are one of the biggest pain in the butt people to play against. If the enemy has a talented spy, they can be death on wheels. I play as a medic most of the time (because everybody that tries to, sucks) and Spies are aggravating. I constantly have my medigun out, so I can't check to see if the dude is actually a spy. I just heal and run. So I die. And I die, and I die some more. If you play the spy right, they can be really destructive. I really like the pen knife idea... It would really give a boostie up to the spy, and make it really hard to tell who is a spy and who isn't. But then, I don't think that Valve is paying attention anyway. So whatever.
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iGuest-Krits
Sep 5 2008, 09:44 PM
My own suggestions
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I honestly really like and dislike a lot of the above comments and creations. I've been working on them for a while, so hopefully they make sense, I actually helped think up some of the weapons (boxing gloves and sandvich) for the Heavy update. Although I was not the original concept creator, I helped improve the idea. Here are my spy weapon suggestions: First lets look at what the spy's goals are in the team and what he has to work with. Then lets think of some trade offs, always give people a good trade off, either this or that. Example for Heavy, you can slow people down but keep them in your sights longer with the new minigun but have less power, or have lots of power, but no slowing effects. Example for Pyro, you can either have the ability to throw objects back at players and do good damage all around, or be poor head on but devastating if attacking from behind. So, the Spy's goals are: To infiltrate enemy team undetected, kill and destroy any buildings and open pockets for friendly team members to attack from and take out threats that could destroy your team. So lets look at his current weapons... #1 Revolver Loud pistol that does a minimum of 25damage at long range, and max of 60 at point blank. It only has 6 shots in it. #2 Electro Sapper Sapping unit that slowly drains a sentry until it gets destroyed at 6 or 9 seconds after applying it. #3 Butterfly Knife Kills instantly from behind but raises disguise, terrible 30 damage from front or sides. #4 Cloak Limited invisibility from all players that drains when used and regenerates when not in use. However regeneration takes a long time. #5 Disguise case Allows for Disguises to be used, but they break upon attacking exposing you as you really are, a Spy. My new weapon ideas that will help emphasize the Spy�s goals ----------------------------------------------------------------------- #1 SBDP- Silent But Deadly Pistol--------------------------------- This is a shiny silver metal pistol that is given to the top spies. Its size is similar to the Scout�s pistol, but much longer in length due to its oversized custom made 8� silencer to allow maximum stealth shots. Due to the size and color of the gun, an enemy can recognize easily the skill level and respect of his new found opponent. The SBDP is designed to allow the Spy to take shots without the victim knowing the location of the shooter. It also has a 100% critical guaranteed for shots to the victims back. The pistol however due to the caliber change, can only hold 3 shots. The pistol bullets are much stronger than the normal ones designed for the revolver, but carry a damage rate of 25-30 at long range, 40-50 at mid range and 60-70 at close to point blank. The SBDP is only given to those with great marksman skills since its very low ammo capacity requires great accuracy. #2 TIP- Toxic Injection Pen-------------------------------------- The TIP is the newest instrument in a Spies arsenal. This newly created device, invented at HQ, is filled with a highly poisonous serum that numbs all senses until shutting down the brain functions. In other words, the victim will become disoriented and black out/die within a matter of seconds. All while being stylishly disposed of from the top of the shiny aluminum cap to the color of the fluorescent green pen all the way to the end containing a peculiarly sharp shiny point. The TIP however is a risk. It, unlike the butterfly knife, does not kill instantly so victims may retaliate and possibly kill the user. To use, simply inject the poison into the enemies back. The enemy�s eye sight will immediately become impaired, and will most likely shriek and complain about being stung or bit by something. He will then proceed to see everything in grey after the first second, followed by spots after 3 seconds and then by death at 5. Although the product has been perfected, the poison takes exactly 5 seconds to cause death and has been known to radiate a green glow on its victims. The victim may be treated within that time period so be careful. The advantage is that your disguise, although obvious due to the Pen�s stylish fluorescent green color when holding or using, will allow the spy to poison his victims without losing his disguise. (In other terms, think of a sapping device for enemy players instead of sentries) Warning, do not attempt at side or front stabs as the serum wont be effective enough as a full dose. The victim will only recieve minimal damage per stab (30 per stab) #3 Electro Clamp------------------------------------ The Clamp is rather small, looks similar to the electro sapper, but is made from a titanium alloy and has two large arms that squeeze the clamp onto the building. Impossible to pry off, the Electro Clamp is one of the hottest items on any Spy's wish list from HQ. The Electro Clamp, similar to the Electro Sapper, as it only effects buildings. This unit does drain Electricity from a building; however it doesn�t drain enough power to destroy the structure. Instead the Clamp shuts down the functions of the building and redirects the power into the Cloaking Wrist Watch of a spy via a wireless connection. The Electro Clamp cannot be knocked off like a normal Electro Sapper. Due to the immense electrical energy surge the clamp creates, it will burn out after 5 seconds of use and fall off. Engineers are unlucky enough to not have the tools to deactivate the Clamp once it is installed. However, the Clamp does not damage the building and has no effect on its health. So the plus side is the Engineer can continue to repair the building even when it is clamped. When applied to a unit, the building shuts down for 5 seconds. A tremedous grinding will be heard, similar to a minigun's wind up as the clamp squeezes the building. The power is then redirected into the wrist watch of the Spy who applied it. This recharges the Spies cloak so long as the clamp is active. -reply by Krits
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iGuest-TehHendu
Sep 30 2008, 12:37 AM
Krits, some very good ideas, but... The spy is a hit and run charcter (am I right) and kills people in a instance, ie badwater cart and 4 people on it, you backstab them all and they all die, but with your toxic injecion pen idea they would probably realise and you might only kill 1 person in return for your death(it would only be good on snipers). I think the spys weapons need to be INPROVED not REPLACED. Maybe like a revolver that crits more often (people hate crits but it will help ALOT), a knife (that someone mentioned before) you can throw, and you could improve the amount of cloak and not change the sapper, because the sapper is fine how it is. If you like my ideas or dislike them please tell me, and any improvements would be helpful -TehHendu -reply by TehHendu
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iGuest-Tuco
Sep 28 2008, 05:35 AM
I approve of lethal injections.
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A lot of these sound really unbalanced. The one I like the most is the injection. I like how you keep the disguise, and I like how the trade off is that the enemy is basically doomed but gets a few seconds to either get revenge or go for help. Maybe being healed by a doctor or dispenser while you die could do something like slow it down to a third, but not save you. The only thing to save the victim should be a medipak or medicine cabinet. Also, what if the sapper or disguise kit was replaced with something that could be used to anti-spy? Counterintelligence is common in reality, so it would make sense in the game. It would change the role into something defensive rather than offensive. I don't have any specific ideas, but I just thought I'd put that out there. -reply by Tuco
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iGuest
Nov 19 2009, 06:38 AM
replacement for the electro sapper
My Spy Suggestions For Team Fortress 2 Next Update S
id like to do away with the backstab animation (knife lift up, slash down) because it is laggy and glitchy.
As a replacement for the Electro Sapper, what about a gas bomb thing that the spy can drop without losing his disguise. It does no damage, but causes everyone in the vicinity of the gas bomb goes colour blind, so that they are slower to see where the spy is when he decloaks when he attacks (at the moment spies get killed within seconds of backstabbing because blue and red are wildly contrasting colours, and spies are spotted and killed very quickly). This also apply to the sentry guns - they cannot sense the difference between blue and red, and so do not attack for the period before the colour-blind effect wears off (10 seconds?), also giving a chance for the spy to retreat and for his team to do some damage to the sentries. The colour-blind effect cannot be removed from players or sentries for the duration of the effect.
Let me know what you think.
-reply by wahmelon
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iGuest
Jun 22 2009, 03:26 AM
My Spy Suggestions For Team Fortress 2 Next Update S
My Spy Suggestions For Team Fortress 2 Next Update S
So, I have these very simple suggestions.
EMP Device : A wide range sapper. Used by spies internationally, and bought online by the TF2 Spy.
Usage : This is far more powerful than a sapper. When set, the device emits an EMP shockwave with an area of effect about 10 fts, disrupting almost every single electric device in the area. It cannot be removed, will kill buildings very fast, but it takes some time to set ( 1.5 seconds ), and people will know you are a spy. Also, there is limited ammunition, you only have 2 of these per lives.
Super Spy Watch : Another spy watch, often employed by James Bond, now sold to the TF2 Spy.
Usage : A very dangerous watch - 0.5 seconds of cloak time, and 0.5 seconds of uncloak. Effect time is 4 seconds, and you move at 80% speed. In this time, you are invulnerable to every damage caused, can use every weapon in your arsenal during that time ( in risk of being exposed immediately, of everything you have, disguise included, even placing a sentry ). That way, it's possible to counter trigger happy pyros, and making spy an effective class to play. The downsides? Really large sound when exposed, uncloaked, and cloaked. ( A tad bigger than Dead Ringer uncloak )
Or just simply a throwable or slidable sapper.
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iGuest
Apr 28 2009, 06:03 PM
Anti-Spy / Defensive Spy
My Spy Suggestions For Team Fortress 2 Next Update S
Going on the idea of the spy being used as a defensive role/anti spy these are my ideas.
Butterfly knife: Replaced with a different dagger (dunno what type doesnt realy matter.)
-This
dagger is not able to backstab.This dagger simply adds a different
taunt that can only be activated when disguised as a member of your own
team e.G. Your on blue team and you disguise as a blue engineer. This
taunt lasts aroun 5-10 seconds and has your disguised character simply
stand there sway a little perhaps whistle a tune to himself. This may
seem pointless but it helps you elimante enemy spies. If a spy attempts
to backstab in the process of you performing this taunt, the spies
backstab will be interupted and the taunt will extend with your
disguised self dogging the backstab and grabing the enemy spy by the
neck and snaping it instantly killing him. This can be useful if you
know there is an engineer being harrased by spies, take the engineers
place by disguise yourself as him wait for some one to go behind you
(presuming its an enemy spy) and peform the taunt. This is much more
subtle than spy checking and can make enemy spies think twice before
backstabing someone.
Sapper: Replaced with Laser trip wires + Radar handset.
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If playing a anti-spy/ defensive role as a spy you obviously no longer
have a use for sappers so these will be replaced with laser trip wires.
You don't not have ammo for these you just simply have a maximum you
can place (up to 3). These can be placed on walls or verticle surfaces
only. The laser trip wires do not hurt or even stun enemies, simply if
an enemy (even disguised/cloaked enemy spies) cross this trip wire the
you simply recive a beep. However when you switch to the laser trip
wires/ radar hanset the handset has a small screen with a radar style
circle,any enemies that have crossed on one of your trip wires will be
highlighted on this handset for the next 30 seconds. Perhaps not so
usefull for locating your bog standard enemy but good for routing out
enemy spies. ( The laser tripwires will have a vissible red laser
however if conceled well enough or if the enemy is in the heat of
battle it is hard to notice.)
Revolver: Custamized 9mm pistol.
This
is a heavily custamized version of the pistol the engineer and scout
use. This version comes complete with a silencer (making it quite
obviously + the enemy is unable to determin where the shots are coming
from). A dart shooter attachment is added underbarrel, activated with
secondary fire button (yes this means you cannot cloak whilst wealding
this.) The dart shooter fires small darts with attached homing beacons.
When these darts hit an enemy, the enemy is highlighted with a flashing
sybol above there heads visiblr to allies for 30 seconds, this symbol
is visible even through walls like the call 4 a medic symbol. . The
darts have infinite ammo but have a recharge time siplayed on a small
LCD moniter on the side of the pistol, the reacharge time could be
around a miniute. All this is all welle a good and may seem
overpowererd however it come with to significant drawbacks A) you
cannot cloack whilst wielding it. B) due to being fitted with a
silencer it greatly reduces damage and range, damage around 10-15 per
shot.
-reply by V Harlequin V
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iGuest
Apr 19 2009, 04:46 PM
Thoughts
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I like your canceler idea. But what if it was like a jammer instead, where u have to point it at what you wanna jam. And it would have like a cool down and charge up like the cloak(but no metal pick ups). Maybe a laser can indicate the enemy where you are. I say this becuase ever alternate weapon has to have a disadvantage, with the sapper u have to go right up to it(chances of dieing high) but it sticks and destroys the building unless an engie removes it. With your idea even tho it just freezes, it would seem to be cheap because 20 seconds is a long time to destroy something. With a jammer a spy has to be exposed to jam it and that would be its disadvantage.
-reply by frank
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iGuest
Apr 5 2009, 02:13 AM
My Spy Ideas (the Best)
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New sapper: Hacker Sapper
Disadvantage: Only disables (doesn't do damage), but stays on indefinitely until engy hits w/ wrench or SG is destroyed. This will encourage more "good" Spies who kill the enemy engineer and finish off the SG themselves. Also more teamwork is encouraged since the sapper won't destroy the SG by itself.
Advantage: If the spy gets enough kills/assists/destruction points, the Spy gets a "hacker" sapper which will TAKE OVER AN ENEMY SG so it shoots the enemy instead. This can turn the tide in a battle even faster than an uber-charge. Half a team can get wiped out before they know what's happening. The SG remains hacked until destroyed, or an enemy engy finds a way to wrench the SG (such as if the SG is right around a corner). The spy can get killed by his "own" SG similar to an engy, but there's no friendly fire so his team doesn't have to worry about crossfire. This powerful effect must have its limitations:
- Only skilled spies will fill their hacker/power meter up because it takes multiple kills in a row, and it won't happen very often. It takes 8 points to fill the meter, where 2 pts are awarded for each backstab and 1 pt is awarded for each normal kill/assist/equipment destruction. In this case, 4 backstabs will fill the meter, or 3 backstabs and a couple revolver kills/disabled SG kill assists etc. A lvl 3 SG kill (sap then shoot) will be worth 2 points.
- The Hacker Sapper takes 2 seconds to hack the enemy SG, so the enemy engy can disable the Hacker Sapper first if he's right there. If the Spy's Hacker Sapper is enabled, he can hit his "last-used disguise" key to toggle the Hacker Sapper off/on so he can disable other SG's before hacking the one of his choice.
- After filling his hacker meter, the Spy might not be able to find an enemy SG before getting killed (whereas the Medic usually has teammates around to use the uber-charge on).
- Since the Spy can't build or repair his hacked SG, it will be more vulnerable than a typical SG with an Engy babysitting it. The advantage of the hacked SG is surprise, and near- instant passage for friendlies
- SGs will shoot each other, so a Spy should try to disable other nearby SGs before hacking the best one
Other implications to consider: Should an enemy Spy be able to sap the hacked SG (2 sappers at once)? If a normal sapper is on a SG, can the new disable-only/Hacker Sapper also be placed and vise-versa? If so, a Hacker Sapper should remove/disable a normal sapper upon activating. The Spy's teammate Engy will be able to repair the Spy's hacked SG and restock the ammo as usual, without knocking off the hacker sapper.
Other interesting ramifications:
New knife: Electro Knife
Disadvantage: 25% slower cooldown time between strikes (actual strike speed is unchanged).
Advantage: Each backstab or slash increases cloak meter (hack meter is filled for kills regardless of knife). The blade draws electrical energy from the enemy's body to charge the wristwatch. Each backstab increases cloak meter by 25%, slashes only 10%. Perhaps if the cloak meter is already filled, the knife would then power up the hack meter faster. Spies will always want a fast backstab, so this would maintain that need while providing other benefits. Perhaps the Electro Knife would be required to power up the Hacker Sapper (more "logical").
As for the revolver, I like Krits' silencer idea, although I think 100% crit chance from behind would be too powerful since most classes would die in a couple hits.
-reply by The Dude (Robert Weekes)
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