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This has got to be officially the most disturbing post I've seen on this site so far. And... I could use the money, but I wouldn't want to imagine my face mixed with a chimpanzee's... Talk about nightmares.
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Sperm Donors Wanted! - Human Sperm To Impregnate A Female Chimpanzee - Humaneeze breeding program

Watermonkey
Ok, I'm not sure if I can say this with a straight face, so I'll just say for you poor college students who need some extra green for that weekend movie (Mike, you reading this?), you might check in to this more closely. You never know, some of your relatives down the line might actually be able to say, with honesty, "Well, I'm a monkey's Uncle!"

I guess some perverts are wanting your "seed" so they can create the ultimate, uh.... Well, someone help me out here: THE LINK Horror? Nightmare? Improvement? SIN?

Here's the original article in case the link disappears at some point...

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Exclusive: Half man, half chimp - should we beware the apeman's coming?


Creation of a hybrid using human sperm to impregnate a female chimpanzee would be legal

Published Date: 29 April 2008
By JENNY HAWORTH

A LEADING scientist has warned a new species of "humanzee," created from breeding apes with humans, could become a reality unless the government acts to stop scientists experimenting.
In an interview with The Scotsman, Dr Calum MacKellar, director of research at the Scottish Council on Human Bioethics, warned the controversial draft Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill did not prevent human sperm being inseminated into animals.

He said if a female chimpanzee was inseminated with human sperm the two species would be closely enough related that a hybrid could be born.

He said scientists could possibly try to develop the new species to fill the demand for organ donors.

Leading scientists say there is no reason why the two species could not breed, although they question why anyone would want to try such a technique.

Other hybrid species already created include crossed tigers and lions and sheep and goats.

Dr MacKellar said he feared the consequences if scientists made a concerted effort to cross humans with chimpanzees. He said: "Nobody knows what they would get if they tried hard enough. The insemination of animals with human sperm should be prohibited.

"The Human Fertilisation and Embryo Bill prohibits the placement of animal sperm into a woman The reverse is not prohibited. It's not even mentioned. This should not be the case."

He said if the process was not banned, scientists would be "very likely" to try it, and it would be likely humans and chimps could successfully reproduce.

"If you put human sperm into a frog it would probably create an embryo, but it probably wouldn't go very far," he said.

"But if you do it with a non-human primate it's not beyond the realms of possibility that it could be born alive."

Dr MacKellar said the resulting creature could raise ethical dilemmas, such as whether it would be treated as human or animal, and what rights it would have.

"If it was never able to be self-aware or self-conscious it would probably be considered an animal," he said. "However, if there was a possibility of humanzees developing a conscience, you have a far more difficult dilemma on your hands."

He said fascination would be enough of a motive for scientists to try crossing the two species.

But he also said there was a small chance of scientists using the method to "humanise" organs for transplant into humans. "There's a desperate need for organs. One of the solutions that has been looked at is using animal organs, but because there's a very serious risk of rejection using animal organs in humans they are already trying to humanise these organs.

"If they could create these humanzees who are substantially human but are not considered as humans in law , we could have a large provision of organs."

He wrote to the Department of Health to ask that the gap in the draft legislation be addressed.

The department confirmed that the bill "does not cover the artificial insemination of an animal with human sperm".

It said: "Owing to the significant differences between human and animal genomes, they are incompatible and the development of a foetus or progeny is impossible.

"Therefore such activity would have no rational scientific justification, as there would be no measurable outcome."

Dr MacKellar disagrees. He said: "The chromosomal difference between a goat and a sheep is greater than between humans and chimpanzees."

Professor Bob Millar, director of the Medical Research Council Human Reproductive Sciences Unit, based in Edinburgh, agreed viable offspring would be possible. He said: "Donkeys can mate with horses and create infertile offspring; maybe that could happen with chimpanzees."

But he said he would oppose any such attempt. "It's unnecessary and ridiculous and no serious scientist would consider such a thing. Ethically, it's not appropriate.

"It's also completely impractical. Chimps would never be a source of organs for humans because of the viruses they carry and the low numbers."

Professor Hugh McLachlan, professor of applied philosophy at Glasgow Caledonian University's School of Law and Applied Sciences, said although the idea was "troublesome", he could see no ethical objections to the creation of humanzees.

"Any species came to be what it is now because of all sorts of interaction in the past," he said.

"If it turns out in the future there was fertilisation between a human animal and a non-human animal, it's an idea that is troublesome, but in terms of what particular ethical principle is breached it's not clear to me.

"I share their squeamishness and unease, but I'm not sure that unease can be expressed in terms of an ethical principle."

A Department of Health spokeswoman said: "It's just not a problem. If you inseminate an animal with human sperm, scientifically nothing happens. The species barriers are too great."

HYBRIDS ARE AT CROSS PURPOSES

EVEN though hybrids of humans and animals have never been created, many other creatures have been crossed successfully.

Lions and tigers have been bred to create ligers, the world's largest cats.

And there are also zorses (zebra and horse), wholphins (whale and dolphin), tigons (tiger and lion), lepjags (leopard and jaguar) and zonkeys (zebra and donkey).

As well as these hybrid mammals, there are also hybrid birds, fish, insects and plants.

Many hybrids, such as mules, are sterile, which prevents the movement of genes from one species to another, keeping both species distinct. However, some can reproduce and there are scientists who believe that grey wolves and coyotes mated thousands of years ago to create a new species, the red wolf.

More commonly, hybrids mate with one of their parent species, which can influence the genetic mix of what gets passed along to subsequent generations.

Hybrids can have desirable traits, often being fitter or larger than either parent.

Most hybrid animals have been bred in captivity, but there are examples of the process occurring in the wild.

This is far more common in plants than animals but in April 2006 a hunter in Canada's North-west Territories shot a polar bear whose fur had an orange tint.

Research showed that it had a grizzly bear father, and it became known as a pizzly.

In 2003, DNA analysis confirmed that five odd-looking felines found in Maine and Minnesota were bobcat-lynx hybrids, dubbed blynxes.


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midnightvamp
That's a tricky topic tongue.gif One half of me wants to know if it could be done, and if it could, how it would turn out. But then there's the other half of myself that says, there's no way that's a good idea... but it still leaves me curious as to what would happen. I think the animal hybrids are pretty cool... but it's just kind of weird to think about that in human terms.

Oh, and would it be the donor's brother that could say... "I'm a monkey's uncle"? It's almost worth it just to be able to say that biggrin.gif Too bad I'm not a guy, and I don't have a brother haha

Anyway... strange and interesting article none the less. Nice find tongue.gif

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Forbez
Hm, this is very tricky subject. One hand, we'll get to see what will be reproduced. On the other hand, this is wrong really. Cross breeding is wrong and there's always something wrong with the reproduced child. Look at Horses and Donkeys, when they reproduce together their child can't reproduce itself.

But a Human and a Chimpanzee? Could be an intelligent Chimpanzee, or Human with Chimpanzee behaviour.


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cangor
Wow... wow... that's so... wrong. I don't know why, it's just not meant to be, and plus that's bordering on animal cruelty at the same time. I mean, sure, scientifically, it would be interesting, but there are just things that shouldn't be done, and that's one of them. I mean, how disgusting would it be to have chimp sperm used to impregnate a human female? Do I need to say AWFUL? And besides, that's not even taking into account what freak of a child would come from such an experiment. I just think the whole thing is perverse and cruel...

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Saint_Michael
Who knows odds are we could make the Planet of the Apes movies look real if this was done. What is scary though at a genetic level it could be possible, but really though what would be the point of though, oooh we get free organs!! However, if history serves me correct exchanging human parts with animal parts hasn't been all that successful, and so there are some things we humans should even be doing. Besides there are better things to do then see a half human baby come out of a monkey, disturbing and yet intriguing site to see.

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adriantc
WOW... I read the title of this topic twice, just to be sure I'm not mistaking... I think theoretically it could be done since we share so much of our DNA with our closest living relatives, the chimpanzee. But why would somebody do it? What is to be gained? I fail to see any reason - beside the "just for the fun of it"... Seriously it makes a lot more sense of cloning people then cross breeding! At least there is something to be gained from it (immoral perspective: organ donors, Ginny pigs...).
Anyway I don't think a "apeman" could breed or live a long life. The miracle of evolution has put in place some "security measures" against such cases. Usually such individuals are born sterile, so it cannot have any offspring's. They are also inclined to have fatal diseases. We have to remember nature builds things a lot more durable then we do. So no civilization for them - if it does happen it will only be able to multiply in a lab.
If we are to cross that border, the cross breeding border (nice word game), it means we have already crossed other borders, like cloning or gene manipulation, borders which cannot be crossed back. If that day shall come may God (if there is one) have mercy on our souls!

 

 

 


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Inhuman
I was thinking 2 things while reading that: Planet of the Apes and Bigfoot / Yeti.

Basically with Planet of the Apes, yea, it's only fiction, but if this were to go down, then we could be enslaved by apes, and that just isn't all that great if you think about it.....

As for Bigfoot and / or Yeti, these are rumored to already exist....which makes me think some backwards hick had intercourse with a chimp or something....Yea, my mind is weird when I'm on little sleep. tongue.gif

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jlhaslip
Well, I don't think this 'cross-breeding' thing is a good idea at all.
And for those who might be thinking that it is a good thing, here is an image to consider before continuing with the Donater Program:



Was this picture taken Before? or After?

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KansukeKojima
Well, that would certainly be very interesting to see how it turned out. Seriously though, I'd say don't screw around with the way God has set things. After all, He made it, and said that it was good. There could be many unforeseen consequences of this (especially if the 'humanzee' was somewhat as intelligent as a human).

And also, using them to harvest organs, that is kind of sick. I mean really, breeding an interspecies animal is screwed up enough, but then killing it to harvest organs? Well, I guess it'd be similar to raising cattle, but still... and if the 'humanzee' did have some sort of human-like intelligence, well... I don't think that would go to well.

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jopak134
this will be like artificial insemination. this will be a test of evolution. it can be done if we share a common ancestor if not then it can't. this will be a day when i will see my flying monkey man laugh.gif

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rpgsearcherz
This has got to be officially the most disturbing post I've seen on this site so far. And... I could use the money, but I wouldn't want to imagine my face mixed with a chimpanzee's... Talk about nightmares.

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Soviet Rathe
hahahahahahah giving sperm is fun! they send you in a room with a magazine and a cup >_<
well not really lol
but it's a good idea for couples where the male is sterile and they want to have a kid of their own.

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bigtimedrama
QUOTE (KansukeKojima @ May 5 2008, 09:28 PM) *
Well, that would certainly be very interesting to see how it turned out. Seriously though, I'd say don't screw around with the way God has set things. After all, He made it, and said that it was good. There could be many unforeseen consequences of this (especially if the 'humanzee' was somewhat as intelligent as a human).

And also, using them to harvest organs, that is kind of sick. I mean really, breeding an interspecies animal is screwed up enough, but then killing it to harvest organs? Well, I guess it'd be similar to raising cattle, but still... and if the 'humanzee' did have some sort of human-like intelligence, well... I don't think that would go to well.


Yup, I totally agree. Technology has helped humankind massively, but poking into stuff like that is kind of an inch away from trying to replace God. Humans wanting to play God and mess with life will only make this world a scary place, it's like the move 28 days later or resident evil, or the hundreds of zombie movie out there. Humans experimenting with animals and all the wierd stuff and poof! an instant virus that would end the world.
I think movies like those should be taken as a clear warning. It could happen... ohmy.gif

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iGuest
Need to know.
Sperm Donors Wanted! - Human Sperm To Impregnate A Female Chimpanzee

There is a way to just see if it could happen.  How about getting egg and sperm together in a dish, and see how that goes?  We already have test-tube human babies.  If it did "take", then raise it with love and respect.  "Experiments", per se, could all be done on a voluntary basis;  Then we would KNOW the answer, and not torture the humanzee into a miserable life.  Great apes are mostly very cooperative in a nurturing environment, given plenty of excellent food and companionship I.E., security, (until that one day when they seem to go ape-sh*t for some unknown reason...)  Perhaps the humanzee would be willing to help us decipher ape language and social customs - a species go-between?  This would teach us about ourselves, as well.

I can't seem to find much of a practical use for such an experiment, but one might evolve in the process of it.  Organ "donors"?  I think NOT!  New technologies always begin when things in life challenge us;  In fact, the studies of ethics and morality, themselves, came from emotional challenges to our version of consciousness and peaceful governance.  At any rate, beyond a certain point in almost anything, you have to put speculation on the back burner, and take that quantum leap to a different reality.  I was raised without the very technology I'm using to communicate with anyone reading this...But I adapted to it, and I'm happy with it.

You might argue that it would be inhumane to create this cross-breed.  I would tell you that it is EXACTLY humane to do such a thing, because that is who we are!  We're curious little bastards!  We screw around with everything conceivable!

Anyway, you start with the egg/sperm tango in the petri dish, and then move on (or not) from there.  Baby steps, until we have a better footing.

Love 2 all!

-reply by Timot

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iGuest
God created us for a reason!
Sperm Donors Wanted! - Human Sperm To Impregnate A Female Chimpanzee

Why were we created by God?Why did God gave us the ability to think and self improve?It all comes down to one simple reason.To preserve the Earth and protect every other living things in this world.And when I mean living things,chimpanzees are categorized in this group.Impregnating a chimp with our sperm is not considered  protecting them but instead violating their rights to live freely.Animals should remain in the wild and not be used as test subjects or to be mass produced for our own greed.

What should be done is to create awareness on the issue of the lack of organ donors and to encourage people to donate their organs after death.As far as I know,many who passed away are non organ donors and imagine how many lives can be saved if the dead were to agree to being a donor?

 I hope the scientists would look at the bigger picture of the situation.More chimpanzees will be poached for more researches and it won't be long before they will go extinct.Human should just leave them alone and not mess with God's creations.Toying with God's creations will definitely lead to a series of bad chain reactions.

-reply by Animal Lover

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