brainless
Sep 13 2006, 10:02 PM
During the last couple of weeks, I have noticed that there are some people in this community who reply to posts dealing with religions that they are "not religious because they are atheists and don't believe in God". In my opinion, this argument is inconsistent in two points: 1) By using the term "God", these people miss the point that there are not only monotheistic religions [Jews/Christians/Muslims - based on one and the same God. Read their holy scriptures before denying this and open a new thread if you want to discuss this...] but also polytheistic religions like most nature-bound religions [there are countless of them all over the world, the most well-known are the ancient greek and roman religions and Hinduism. I'm not sure about the existence of actual "Gods" in Buddhism right now]. 2) Atheists, though not as well-organized as most religious people, do the same as religious people do - claim to have evidence about one or more god's existence (which is supposed to proof the non-existence of any gods). Due to this behavior very similar to that of religious people, I suggest atheism should be considered 'some form' [sorry, I haven't thought this through yet either] of religion. well, what shall we do with those who want to keep on claiming to be not religious? There's still a way left to be able to express an opinion on religious matters which does not make it necessary to take a clear position on the existence of god(s): "I am not able to prove God(s)'s existence but I am also unable to prove its non-existence [, but I have an opinion to the matter being discussed, regardless of god's influence or non-influence on this...]"
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sylenzednuke
Sep 13 2006, 10:08 PM
Well, I do disagree that Atheism can be considered as a religion, being an athiest myself I have noticed that even though the person seated besides me is an athiest, he is probably having some different ideas and philosophies and there is just this one thing common that both of us don't believe in god. Well, yeah I cannot prove god is not there but don't I have the right to believe in what I want to?
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brainless
Sep 13 2006, 10:16 PM
you've got just as much of a right to believe in the non-existence of any gods as anyone has the right ton believe in its/their existence... ...and there's just about as much in common between a jew and a muslim as there is between to atheists - two of these four people believe in the same god, two of them deny its existence. All four of them believe in some obscure theories on e.g. how this world has been created (when there are way more important questions to answer...)
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Albus Dumbledore
Sep 13 2006, 11:04 PM
No matter if Atheism is concidered a religion or not it is still the belief that god does not exist and he has no power over the world as people claim he does QUOTE Oxford dictionary definition (theistic): "1 the belief in a superhuman controlling power, esp. in a personal God or gods entitled to obedience and worship. 2 the expression of this in worship. 3 a particular system of faith and worship. judging by 1. it cannot be connot be concidered a religion because they do not believe that a superhuman controlls them or nayone else. and they dont believe that anyone who thinks that someone or somthing are entitled to worship, so that leaves that one out. judgint by 2. hmm hard to tell with that small definition, but i dont think that athiests worship anyone? judging by 3. hmm, i dont think they have faith in anyone but themselves? and they dont worship anyone, so i dont think that being an athiest should/could be descirbed as a religion, more as a way to think....
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BordaForx
Sep 13 2006, 11:21 PM
I will try to explain why I, myself, think Christianity is actually the true religion and how it is true. This is not another "you've got to believe this because you have to have faith". These are actual reasons why God AND Jesus is real. First of all, how did we find out about history. In example, Roman history was mostly discovered because of old documents and architecture that has preserved itself throughout the 2,000 or more years. The documents were written during the time that something has really happened; so that is proof that Roman history is true. If this is how we base our history, why won't the Bible be true? It was written during old times which has been confirmed. It was actually written by many people -- not just one person; I don't think so many people would actually make this up. There were even eyewitnesses which was written within living memory of the historical document. You might now think to yourself, well, maybe these were a group of people that wanted to cause chaos and just randomly make up some information about God. Well, this is not true. There were actually outside sources, too. Josephus wrote an article about Jesus during Jesus' time. He, while writing, actually doubted that Jesus was really the "Son of God". This, itself, proves that the Bible's facts are real and authentic -- none of it were lies. Also, there were ancient architecture of history that is still preserved during Jesus' and God's time. Broken fragments of objects that have proved that the Bible is real. Why do you people still question the existance of God? If you are questioning the existance of God, you should be asking yourself, if you think Roman history is real, then the Bible is real due to the reasons I have listed above. Going back to Atheists. These are people who can not accept the fact that they are truely "reigned" over by a superior power (God). They will think that none of this is true and that all of it is rubbish. They believe Roman history, why not the Bible? It's the same thing except it teaches you to do good. It's even better than Roman history, it's even teaching you. I would love to see opinions on this -- and what are the evidence that God is not real? I really want to see that upclose because I have never heard absolutely any evidence that God is not real and would love to inspect this matter.
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SGCHS
Sep 14 2006, 01:02 AM
From Answers.com: QUOTE re·li·gion (rĭ-lĭj'ən)
n.
1
a. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
b. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion. I think #4 defines many people no matter what it is they are obsessed with, whether they be Atheists, Liberials, Conservatives, lovers, criminals....you get the idea...
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DogEater008
Sep 14 2006, 01:26 AM
i have to disagree with that. Atheism isn't a religon. An atheist is one that does that believe in existance of any supernatural being(s). Atheism isn't a cult, therefore it does not have to be organized like reglions. Also, i would like to point that that buddism isn't a reglion about supernatural beings that helped human through hard time, but instead, "buddha(s)" are teachers that teach moral to people. Through their good deeds, people decided to worship them as gods. And about you not being able to prove non-existacnce of god, maybe that is because god does not exist. I recently went to a Islam church for a field trip at my school (learning about civil liberties during wartime and stuff), there was a point that they pointed out that is very interesting. In christanity, they claim that Jesus is son of god. Jesus, however, claimed himself as god also. But as we know, God is not materialize, meaning he/she (or whatever) cannot be touch, feel, or seen. I'm not exactly sure that my information are correct, but if it is, then wouldn't there be a false in christanity? I'm not trying to make any reglion looks bad or prove it to be a fraud, but i'm just tired of people telling me that god exist and that i'm going to HELL if i don't believe in God. If god were that mericful, no matter if a person beleive in him/her(whatever) or not shouldn't be put to hell.
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truefusion
Sep 14 2006, 05:43 AM
Atheism is a religion, no matter how one looks at it, since it falls under definition #6 for the word " religion" (straight from dictionary.com): QUOTE 6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
QUOTE Jesus, however, claimed himself as god Jesus didn't claim to be God--maybe a god, or being one with God, but not God. QUOTE ...and that i'm going to HELL if i don't believe in God. Here's the main reason why they say that, one word: repentance. It is clearly stated throughout all Abrahamic religions that one must repent to God. Those who don't repent are destined to hell because they are not free of sin, and sin is the requirement to be sent to hell. Since one does not believe in God, they won't repent to Him. Repentance is just one requirement to enter Heaven. Another requirement that must be met is good deeds, in order to enter Heaven.
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Albus Dumbledore
Sep 14 2006, 06:02 AM
off topic. i was up in washington, and on a church's sign it said being a good person wont get you into heaven... that was the laughing joke on the way home 
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sylenzednuke
Sep 14 2006, 09:01 AM
QUOTE First of all, how did we find out about history. In example, Roman history was mostly discovered because of old documents and architecture that has preserved itself throughout the 2,000 or more years. The documents were written during the time that something has really happened; so that is proof that Roman history is true. Well then, each and every religion is true and not only Christianity but even that self-floating bridge built by Rama and also all other religions are true. Well, I am not saying that you tired to prove that Christianity is the only true religion its just that you said "Christianity is 'THE' only true religion" even if you would have said that "Christianity is 'A' true religion", I wouldn't have minded that. And yeah so now why don't I believe in god, well, there maybe a god and as I said, I have the right to choose what I want to believe, well you call yourself a Muslim, Catholic or a Hindu as you have many things in common and its just not that you only believe in one god and thats the reason you all fall together. As for atheism we only have one belief in common. And for examples, there are more than 24000+ gods in the religion I was born with "Hinduism" itself and people call themselves belonging to a single religion even though they have their own values and gods. I am not saying that Hinduism is great but if I am forced to have a religion and I can't live without one, I would chose it as it allows you to modify some values and add your own, it accepts your denial to believe in god and still allows you to follow the Hindu literature, which I find quite boring by the way.  And I agree on what Chris has to say about atheism being considered as a religion.
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chopsticky
Jan 13 2008, 01:41 AM
"INTELLIGENCE! forsaking intelligence for faith is the order of BUSINESS of ALL reliegeons!" DEF #1. capacity for learning, reasoning, understanding, and similar forms of mental activity; aptitude in grasping truths, relationships, facts, meanings, etc. So where do you suppose intelligence came from? And please don't tell me that it evolved from non-intelligence. Would it not take intelligence to pass on intelligence? Just some thoughts. Is intelligence tangible?
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illroy
Aug 23 2007, 07:15 PM
QUOTE(brainless @ Sep 13 2006, 06:02 PM)  2) Atheists, though not as well-organized as most religious people, do the same as religious people do - claim to have evidence about one or more god's existence (which is supposed to proof the non-existence of any gods).
Due to this behavior very similar to that of religious people, I suggest atheism should be considered 'some form' [sorry, I haven't thought this through yet either] of religion.
well, what shall we do with those who want to keep on claiming to be not religious? I can certainly see why your name is brainless, First of all to pressume that an Atheist is less organized than a religeous person such as yourself, is a fatal error, and a pompous lapse in judgement on your part. All the organization an Atheist needs has been provided throughout history in any and all religeons (your's included). A simple example of the sort of grey area that ANY and ALL religeons fail to cover is the fact that the foundational substance upon which they stand, requires a pathetic and Dangerous abandonment of the very tool and weapon that has ensured human survival to date as a species, and that is INTELLIGENCE! forsaking intelligence for faith is the order of BUSINESS of ALL reliegeons! For you to include "[sorry, I haven't thought this through yet either] " also proves you really don't understand what your talking about. An Atheist does NOT believe, Repeat that! An Atheist DOES NOT BELIEVE! in God, they don't need to believe! YOU NEED to believe in something other than yourself in order compensate for the fact that as an animal you are weak of hand and slow afoot as compared to the rest of nature's creatures! Atheist accept personal responsibility for thier survival and for the survival of the Human race in clear practical "im cold, im hungry, im scared, im happy, im not" terms. And of all the examples of Civilizations to use, you pick the Romans! as your PROOF! that God and or Jesus exists or existed! I can rebut your "circumstantial clay pot physical evidence theory " with two words ....Tyranosaurus Rex! Institutionalized faith sucks and will Destroy what good men and women have built for you to have the Luxury to take for granted. like the screen you are looking at and the chair your buttocks are in WAKE -T -F -UP!
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BooZker
Nov 2 2006, 08:22 AM
QUOTE respect man.
i would just like to add my opinion, that i consider myself a radical atheist, a man thet KNOWS, not belives, there is no such thing as god. I consider myself a radical atheist also, but remember that you do not KNOW there is no god or that there is a god. You can only use facts from around you, but they will never prove or disprove god. You can not disprove Zeus either, but how many people think this is a real god? Not many. I'm guessing less then 1% of the world. So in a sense, and please don't take this the wrong way which others sometimes tend to do, but just about every single person on this Earth is an atheist. As one man said "Some just take it one step further" I tend to think logical. Logically, yes there is more proof god is not existent, but i can not prove my point and neither can any Jewish, Christian, Buddhist, ect that god does exist.
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83perish
Oct 21 2006, 04:13 PM
QUOTE(morosophos @ Oct 7 2006, 06:10 AM)
Atheism is not a religion in the strict sense, but it is a system of beliefs just as much as monotheism, polytheism, and deism are systems of belief. Each of these systems does not lay down strict religious doctrine or dogma, but they do create a basis of belief. For instance, monotheism---as the word would suggest---means "one god." This word by itself does not carry any specific implications with it, outside of the existence of only one god. However, the effects of the notion of monotheism can be seen in the derived religions themselves like Christianity, Islam, or Judaism: the first Commandment demands no idolatry and the worship of one god ("God"). Therefore, it can be seen that some specific characteristics of a given religion can be traced from its base ideology.
In some cases, the broader ideology has a graver effect on beliefs itself. A good example of this is pantheism on Hinduism. The idea of Brahman as the ultimate immanent, transcendent, obiquitous entity literally makes Brahman the "all god," the pan-theos. Atheism follows similarly, whereas atheism means "no god." Atheism is the affirmative belief that the situation is such whereas not any god exists, not to be confused with the belief that the situation is not such whereas any god exists. The former is atheism, but the latter is more unclear. For instance, if one believes in spirits, the latter still fits the description. Atheism is the belief that no gods exist at all. Since atheism is confirmed a belief, then, is it a religion?
A religion typically includes several aspects: a base theology, a specific theology, and then derived credos and doctrines. The individual components are far more fuzzy in far-eastern philosophy than western philosophy; separating Taoism into these components is a life's work, but something such as Christianity (I only continue to use this as an example because it can be related-to widely) is easily dissected. The idea of no worship of other gods but the one God is perfectly logical, provided the premise of there existing but one god. Therefore, with no god, what affairs follow? The idea that there is no god does not necessarily dictate that there is no morality, just that the morality must be derived from elsewhere than the Divine. The quickest resolution to the question is that human nature provides the answer to morality, or perhaps natural law.
If something as universal as human nature or natural law governs the specifics of atheism, than atheism truly is both a base ideology and a religion.
respect man. i would just like to add my opinion, that i consider myself a radical atheist, a man thet KNOWS, not belives, there is no such thing as god.
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deathzero
Oct 21 2006, 03:12 AM
Hello good east subject parese interesting and desidi to present to me my ideas on the different religions that there are in this world for that reason it will leave my commentary positive. good I believe in God my heart yet am catolico and have well my thoughts towards where go and for where boy, I am completely safe that God exists and that nothing or nobody can make doubt it. as far as this also I can say that God this in all sides is why have many religions of different ways to see the God world this has watching because all the religions are single in the end a unique that matters is what we ourself we created and we do have lives that I give of advice friends it Creates in God and lives the life to max God loves to me and to you also DONT/ FORGET!! you forget that is your father and it wants to YOU!!!!
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