Bash
Mar 5 2005, 03:13 PM
| | I know that nowadays the word gets thrown around quite a lot - and to my mind far too much - but the question that I think is of some interest before people get into a debate about race is, WHAT EXACTLY do we take racism to mean?
Of course we can give dictionary definitions - but how well do these apply to the common conceptions that we have - do they correlate to the connotations that people attach to it?
Is it possibly just a fact that we use the word in far too many different ways for it to have much meaning? Is the technical definition far wider than we seem to realise?
Is all "racism" wrong? Is all prejudice bad? Is anyone who notes a difference between races a racist? If I were to say that on the whole, black people are faster than whites - would I be a racist myself?
I would be very interested to hear what people take the word to mean, and whether they think they use it in the proper way all the time. |
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Cammy
Mar 5 2005, 07:12 PM
A racist is someone who doesnt like someone because of their race if you want the general definition and prejudice is judging someone before knowing who they are based on past experiences. People can and do hate their own race as well as others. When you meet someone from another country or whos different then you and ask them where they are from its easy to prejudge them, associate them with people you know from that country. Can be a good or bad thing. The black people being faster than whites is just a generalization, again can be good or bad. Some generalizations are based on fact, problem is people get painted with the same brush and it proves to be dammaging. I cant like rock music cause Im black? I dont know how to swim casue it will dammage my hair. All those are wrong about me and others. Its absurd. Ive heard worse but Ill leave it at that...I am black and was born in Canada. People always ask me where Im from even though Im from Canada, I get offended sometimes, other times I let it slide. I dont use derogatory terms. if I find out one is offensive to a group of people I stop using it. I dont care if its in songs or movies. I dont like it I dont teach it I wont lower myself.
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choetry
Apr 2 2005, 09:16 AM
Prejudice is discrimination in general and racism is racial discrimination. They have almost the same meaning, that's what I think. Both of them are wrong because they are based on false beliefs, and can incur hurt feelings. So regarding the statement 'black people are faster than whites', you are not a racist, because it's statistically proven so. It's not a false belief, and I believe no white people will get hurt by the statement. A racist statement would be something like a race is smarter than the other.
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Seņor Maniac
Apr 20 2005, 11:35 PM
I feel that racism is using the nationallity or color of skin to discriminate people. This I think is wrong. But saying something like alot of black people are faster than white people is not racist is true because of the fact that the statement is coming from alot of truth. I believe that prejudice is more of a jealousy thing between races. Like discriminate against someone because of the fact that they have something or someone that you do not have or discriminating because of the fact that someone has something better than what you have and you want it.
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Cammy
Apr 21 2005, 03:52 AM
I guess it all depends on where its coming from. When people assume my son plays basketball because hes black and he's tall he gets offended and he should. Not all blacks are fast, not all blacks can dance(my brother has no rhythm  . We are not supposed to be smart, just be good at sports and dancing. When we get ahead sometimes people assume its not by our own merit, someone gave us a break, felt sorry or wanted to fill the quota. That irks me.
Many times people assume my son is going to steal because hes black and follow him around and his friends, they dont follow the asian and white kids around while they fill their pockets  , its something that some take for granted and makes me wish they could walk a single day in my shoes and see the ignorance in the world.
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Neutrality
Apr 22 2005, 12:35 PM
I think that Racism has been stretched too far in some cases. What I mean by this is that people start to think certain things are racist when they actually aren't. I think that's what the media is trying to drill into us - that pointing out any distinguishing qualities from one race is considered racist. There's a fine line between distinguishing two races and putting down one race to boost the other one up. I'm not saying that Racism doesn't exist or anything like that, I'm just saying that some people are trying make even the most innocent comments seem racist.
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no9t9
Apr 22 2005, 01:19 PM
i don't understand why people would get mad at someone who has assumed a black person can play basketball. Why would this be considered racism or discrimination? Stereotyping WORKS. People fit into profiles and it is obvious that not 100% of people will fit the profile but MOST will. The example of blacks can run faster than other races, mentioned earlier, is clearly TRUE. How many non-blacks have won the 100m in the olympics? Better yet, how many ASIANS have won the 100m? Am I being racict when I say asians can't run fast? Sure, there are cases where an asian can run faster than a black guy, but ON AVERAGE and in MOST CASES, the black guy will be faster. This isn't racism, it is called generalizations based on statistical observations. If you STILL think that is racist, how about this statement. Black people have the darkest skin color of all the races. But wait, not all black people are that dark. Some people from india, sri lanka, or even thailand are darker than some black people. It isn't racism to generalize or stereotype. And I don't think it is wrong to generalize either. That's human nature. If you walked into a bad neighborhood, wouldn't you ASSUME that a group of mean looking black guys are carrying guns, in a gang, etc.? You would assume this in order to protect yourself. If you DIDN'T assume this, you might do something stupid and get hurt. Obviously those guys may not be bad but you don't know so you play it safe.
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outlawspirit
Apr 22 2005, 01:31 PM
Racism: A member from another race putting down another race below there race for instance... Blacks thinking there race is superiour to whites Whites thinking there race is superiour to blacks and the same for asians... If you have a disagreement with another person and they happen to be a different race, this is not seen as racism, however if a racist word is thrown out then this would be a racist remark... Its basically thinking your race is far superiour than the other races, you look down on them... I for one am not racist, and i can get along with black, whites, asians any race at all, but when i hear racist remarks and if they are not in anyway directed at me but another race, i still feel offended I think to be a racist, you need 2 be ignorant... seeing a racist being racist is the bliss of ignorance, its personality not race... as for the comment, "if i said all blacks were faster than whites" would that be a racist remark? nope, its a general statement of course... it may not be a 100% true statement, but i dont see how it is a racist statement... i think people are far to touchy upon this subject... people need to realise, i mean the racists... the only ones who are different are the racists themselves...
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Cammy
May 3 2005, 04:52 PM
...would you assume differently if it were a groups of mean looking white guys carrying guns ? Of all the places Ive been too Ive never seen men of any race waving guns around in plain sight and Ive been through some bad hoods. If I see a group of mean looking people. I proceed with caution, period. Im a mom with kids, its second nature.
A stereotype is just that a stereotype, it may not even be true. They also put limitations on people. Some hold on to these ideals like the gospel and spread it around, start to accept it without question. Generalizations can be just as bad as racism. Its the assumption, someone thinking they know me without knowing a thing about me. At times it annoys me to no end. For example, someone was shocked that I was valedictorian of my high school, and said its always the Asian kids who do that, cause they are so smart. So does that mean Im dumb cause Im black. Ive read the lit, the statistics, but who wrote that, who did the tests, who made the standards?
There are black scientists, doctors, lawyers and would be more of them if the racist professors and teachers didnt fudge the grades. I took my boys out of their school cause and transferred them to another cause I had enough of the nonesense. Its nice to be treated as an individual first. That would be refreshing for a change. My partner is white and he experiences what I go through every day cause he is with me. Its something he never had to think about and his eyes are wide open now. I hope our son wont have to worry about ignorance as much as we do now.
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no9t9
May 3 2005, 11:53 PM
QUOTE ...would you assume differently if it were a groups of mean looking white guys carrying guns? Of all the places Ive been too Ive never seen men of any race waving guns around in plain sight and Ive been through some bad hoods. If you read what I wrote a bit more carefully, I didn't say "a group of black guys waving guns around in plain sight". I said, if you saw a group of mean looking black guys in a bad neighborhood, you ASSUME they are carrying guns. Even if that group of mean looking black guys are in a GOOD neighborhood most people will probably assume they are packing. QUOTE There are black scientists, doctors, lawyers and would be more of them if the racist professors and teachers didnt fudge the grades. I don't think you understand how stereotypes and generalizations work. There are always EXCEPTIONS but STATISTICALLY you will see a higher proportion of non-blacks in those professions you listed. The REASONS are not being argued. Whether the "generalization" is correct or not is the main point. But, let me give you an example. I did my engineering degree and there were TWO black people in my class out of 130. I also did my masters in business. There were THREE black people in my class of 100. In terms of statistics, those black people are outside 3 standard deviations which means they are anomolies. Finally, that last part "more of them [would be docters, etc.] if the racist professors and teachers didn't fudge the grades" is a very racists or stereotypical comment. How can you say you hate generalizations/stereotypes/racism and say something like that?
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iGuest
Oct 21 2009, 11:00 PM
The real issue
Racism And Prejudice - Defined?
You guys have it all backwards and mixed up.
Read the original question that started this discussion-
"I would be very interested to hear what people take the word to mean, and whether they think they use it in the proper way all the time."
Everyone uses the word racism or racist incorrectly - for a reason. They use it because it incites more emotion and reaction than the word prejudice. Racism is simply the belief that ones race dictates ones abilites and capabilites / that the differences between races makes one race superior to the other. Simple
99% of the time someone cries racism/racist they should have used the word prejudice - an irrational hostility or negative atttitude towards a certain group, individual or race. But the word prejudice is way too vanilla so they use the amped up replacement of racism.
If you profile or discriminate or make a judgement about someone based solely on their race it's prejudice
-reply by happydan
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iGuest
Sep 20 2009, 01:27 PM
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Racism And Prejudice - Defined?
Boy, for a southern man who claims not to be racist, you sure have a problem with with black people. Of course blacks are treated differently, they are black, and not all blacks have problems with whites. Racism is taught, and it seems to me that living in the south, it is taught more often that it is up north. If you claim not to be racist, then you should really stop complaining about blacks.
-reply by Alan
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iGuest
Aug 31 2009, 12:49 AM
Yea.. SO???
Racism And Prejudice - Defined?
I don't understand what is the big deal here... Racism is a form of discrimination and will always exist whether you like it or not.
Discrimination is the main problem here. It can be based on race, religion and many other factors. The simple truth is people don't know or try to understand people different from their own perceived qualities. People like to be with others they can relate to, for some it may be colour of skin or for others religion and so on.
The real issue in my opinion cant be solved because ANY "group" whether black, white or in between are in MAJORITY would always want things to be advanageous to them because they will have the power, in a democratic society simply because its human nature.
So unless by some miracle we give up our selfishness and ego, and truly try to understand other people there can never be an end. I may be pessemistic but I am sure about this. I can imagine a caucasian family if ever moved (obviously not as tourists) to India, they would be so heavily stereotyped and discriminated simply because they would be different from the locals.
-reply by Chander Siddarth
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dangerdan
Jul 1 2009, 03:17 PM
I would define racism as a prejudgement of character based on race. Racism is a specific (probably most common) form of prejudice and in that sense the two could be used synonymously.
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iGuest
Jun 15 2009, 06:59 PM
Racism And Prejudice - Defined?
Racism And Prejudice - Defined?
My husband and I argue about this all the time. We perceive things very differently when it comes to racism vs prejudice. I think racism is based on hate of a particular race, culture, or ethnicity. Prejudice is just an idea about something or someone based on visual factors, race, ethnicity, culture, etc. For instance to say that overweight people are that way because they all overeat and have no self control is a prejudice statement. You are making a generalization based on visual appearance. Usually prejudice staments are based from ignorance or lack of knowledge about a certain person. Or black people are superior to non-blacks as far as athletic ability (prejudice). Racism, on the other hand, is to say I hate black people because they have superior atheletic abilties to non-blacks. So racism can develope from prejudice. In another instance the popular movie 'White Men Can't Jump', that is not racism but a prejudice based on the idea that white people are not as atheletically inclined as non-whites.
-reply by Qt_K
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