Yai64
Sep 17 2008, 03:54 AM
| | The thing about MMORPG private servers, are that there are too many of them.
Ask yourself:
"Is it worth creating a private server to attract player when there are already thousands out there?"
"Is it worth creating a private server and getting sued?"
"Is it worth it to use up RAM and Internet to host one?"
"Is it worth it to get hacked?"
"Is it worth it competing against other servers knowing that they are much better than you?"
Is it worth it in the end?
I say, it is.
When you're creating a private server of your own, have a think about these things.
And be careful out there.
P.S: If you have decided to make a MapleStory private server and are having problems, feel free to PM me. Sorry, I only do MS Private Servers. |
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DeM0nFiRe
Sep 17 2008, 09:29 PM
Nice, so you are condoning things that are illegal, and advertising that you personally take place in them. Here's a crazy thought, why don't you make your own game and host servers for your own game. Considering you are in the Game Development Lab and this topic has nothing to do with Game Development, you might as well do something related to game development. How about I make this topic about game development myself? You know how long it takes to make a game like the ones you are pirating? You know how much effort goes into making a game like that? Why don't I had some questions to your list of consideration: "Is it worth undermining the work of the people who put many years into making this game?" "Is it worth causing the prices of video games to rise to compensate for my pirating this game?" "Is it worth causing companies to impose very strict usage terms on their games because I am pirating this game?" Why don't you think about somebody else for a change, and just play the game legally.
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Yai64
Sep 18 2008, 04:08 AM
illegal is more fun than legal 
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DeM0nFiRe
Sep 18 2008, 09:26 PM
What pisses me off the most is not the fact that it is illegal, it is the fact that you are hurting gamers and game developers by pulling this crap. You only give a crap about yourself and no one else. You'd better not ever complain about game development companies making their terms of use more strict, because it is your own fault.
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travstatesmen
Sep 19 2008, 01:09 AM
Yai64, you may like to have a look at the Terms of Service for MapleStory. These are the terms that you agreed to when you created your first account in their game. In particular, one of the points under section 2.2 Code of Conduct.... QUOTE While using the Service, you agree not to: - Host, provide matchmaking services for, or emulate or redirect the communications protocols used by us (or our designees) as part of the Service, including, without limitation, by protocol emulation, tunneling, reverse engineering, modifying the Software or using a utility program to host the Software;
I have never seen MapleStory before, but I gather that it is similar in technical functionality to World of Warcraft, who have a similar restriction in their TOS (see section 4A of the WoW Terms of Use Agreement). Private Servers are prolific for WoW these days, and as with MapleStory they are illegal according to the TOS which you have to agree to before creating an account in their game system. Researching for this reply to your post has been quite an eye-opener, as there are many good intentioned people out there on the Interwebz who have been giving legal advice to people like you, telling you that it is perfectly legal to do what you are doing. Nobody seems to be questioning the credentials of the people giving such legal advice! Do not be fooled! The rules for such things are generally already stipulated, as in the example above, on the main website of the gaming company. You don't need a legal opinion. You have already agreed, by creating an account on their server, that you will abide by their rules and will not create a private server. Case closed.
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Yai64
Sep 19 2008, 04:50 AM
QUOTE(DeM0nFiRe @ Sep 19 2008, 09:26 AM)  What pisses me off the most is not the fact that it is illegal, it is the fact that you are hurting gamers and game developers by pulling this crap. You only give a crap about yourself and no one else.
You'd better not ever complain about game development companies making their terms of use more strict, because it is your own fault. It isn't hurting players... And I do not give a crap only about myself, i give a crap about the community. Plus I did not start this private server revolution. It was a fellow member of the public.
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travstatesmen
Sep 19 2008, 06:11 AM
What amuses me about this, and I have seen this happening a lot as I study cyberpsychology, is how people such as Yai64 start playing an online game, enjoy it, get involved in the community of fellow gamers, discuss the game outside of the borders of the game's official site (such as on a forum, fan site, or via instant chat) and then suddenly they think that they have a proprietary interest in the game, almost as if they have rights over the game. This is something that comes from Web2.0 technology, user participation, user contribution, user-generated content. For instance, taking another popular Web2.0 site as an example, there are many people who regularly contribute videos to YouTube who seem to think that they own the site! User-generated content doesn't mean that you have ownership of the site! You may have rights over whatever you personally contribute, but the owners of the site still are the owners of the site. The same goes for this situation with Private Servers. The gaming community seem to think that because they spend all their life playing these games, they somehow have rights over the software and can do whatever they like with it. Reverse engineering, creating patches, custom UI's, and other violations of the TOS are commonplace, and then they think that if everybody else is doing it then it must be okay! What?! Do the rules not apply if you can get enough people to break them with you? Sorry, I agree with DeM0nFiRe on this.
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DeM0nFiRe
Sep 19 2008, 08:38 PM
Thank you for the support on this one, travstatesmen. You are actually being more lenient with your argument than you should be. In actuality many TOS say that you give them a lot of your rights over any content you post. Yai64, you are hurting players by forcing game companies to up their security and up their prices for games.
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minimcmonkey
Sep 19 2008, 08:57 PM
I really think it is bad that people make private servers. Many people, spend lots of time, making these games, and that is their job, its their income, and by making a private server of thier game, you are steeling their money. Its just like, at the end of the month, going and taking someones pay cheque for a job someone else has done, it really is no beter than steeling.
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x3NoMercy
Sep 22 2008, 12:09 PM
I can tell u all that Jacky is 1 of the good Owner i ever met before. He puts a lot of effort in making a MS Server. He ask for our opinion and treat us so well. Although my country is far away from him, but i hope someday i will meet him. Jacky keep up your good work, all of us will support you !!!
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iGuest
Nov 16 2008, 03:01 PM
Private4Me
Private Servers
I for one, used to hate private servers because people generally say that it's bad. But after playing flyff for 2 years, I finally had enough of their ****ed up customer service and horrible rates. I spent hundreds of $$ on that POS game because they kept me believing that they would make it more balanced, fair for all classes, etc. They only care bout selling their spros with horrible upgrade rates. I liked the game, I hated the company. I moved to a private server, nicer gms, free cash shop items that shouldn't of been even 1/10 of the price they sell it for. PROBLEM SOLVED.
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Tran-Gate
Oct 30 2008, 11:56 PM
Ehh...I don't trust hosting a private server... Odin just got sued a few months ago by NEXON for 300k euros...
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harrison858
Oct 30 2008, 11:53 PM
QUOTE(Yai64 @ Sep 16 2008, 10:54 PM) The thing about MMORPG private servers, are that there are too many of them.
Ask yourself:
"Is it worth creating a private server to attract player when there are already thousands out there?"
"Is it worth creating a private server and getting sued?"
"Is it worth it to use up RAM and Internet to host one?"
"Is it worth it to get hacked?"
"Is it worth it competing against other servers knowing that they are much better than you?"
Is it worth it in the end?
I say, it is.
When you're creating a private server of your own, have a think about these things.
And be careful out there.
P.S: If you have decided to make a MapleStory private server and are having problems, feel free to PM me. Sorry, I only do MS Private Servers. To answer these questions: "Is it worth creating a private server to attract player when there are already thousands out there?" True that there are thousands out there, but very few of them are for commercial use. There are like 60% of them that are using their own computers as a server, hosting 2-D games, that nobody plays on. My answer is yes.
"Is it worth creating a private server and getting sued?" The only way you can get sued is if you're doing illegal acts, like copying a game and hosting it into your own server. But if you host a private server with your OWN game on it, then there shouldnt be a problem. If you're planning to do something illegal, my answer is no. If you're hosting your own private server with your own game, my answer is yes, but you might need some help.' "Is it worth it to use up RAM and Internet to host one?" If you're planning to have attracted a lot of users and store a lot of graphics, my answer to that is no, if you're doing that on your own computer. You should try to find a safe server that you could buy from the internet, and just upload it to there. I think Trap17 has the option to buy a server or something like that. (Correct me if I'm wrong). "Is it worth it to get hacked?" IF you copy a game illegally, then prepare to get hacked. Once hackers find out that your game has no security or hack shield on it (Which is easy to bypass, anyways). they will start hacking. If you create your own game, chances are that there wont be a hacker interested in playing it. "Is it worth it competing against other servers knowing that they are much better than you?" As I've answered to the first question: "True that there are thousands out there, but very few of them are for commercial use. There are like 60% of them that are using their own computers as a server, hosting 2-D games, that nobody plays on. My answer is yes."Is it worth it in the end? If you do not do anything illegal, and have enough experience to create a successful game, then yes. But if you're planning to do so, I'd say forget it, and move on.
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Deretto
Sep 30 2008, 06:38 PM
Often times private servers ask for donations. Guess what, that's still stealing. Those donations could have gone to the actual company and programmers that worked hard on the game. Not only that, most offer their same services (cash shop) for free. Taking their product, which you stole because you didn't pay for it, and giving it to others for free is wrong. Oh wait, you make donation money. I don't care if you don't profit from it. You're still getting money in some form. Therefore it is stealing. If anything you're still taking potential buyers.
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DeM0nFiRe
Sep 27 2008, 12:41 PM
Right, Right, I don't actually expect him to start making games. However, if he even started a game he'd see that it ain't easy and perhaps he'd appreciate it more. Just a fool's folly, however. I know full well he'll not pay attention to a single word we've said. (Which is evident in the fact he still doesn't see that it is stealing 0_0) And, you're right, this does not belong in game development. One thing that really pisses me off is the fact that this is here. This crap should not be associated with the hard work that actual Game Developers put in.
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