Yai64
Sep 17 2008, 03:54 AM
| | The thing about MMORPG private servers, are that there are too many of them.
Ask yourself:
"Is it worth creating a private server to attract player when there are already thousands out there?"
"Is it worth creating a private server and getting sued?"
"Is it worth it to use up RAM and Internet to host one?"
"Is it worth it to get hacked?"
"Is it worth it competing against other servers knowing that they are much better than you?"
Is it worth it in the end?
I say, it is.
When you're creating a private server of your own, have a think about these things.
And be careful out there.
P.S: If you have decided to make a MapleStory private server and are having problems, feel free to PM me. Sorry, I only do MS Private Servers. |
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DeM0nFiRe
Sep 17 2008, 09:29 PM
Nice, so you are condoning things that are illegal, and advertising that you personally take place in them. Here's a crazy thought, why don't you make your own game and host servers for your own game. Considering you are in the Game Development Lab and this topic has nothing to do with Game Development, you might as well do something related to game development. How about I make this topic about game development myself? You know how long it takes to make a game like the ones you are pirating? You know how much effort goes into making a game like that? Why don't I had some questions to your list of consideration: "Is it worth undermining the work of the people who put many years into making this game?" "Is it worth causing the prices of video games to rise to compensate for my pirating this game?" "Is it worth causing companies to impose very strict usage terms on their games because I am pirating this game?" Why don't you think about somebody else for a change, and just play the game legally.
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Yai64
Sep 18 2008, 04:08 AM
illegal is more fun than legal 
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DeM0nFiRe
Sep 18 2008, 09:26 PM
What pisses me off the most is not the fact that it is illegal, it is the fact that you are hurting gamers and game developers by pulling this crap. You only give a crap about yourself and no one else. You'd better not ever complain about game development companies making their terms of use more strict, because it is your own fault.
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travstatesmen
Sep 19 2008, 01:09 AM
Yai64, you may like to have a look at the Terms of Service for MapleStory. These are the terms that you agreed to when you created your first account in their game. In particular, one of the points under section 2.2 Code of Conduct.... QUOTE While using the Service, you agree not to: - Host, provide matchmaking services for, or emulate or redirect the communications protocols used by us (or our designees) as part of the Service, including, without limitation, by protocol emulation, tunneling, reverse engineering, modifying the Software or using a utility program to host the Software;
I have never seen MapleStory before, but I gather that it is similar in technical functionality to World of Warcraft, who have a similar restriction in their TOS (see section 4A of the WoW Terms of Use Agreement). Private Servers are prolific for WoW these days, and as with MapleStory they are illegal according to the TOS which you have to agree to before creating an account in their game system. Researching for this reply to your post has been quite an eye-opener, as there are many good intentioned people out there on the Interwebz who have been giving legal advice to people like you, telling you that it is perfectly legal to do what you are doing. Nobody seems to be questioning the credentials of the people giving such legal advice! Do not be fooled! The rules for such things are generally already stipulated, as in the example above, on the main website of the gaming company. You don't need a legal opinion. You have already agreed, by creating an account on their server, that you will abide by their rules and will not create a private server. Case closed.
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Yai64
Sep 19 2008, 04:50 AM
QUOTE(DeM0nFiRe @ Sep 19 2008, 09:26 AM)  What pisses me off the most is not the fact that it is illegal, it is the fact that you are hurting gamers and game developers by pulling this crap. You only give a crap about yourself and no one else.
You'd better not ever complain about game development companies making their terms of use more strict, because it is your own fault. It isn't hurting players... And I do not give a crap only about myself, i give a crap about the community. Plus I did not start this private server revolution. It was a fellow member of the public.
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travstatesmen
Sep 19 2008, 06:11 AM
What amuses me about this, and I have seen this happening a lot as I study cyberpsychology, is how people such as Yai64 start playing an online game, enjoy it, get involved in the community of fellow gamers, discuss the game outside of the borders of the game's official site (such as on a forum, fan site, or via instant chat) and then suddenly they think that they have a proprietary interest in the game, almost as if they have rights over the game. This is something that comes from Web2.0 technology, user participation, user contribution, user-generated content. For instance, taking another popular Web2.0 site as an example, there are many people who regularly contribute videos to YouTube who seem to think that they own the site! User-generated content doesn't mean that you have ownership of the site! You may have rights over whatever you personally contribute, but the owners of the site still are the owners of the site. The same goes for this situation with Private Servers. The gaming community seem to think that because they spend all their life playing these games, they somehow have rights over the software and can do whatever they like with it. Reverse engineering, creating patches, custom UI's, and other violations of the TOS are commonplace, and then they think that if everybody else is doing it then it must be okay! What?! Do the rules not apply if you can get enough people to break them with you? Sorry, I agree with DeM0nFiRe on this.
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DeM0nFiRe
Sep 19 2008, 08:38 PM
Thank you for the support on this one, travstatesmen. You are actually being more lenient with your argument than you should be. In actuality many TOS say that you give them a lot of your rights over any content you post. Yai64, you are hurting players by forcing game companies to up their security and up their prices for games.
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minimcmonkey
Sep 19 2008, 08:57 PM
I really think it is bad that people make private servers. Many people, spend lots of time, making these games, and that is their job, its their income, and by making a private server of thier game, you are steeling their money. Its just like, at the end of the month, going and taking someones pay cheque for a job someone else has done, it really is no beter than steeling.
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x3NoMercy
Sep 22 2008, 12:09 PM
I can tell u all that Jacky is 1 of the good Owner i ever met before. He puts a lot of effort in making a MS Server. He ask for our opinion and treat us so well. Although my country is far away from him, but i hope someday i will meet him. Jacky keep up your good work, all of us will support you !!!
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iGuest
Apr 15 2009, 06:24 PM
Private server
Private Servers
I am for private servers,but however it does affect Nexon. It takes players away from them, players that could have potentially bought NX cash. Private servers in itself are not illegal seeing as nexon distributes their files to millions of people. What IS illegal is donations(I think), and more specifically distributing the client which is editing the files and such. What makes it most definately illegal is the new ToS. If your a nerd like me and read it just for the info and understanding, then you know. If you don't, here it is:
"In addition you agree not to create, design, disseminate, link,
Distribute, provide access to or use any third party programs, bots,
Scripts, codes, bypass, memory scanning software, hacks or cheats
Designed to alter the game play or to modify the code to play the game
Differently than it was intended by means of programs not permitted or
Authorized by Nexon, which include, but are not limited to: hacks,
Private servers, cheat engines, memory altering scripts or codes
(including but not limited to disconnection hacks), auto clickers, any
Type of bots and/or game cheats. Any use, dissemination or design of
Such programs shall be deemed a material breach by you of these Terms
Of Service for which you will be liable to Nexon for any resulting
Damages. You agree that if you host or operate a private server of a
Nexon game or host or operate a hack site that sells hacks to a Nexon
Game or if you distribute, disseminate, design, code, moderate and/or
Provide free or paid access to private forums that sell or distribute
Hacks, or assist in the design of any private servers or third party
Programs (such as hacks) that alter the game play of any Nexon game,
You will have the unconditional obligation to pay Nexon America Inc.
The sum of One Hundred Thousand ($100,000) Dollars for each such
Program (including patches) and versions thereof as liquidated damages.
You also agree that if you use such a program to play any of the Nexon
Games, or engage in the use of a private server, you will have the
Unconditional obligation to pay Nexon America Inc. The sum of One
Thousand ($1,000) Dollars as liquidated damages for each time you use
Such a program, which shall be due and payable immediately upon
Notification to you of said infraction"
I know its a lot, but please read it. This ToS states that not only does the owner have to pay $100,00, but each player has to pay $1,000 each time you use the program.
Please keep in mind that I play private servers, and this post had no purpose other than to clear up the illegal or not issue.
-reply by iSoda
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iGuest
Apr 10 2009, 03:52 PM
The reason most people play private servers is because they want to try out a toon at the max level, not to avoid paying. That was the main idea of the private server. Besides... It's not like the people that made the private server ripping the real version are getting paid for it... Doesn't hurt nobody, Also I add that If they play the real version f2p and not p2p then they go to a private server, the real server wouldn't be losing anything. And if they were f2p, who cares? The creator of the real server got paid for the time the user of the server played... Creator made money, why does Creator complain? I'll take his money if hes complaining about it.
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DeM0nFiRe
Mar 14 2009, 11:56 PM
Are you people completely mad? The games are free only for you to play them. They make their money off of advertisements and cash shops. On private servers, they don't make their money. Bottomline line is that you have absolutely no right to do it. When you download and install the client, you agree to a license that says you will refrain from doing just that.
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iGuest
Mar 10 2009, 01:01 AM
The only reason I play privates is cause I don't feel like leveling, and I wanna try all the chars out at max level and it some decent gear. I don't play them so I don't have to pay...
Its there fault for not making a instant max level server -.-
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iGuest
Mar 9 2009, 10:42 AM
I agree the dude who started this convo. I totaly agree with you there
my friend Nexon has
FREE mmorpgs. About
them loosing money yeah I can see you people getting mad. But I'm my
experiance in createing private servers (ConquerOnline/MapleStory/WoW)
I made it so they leveled kinda close to the same, sure a few things
like the cash thing was free, but I made it fair...Even though the so
called "companys TQ digital, Nexon are the companys that wont lose
money from Private servers but Blizzard on the other hand will so I say
go ahead make the
FREE mmorpgs
private servers but the companys that requires a subscription I say
keep ya hands off lol unless you have Blizzards approval witch wont
happen lawl!
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