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I think that macs and windows are nice to have in the same business. For instance. Such as a web design business. I would give the Designers a MAC. For the Adobe programs. Since mac is a design OS. Then i would let everyone else have windows. Such as techs, and secretaries. They need them also. But macs should be limited to certain people that need to use them. Like I'm a web designer and all ... read more.
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That will never happen. That's why we have an open source movement that actually collaborates free-lance developers and their efforts to provide for the general public free (and mostly good) software.
 Microsoft is competing to have Windows operating systems on every computer in every home, office, and mobile device, as is Apple. Apple has been making quite a leap with its supposed easy-to-use interface and "superior" hardware (which doesn't make sense to me, since both operating systems utilize the same hardware, I believe), and even Linux is making a presence in commercial products (whether you realize it with the Asus eeePCs or not with the PS3 - which uses Yellow Dog). In this age of capitalism and the consequent greed, it would take a benevolent or crazy M$ CEO (since Gates is retiring) to band together with Apple.
little FYI: Macintosh IS the operating system. Apple is the company that makes it.
Vista is pretty unstable, that's why they started making 7 so fast. But you can't say Windows XP doesn't work well. Vista is quite not so ready to be used so much. QUOTE(i_speel_good @ Jul 18 2008, 02:20 PM)  little FYI: Macintosh IS the operating system. Apple is the company that makes it. Vista is pretty unstable, that's why they started making 7 so fast. But you can't say Windows XP doesn't work well. Vista is quite not so ready to be used so much. Well I know, but windows XP has its moments. I'm still a full Unix/Linux person, but i'm not dawging on windows xp, i'm just saying that microsoft should have done what they did with Vista, and how they can control the computing world. Its not really that fair to any other OS. or who makes the OS. I li ke to use Windows XP Pro when it comes to hosting game servers. and makeing it copy my folders and making copy to several diffrent hard drives including one online for my backup websites incase something happens to any of the other hard drives.
I like this little topic. I personally will probably not buy a computer running windows for a very long time. I still insist the best windows computer I had was an old box that my mum got from her work, it has a whopping 32Mb of ram, a P2 I think with a whole 1GB of hard drive space. The only time it crashed was trying to play simcity 2000. It was perfect. and to be honest, with the right hardware I would go back to windows. not vista, maybe XP, but to be honest win98SE was the best in my opinion. IT NEVER CRASHED WITHOUT REASON, unlike a pc or two I've had.
Next is mac. I am a mac user. I love it. I've had less problems with my mac in the last year and 3 months that I have with a computer (PC) I've had for 4 maybe 5 years. Mac have the right idea. When they release a product (for the most part) it is generally pretty stable. Other than a few hiccups which most are ironed out in 6-8 months after the release the operating . I think its something to do with them knowing what goes into every computer, and the ability to design it to be compatible with somewhat "outdated" hardware like leopard being able to run on a g4 with 867MhZ Processor and 512 Ram. The fact its cheaper to buy, theres only one version (as in basic, ultimate etc) Mac is good, stable and in my opinion kicks windows' butt
Sure, but that's just it. You have to pay to get iMovie, which is something disturbing as Windows Movie Maker works nicely and is free. If you turn to apple you have to spend more money on apps that come with Windows than on apps that don't.
And games, don't forget that there are barely any retail PC games compatible with the Mac. I know WoW is compatible, but I don't play it  All these years I've been using XP in different computers I have only seen one or two "What the hell just happened?" crashes, on my friend's clogged with s**t system. When I used Vista for the first time my first thought was that it was a simple OS for people that don't know much about computers, and that was just about it. Microsoft made it too much of a resource hog, making it hard for new people in computers to understand why it was going so slow, which was Microsoft's mistake. I don't want 4GB on my PC with the 2 GB used by the OS and it's Theme, jesus... Linux is also good, but there you have to have a little knowledge about computers in general. I've used it, I still do; it's nice, clean, fast, customizable, you can run windows apps and more. Every OS has it's problems, until the perfect OS comes, we have to stand-by...
Yeah and you want to know why those apps cost, like i've said before Microsoft controls most of the computing world hence the apps on the windows are free, when MAC have to work their butss off trying to get their name out there so they have to make money somehow its not given to them like microsoft has it. Take that into knowledge
QUOTE(williamm @ Jul 20 2008, 05:33 PM) Yeah and you want to know why those apps cost, like i've said before Microsoft controls most of the computing world hence the apps on the windows are free, when MAC have to work their butss off trying to get their name out there so they have to make money somehow its not given to them like microsoft has it. Take that into knowledge Yeah, like the iPhone, it costs like 600$ and after it goes really famous and everyone gets it they release the same phone with more features that costs 200$. Friggin rip-off. They've got so much money from iTunes and iPod, what more do they need?
Well Apple wanted to see where they stood when they brought out the iphone. If people liked it they were going to make it better and sell it cheaper. most companies do that you just don't pay attention. They want to see if they price the items hight enought that people would spend their money on it and if they do and they get more people than they expected then they remake them with more features and bring the cost down. Thats how any one makes their money and sell their products. It's how the world goes around.
Microsoft is the most widespread, therefore the most supported.. However, macs look visually apealing and can be more powerful than windows especially in some types of media, such as Audio or video...
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I think that macs and windows are nice to have in the same business. For instance. Such as a web design business. I would give the Designers a MAC. For the Adobe programs. Since mac is a design OS. Then i would let everyone else have windows. Such as techs, and secretaries. They need them also. But macs should be limited to certain people that need to use them.
Like I'm a web designer and all i have is Windows Computers. I want to get a Mac, so that i can have a better design computer. When you try running Adobe on Windows computers, it takes up a lot of computer usage. Then you computer becomes slow and unstable. Unlike Mac, they will run Adobe programs and still keep the stability up. I think thats what i need to do is get a mac. So if any of you like me want to start a Web Design Business, and don't know what kind of computers to get for your designers, think about macs, it will make you and your designers more satisfied. I know i will when i get my business started. williamm@clubnet-host.com QUOTE(jtimleck @ Aug 20 2008, 10:22 PM) There are a number of books written even on the difference of Mac-heads and windoze users... (The Cult of Apple, I believe is one). It gets to an interesting phenom - that mac users will actually proselytize non-users that they are basically going to hell, and they spend their time, like religious fanatics, "recruiting" and "converting" windoze folk. (disclaimer, I user a mac - I feel dirty every time I user windoze). I love that. It applies to every single thing though... I'm sure Windows and Linux users love to offer their OS's and point out their superior points over the Mac OS. (Cue in the Mac-head response of: "What superior points?"  )QUOTE From the end point of usability macs are just more straight forward. windows constantly throws unexpected curves at you (try having two drives in a windows machine and taking one out... or scrub a drive and put it into a windows machine - get ready for 8 hours of fun - "Disk Error...No OS found..." (no crap Sherlock, but of course you can't install the OS then either). I spent 2 hour ripping down and reinstalling Leopard into a mac. In equivalent terms (same level machine, same level OS) I spent 12 HOURS re-installing XP and updating it (Service Packs are never compiled into "all in one" there are like a billion pieces). From what I understand, Apple aimed for user friendliness. This spun off a ton of spoofs where people made fun of Mac users, portraying them as retarded and/or kiddish. I'm guilty of looking at the white Mac-books as Fisher-Price-looking machines... but then again, I say that about the Asus eeePC too. But 12 hours on an XP machine? You must be an IT guy and having to install EVERYTHING... I complete my XP reinstalls within an hour, but then again, I install Windows XP Professional SP1, then install SP2, and then install all my drivers for my hardware... not to mention I do it locally on my personal machine. (I can see how 12 hours can be realistic installing from a server and having to use Windows Update.) Never had experience with Leopard... but I'm sure installing a Mac OS is probably about as hard as installing Linux, which isn't bad at all considering the power you have over the installation. Then again, that's just in my opinion.QUOTE And windows notorious attitude (under the software hood, I mean) of railroading users into their system is always annoying. Take the recent implementation of Silverlight - supposed to be the next Adobe Flash killer. MS and NBC (under MSNBC, duh) joined forces and crammed this down folks digital throats when they discovered the ONLY way to watch live video around the world for the Olympics was to install this plug in. They even made it for Mac users. Problem. It ONLY works on *very* high end (recent) macs AND pcs - Macs *must* be Intel-based for example. So, in an opportunity to show case new software they pissed off about 90% of mac users that don't have intel machines, and probably 50% of window users. And all during a time when people would REALLY want to be watching something they can't get anywhere else. I was wondering what the heck happened to Silverlight. Since its inception back when I posted about it, I never heard anything about it until now. So much for widespread compatibility and usability... I understand that M$ has to railroad people into using their technologies... why wouldn't any company NOT do it? There's two approaches to the whole scheme of things: rope people into using your stuff and reap in those rewards, or offer it as an "option" and garner a fanbase "voluntarily" to increase your good-guy status (*coughGooglecough*) and gain popularity for your other, more subtle money-making plans (like advertisement). QUOTE So for me it's a no brainer - but mac (apple, more correctly) has been following some of these monopolistic cues as well - like iTunes, iWeb and the recent launch of iPhone and the Apps store with Me.com that all but eviscerated all mac.com users usual experience with dotmac for a bunch of new folk getting shiny phones (and the launch was an abysmal mess - which they admit). But on the other end still macs provide start to finish product control. Their design is simply unparalled. Windoze boxes (until recently with HP and Dell maybe) have been some of the UGLIEST pieces of industrial design EVER conceived. They have always been something you HID from view. Macs are meant to be on display! Now folks might think that's quibbling but that means a fundamentally different relationship with the materials you are using = and the likelihood you'd use it more (the washing machine is usually in the basement for a reason.) Keep in mind that Apple creates their own form factors. Apples are sold as wholes and no one else provides the custom potential that being able to build your own PC offers. Then again, I don't see why you can't just build a PC and install Leopard onto it, considering the fact that a computer is a computer, now with the whole fair share of Intel processors between the two. (Am I missing something here?) However, it is a very nice deal that Apple actually works in creating sleek-looking machines, and although I've never owned one, I can safely say that I don't miss the tangle of cords when playing with the higher-end Macs at my local Best Buy. In all reality, you could get away with hiding as many cords as possible by going wireless with every peripheral as Apple has worked tirelessly on improving the looks of their machines, but unfortunately, I don't know of anyone outside of custom work that actually features a case that's designed to tuck away cords or exclusively depend on hiding USB dongles and wireless receivers. Then again, anything's possible, and I aim to create the best solution in lessening the tangle that has plagued PC owners for the longest time when I build my next desktop. - I used to be a wicked Mac basher. Nowadays, to me a computer is a computer. I don't care for all the arguments for and against PCs or Macs. They say that Macs are better for media applications... but really, it's the software. Has anyone compared iMovie or whatever Macs have to Adobe's suite of video-editing software (like Premiere, After Effects, and GreenRoom)? What about Vegas? I don't know much about the field, so I'm probably being ignorant, but last time I checked, the superiority of a machine being able to process media data lies within an Intel chip, which both PCs and Macs have access to. (I don't know why; I just know that they are better with multimedia as opposed to AMD's superiority with gaming processes with their on-die buffers.) Any computer people can explain why a Macintosh is better than a PC hardware-wise? (And no, we're off the aesthetics discussion.  ) I'm convinced otherwise that the guts of both computers are pretty much identical.
QUOTE(galexcd @ Sep 2 2008, 11:01 AM) Unless you are using vmware or something to run the two operating systems side by side, it won't slow down the computer at all. You are just reading different partitions on the harddrive. Imagine an opperating system is a book. Now you wouldn't be able to read two books at the same time two fast, but if you could choose one book to read and only one at a time, you would be able to read it very efficiently. Ok i see, That makes alot more sense now that i look at it. Well i'm considering to get a mac, for my design work. QUOTE(williamm @ Aug 22 2008, 11:59 AM) But i like your idea get a mac and just multi-boot. Very smart. Now since you do that with a mac does it slow it down much? I mean i have never thought of doing that. Unless you are using vmware or something to run the two operating systems side by side, it won't slow down the computer at all. You are just reading different partitions on the harddrive. Imagine an opperating system is a book. Now you wouldn't be able to read two books at the same time two fast, but if you could choose one book to read and only one at a time, you would be able to read it very efficiently.
I currently use Windows XP, but I want Vista Home Premium, although XP is ok. Apart from when you have a low amount of RAM that is.
I've never used a Linux or Mac PC before, so I wouldn't know what to say about them. -Sky
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