QUOTE(hitmanblood @ May 10 2007, 04:50 AM)

OK I see the need to clarify certain things here. As firstly you just didn't make proof of the biggest number and some other things. More or less you just made mess here.
I'd like to point out that this is a bit too hostile...
QUOTE(hitmanblood @ May 10 2007, 04:50 AM)

Then again the thing you are talking in your so called proof is actually redution ad absurdo or in english reduction to the absurd. You deliberately choose wrong premise and then work your way to prove that this premise is wrong and by doing so proving that in fact your initial premise or the thing you wanted to prove is correct. You can use this wherever you like in math but it will not be successful everywhere.
What you just said was irrelevant. First, I'd like to clarify what RedAlert was trying to prove "There is no such thing as the largest prime number." Hope we're clear on that?
Next, his premises were outlined as "If we multiply all prime numbers up to P, and add 1 to the product, the resulting number would be prime," which, as far as I know, is correct.
If you meant reduction ad absurdum, I think you are also aware that it is, for all intents and purposes, a valid way to prove something. It is not, repeat, is
not deliberately choosing a wrong premise and by proving it wrong, effectively supporting the veracity of the opposite premise. Au contraire, it is proving some theorem right by assuming the opposite (false)
outcome (repeat, outcome and not premise) and proving that, given the premise, it is impossible to arrive at that outcome.
So, what is the opposite outcome? "There is such a thing as a largest prime number P." Now we work on the premise to try and achieve that opposite outcome. "If we multiple all prime numbers up to P and add 1 to the product, the resulting number would be prime." Now, given that the premise was true, the resulting number would be greater than P and, undoubtedly, this reduces the argument "P is the largest prime number" to an absurdity. I hope you do understand how reductio ad absurdum works, as any sane person who actually studied logic should.
QUOTE(hitmanblood @ May 10 2007, 04:50 AM)

And then to tell you whats wrong in your proof it is that you have multiplied prime numbers let's take that number 29 is prime number (it is actually) and that the biggest prime number that is 29 is biggest prime number this is our premise. And by your premise we should obtain number 30. Then we calculate in the way you explained:
1*2*3*5*7*11*13*17*19*23*29+1 = 6469693231 hopefully I calculated all this correctly.
First off, one is not a prime number. Any high school student should already be aware of that.
QUOTE(hitmanblood @ May 10 2007, 04:50 AM)

And now I will explain what prime numbers are. Prime numbers are all those numbers that are divided only with 1 and the number itself.
OK so this result as you said is one larger then 29 so the result should be 30 and it is really larger number then number 30.
Here lies your mistake. You add 1 to the product, not the last factor. You should learn to read other people's posts well before screaming out to the world they're wrong.
QUOTE(RedAlert @ May 5 2007, 07:01 AM)

Then, consider the product of all prime numbers up to P. That is, 2x3x5x7x11x13x...xP. Now add 1 to that product.
The result is a number that, if divided by any prime number, yields a remainder of 1, and therefore is itself prime.
See what I mean? Product, man, product! You add 1 to 6469693230 not 29, 'ayt?
QUOTE(hitmanblood @ May 10 2007, 04:50 AM)

So I wrote small program long time ago and put this number in it and guess what it failed. What a suprise it is not prime number.
6469693231 is divisible by 3. Which proves that your prof is wrong.
Dude, have you ever considered that there's something wrong with the small "program" you "wrote"? 'coz I've already tried dividing 6469693231 by 3 using the calculators of MS Windows and Casio and, surprise, surprise, it is so, most definitely,
not divisible by 3.
QUOTE(hitmanblood @ May 10 2007, 04:50 AM)

WRONG

Yes, you are, m'friend
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