| | I hope this is possible to grow plants on Mars since the planet would then gain oxygen and then people can move to Mars  The problem with Earth's resources becoming too little would also be somewhat solved. |
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wow interesting! I wonder who owns Mars.. I'm actually responding to this to give anyone an FYI about the posted link - it doesnt work anymore.
Actually, Dennis Hope claims ownership of Mars (as well as all other lunar and planetary bodies in our solar system, in accordance with the Outer Space Treaty, from which he exploited a loophole and now supposedly owns everything outside of Earth - read more here), but if you can't decide upon a present to your parents for their birthday, you could buy them a few acres of fertile farmland on Martian soil at this website that they can legally call their own. Atmosphere sold seperately.
QUOTE(Cerebral Stasis @ Jan 5 2006, 12:43 AM) Actually, Dennis Hope claims ownership of Mars (as well as all other lunar and planetary bodies in our solar system, in accordance with the Outer Space Treaty, from which he exploited a loophole and now supposedly owns everything outside of Earth - read more here), but if you can't decide upon a present to your parents for their birthday, you could buy them a few acres of fertile farmland on Martian soil at this website that they can legally call their own. Atmosphere sold seperately.  nice piece of research there, cerebral. dennis hope should realize that "claim of ownership" does not constitute "real ownership".  if he were a martian to begin with and just migrated to earth, then i would think his claim can hold water. lolz! there's also the thing about a paper trail to cover his claim. unless the documentation he has is manufactured from mars, duly-notarized by a court of good standing in mars, then he has no legal premise of laying claim over mars. and if he were indeed martian (we should check his DNA profile ), we should also question his EARTH VISA. he may be an illegal alien, and his earth visa may have expired already, so he must not be allowed to do business on earth any longer. he should be deported back to mars. anyway, just making fun of the situation. on to the topic, edible food and breathable air and potable water are the primary considerations in making possible human interplanetary exploration. we could be exporting earth soil first to mars to make it an immediate reality in the future -- and tons and tons of earth soil for that matter. working on martian soil, with the earth plants man intends to grow there, could pose mutation problems. and after martian food intake, who knows what may happen? a human mutation could not be far. the best solution is to make mars earth-like. let's just imagine mars as a big chunk of acreage we need to fully reclaim by inducing it to function as near as possible to earth's pristine condition. living off mars the way it is will not be suitable to us, humans.
mmmm interesting. . . i suppose it is possible, and could be useful, BUT theres only 2 reasons for growing vegtables on mars. . .
1 . to create food to supposrt life on mars or 2 . to create food for earth. 1) Its goign to take a hell of alot more than just a vegtable garden to sustain human lfie on mars lol 2) the cost and time of the travel would out weigh the cost of selling the vegtables Its all very nice IN THEORY, but thats all it is 
This thread was originally about how, if a human mission goes to Mars, they will need to grow their own foods in order to sustain themselves throughout the entire stay, since one can only pack so much dehydrated food into a suitcase.
Serverph, according to said treaty that was signed by all major world powers, he does, in fact, have every right to claim ownership of all extraterrestrial bodies, and has legally done so. He is selling plots of moons and planets that are, in fact, real estate. It's no joke or hoax, although it seems silly. He had announced that, if any country had a problem with him owning the solar system, they could take it up with him. Here it is, years later, and no country has yet filed any complaints about his "business." I'm considering buying a plot of land for my father for his birthday. He's always wanted to have a farm, but chances are he won't get one in his lifetime, so it's kind of a"thought that counts" thing, since his "farmland" obviously won't be farmable in either of our lifetimes. On the other hand, if one buys some shares to a planet or satellite (moon), it could actually be worth some real money in the unforeseeable future (to one's decendants, for example). As I said, it's the thought that counts.
I hope...
Some facts for Life on Mars. QUOTE A NASA research team of scientists at the Johnson Space Center and at Stanford University has found evidence that strongly suggests primitive life may have existed on Mars more than 3.6 billion years ago. The NASA-funded team found the first organic molecules thought to be of Martian origin; several mineral features characteristic of biological activity; and possible microscopic fossils of primitive, bacteria-like organisms inside of an ancient Martian rock that fell to Earth as a meteorite. This array of indirect evidence of past life will be reported in the August 16 issue of the journal Science, presenting the investigation to the scientific community at large to reach a future consensus that will either confirm or deny the team's conclusion. QUOTE Meterorite ALH84001 This 4.5 billion-year-old rock, labeled meteorite ALH84001, is believed to have once been a part of Mars and to contain fossil evidence that primitive life may have existed on Mars more than 3.6 billion years ago. The rock is a portion of a meteorite that was dislodged from Mars by a huge impact about 16 million years ago and that fell to Earth in Antarctica 13,000 years ago. The meteorite was found in Allan Hills ice field, Antarctica, by an annual expedition of the National Science Foundation's Antarctic Meteorite Program in 1984. It is preserved for study at the Johnson Space Center's Meteorite Processing Laboratory in Houston. QUOTE Microscopic Egg-shaped Structures This electron microscope image shows egg-shaped structures, some of which may be possible microscopic fossils of Martian origin as discussed by NASA research published in the Aug. 16, 1996, issue of the journal Science. A two-year investigation found organic molecules, mineral features characteristic of biological activity and possible microscopic fossils such as these inside of an ancient Martian rock that fell to Earth as a meteorite. The largest possible fossils are less than 1/100th the diameter of a human hair in size while most are ten times smaller. QUOTE Mars Life? - Microscopic Structures In the center of this electron microscope image of a small chip from a meteorite are several tiny structures that are possible microscopic fossils of primitive, bacteria-like organisms that may have lived on Mars more than 3.6 billion years ago. A two-year investigation by a NASA research team found organic molecules, mineral features characteristic of biological activity and possible microscopic fossils such as these inside of an ancient Martian rock that fell to Earth as a meteorite. The largest possible fossils are less than 1/100th the diameter of a human hair in size while most are ten times smaller.
Not too long ago I would've thought that growing any vegetation on Mars would be a longshot, but now it seems we're one step closer to achieving that. It's neat but it would be very costly (money-wise) if it were to be done in the near future. Then again, you never know.
lol.. That's very good idea to make some vegetable plants there so they know is there posibility to make grow anything on diffrent planets not only Earth.. lol.. they havn't sent any people there but alredy try to grow something. That was a big shock to me
 .. Way to go NASA and I hope it all will work for you  ..
The problem with the Martian atmosphere isn't that there is not enough carbon dioxide (the atmosphere is, in fact, 95.32% carbon dioxide, so, in theory, plants would thrive there), but instead that the atmosphere is too thin (.7 kPa - .9 kPa, compared to Earth's 100kPa) for the planet to have enough pressure to support life, which also affects how much heat is trapped from the sun. As a result, the average temperature of mars is -63 C, which is obviously far too cold for plant life.
So, in short, there won't be any way for Mars to be colonized outside of some kind of bubble or something, unless some Star Trek-like terraforming processes are invented (won't happen in our lifetime, nor probably in five lifetimes to come). Furthermore, if you can believe the source, Martian soil has been found to be highly toxic, so not only would one need atmosphere and water, but soil as well. Kind of a barebones package, isn't it? Facts taken from here and here.
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