Lukis New Site

DjLuki

Aug 20 2005, 03:35 AM

alright, take a look at my site that i made all in html, the links are probbably not working except the forums one because i just got done making it, i still need to put the banner and add some more graphics to it to make it more interesting...but for now tell me what you think...

here is the link....
http://berkolli.trap17.com

peace,

Yipster

Aug 20 2005, 04:43 AM

Hmm....by the looks of it your a newcomer to the world of web designing. A good effort to try to copy the phpnuke style with html.

Since trap17 provides php and mysql I suggest you dwelve into php. Its much more efficient way of trying to do what your doing.<<<<Does that make sense? Of course you could always keep to html, but make sure you fix the scrollbar. The left side of the scroller is invisible because it matches the site color, orange. And add some graphics, cuz...well it looks bland with out any pics. A simple wet girl in a bikini pic would spice it up, albeit, all my attention will be diverted to the pic and not the site.

Well, thats my 2 cents, and good luck with web designing.

biscuitrat

Aug 20 2005, 05:44 AM

PHP isn't a language all on its own - it's used for the powerful stuff. You'll need to validate your site as well. Use CSS a bit more and eliminate the need for tables and for the align="" element. I validated it here for you but it has a lot of errors including the fact that you have no doctype to declare what type of document it is :/

I would take out the frames entirely and just type within your sections. Either that or create div layers within the sections and put your content into that. It works a lot better than having tables upon tables everywhere. Also, your links would be easier to designate from your text if you had them underline or something on rollover - better yet if they had a different color on rollover.

I'm sure you're going to make graphics to stick in the site before you're done, but a wet girl in a bikini? Ugh, horrible taste. I would suggest a bunny, but it's really up to you, Luki. Yip, you've just lost about 90,000 Biskie points. FOR SHAME @_@

electriic ink

Aug 20 2005, 09:20 AM

So you created your page using frontpage? If you want your code to validate then you've made a mistake by choosing that program. It writes code for ie so aspects of the page won't show up in firefox and other browsers such as the scrollbar colours you put in. I don't notice the change in the colours.

Next comment, it is not neccessary to change the cursor for links, if anything it may confuse some visitors.

The table background colour should be different from the body background colour and the border attribute for all table cells should be set to zero except maybe on the outside when you may wish to have a 1px border to define the edges.

Also, take out the iframe in the page and replace it with a server side include.

The shoutbox has a different colour scheme than the rest of your site. Make it so that the two schemes are the same. Consistancy plays an important part when making a good webpage.

Before you click on biscuitrat's link add this before your <html> tag:

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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional //EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">

Still needs some improvement, a few graphics should do it I think

Current Rating: 4/10
Rating if firefox compatible: 6.5/10
Rating if firefox campatible and good graphics: 8/10
Rating if firefox campatible and good graphics and vaidates and has a consistant scheme: 10/10

rvalkass

Aug 20 2005, 09:56 AM

I notice you've used tables to lay out your entire site. It may make life easier but they can be a bit unpredictable and its generally not a good idea. Try and find a tutorial or some info on creating a div-based layout.

Next, find a theme for the forum and shoutbox that matches the rest of the site as they both look a bit separated at the moment. I also agree that changing the cursor is a bad idea, it can be confusing and sometimes it won't work in certain browsers.

Personally I think that much of the bright orange is a little too much, it hurtts your eyes after a while! Try toning it down slightly or breaking it up by changing the colour of the table. A good attempt for a first try though, 5/10.

Tyssen

Aug 20 2005, 01:41 PM

I really think it would've been better if you'd done some more work on your site before posting for comments. I'm surprised people have found so much to say about what is, essentially, just a table with some text in it.

karlo

Aug 20 2005, 02:18 PM

I like your site, only it would be nicer if you don't use the Times New Roman font. And please if you can, code your website without using a WYSIWYG Editor. And use CSS instead of Tables... it's the modern way of making a website, as well as the website design, and finally, use PHP, it's a lot easier to maintain and change the layout of the website when you use that powerful scripting language. Good luck!

electriic ink

Aug 20 2005, 03:31 PM

On my second visit I see you added the doctype I gave and removed the frontpage meta tags. On doing this you also removed the content-type tag which is important for passing validation. To solve simply add the below code between the <head> and </head>:

CODE

I see also that when you change the cursors for links, you use the span tag. But you end them in the wrong place. This is how your links should look:

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<a href="downloads.html"><span style="cursor:crosshair">-Downloads</span></a><br>

Notice how the "span" tag is started inside the "a" tag and therefore must be ended inside it aswell. This will clear up a lot of validation errors.

Learning the code yourself will help you understand coding better and will also help you when you come to learn more advanced languages such as php or cgi. You will also be able to go beyond the bounds of frontpage's script collection and compose scripts for yourself...

Edit: Fixed minor coding error

Avalon

Aug 25 2005, 01:04 PM

I'm not going to say anything about the technical aspects of the site except that you need to get away from using Frontpage or any other WYSIWYG editor. You will not learn html using these programs.

My main issue is with the layout and content. This is supposed to be a site about web design and graphic design. The design looks very bland yet at the same time hurts my tired old eyes with all that orange. It is screaming for some graphics, whether that be in the form of graphical buttons or some other relevant graphics.

I'm sorry to be so critical, you asked us what we think and I think it needs a lot of work.

Microsoft

Aug 28 2005, 07:44 PM

its too orang-y and too table-ly

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