Saint_Michael
Aug 5 2008, 07:27 PM
| | Wow and I thought this one website was joking around that Microsoft plans to do one more Windows Operating. I don't know if Windows 7 will be the last one or not but the project goes by the code name Midori and it is based on the Cloud computing concept, which by the way Dell is trying to copyright this name for. All I know about cloud computer is that it will be internet based operating system meaning that buying CD's based software could end. Heck we are already seeing it in which yo ucan download full license software without hte use of a CD (legally). Right now Microsoft is in the talking phase of this project however, with Bill Gates leaving Microsoft in June, his legacy Windows, will go with him as the 21st century really kicks off with technology.
SOURCES
http://blogs.pcworld.com/tipsandtweaks/archives/007383.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing |
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miladinoski
Aug 6 2008, 09:04 AM
Nope, I don't believe that will happen in the nearest future. First of all - Internet access isn't spread worldwide (atleast not now) - so that means if I want to use my computer at a place without internet access I couldn't access my OS, and what good is an OS if I can't access the data. Second of all - doesn't an "internet OS" require a browser? And doesn't a browser require a platform?On what platform would that browser stand? And finally third of all - do you think Microsoft will abandon something that is successfull for 23 years? (from 1985 or so). Do you think that it will abandon a product that is used in 90% of all the computers in the world and make them switch to their brand new platform?Those are the 3 things that make me not believe that "Midori" will happen. (BTW, "Midori" means "grean" on Japanese  )
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saitunes
Aug 6 2008, 01:07 PM
I dont know about that. microsoft leaving windows. I dont really know. I could believe leaving vista... hehe... I honestly don't understand why they would abandon windows. unless they were starting from the ground up, redesigning the operating from dos to GUI. And as for Midori the web based operating system that's meant to be its replacement, I really don't know. I know that in Australia you wouldn't be able to get affordable web access that would enable you to be running a web based operating system. I mean for $60 a month I get unlimited usage... just after the first 12gb your speed is capped to like 56k... I think its Ironic, I made a post yesterday or the day before about ajaxwindows.com, a web based desktop (simmilar to what I would expect midori might be) I think there's probably a misunderstanding somewhere as to what midori will be. Still it will be interesting to see.
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anwiii
Aug 6 2008, 03:43 PM
wow is right! anything to incorporate a bigger internet presense. technology like this is going to open up the competition. does anyone else smell laysuits up the ying yang? microsoft will definately start buying up the competition soon and try to stop dell and the other bigger companies from getting a head start i wonder as well what sort of doors are going to open up for the little guy and what sort of money can be made by it on the net from marketers since it does have the potential of creating new business on the web. now if applications and operating systems are going to be hosted on the internet, then does that mean you will have to have a continuous access on the net with a high speed line? is this going to change how computers are going to be built in the future? does this mean that these computer companies will take responsibility to proiding high speed access to enable users to use this technology? if so, how? i don't personally see a use for this technology unless people have at least a t1 connection or faster to access data. also, will this new technology mean a new type of identity on the internet that will always be tracked and recorded? and when a user enters their part of the internet, they will know everything about you including your blood type?  i mean, if you want to access the well needed data, they are going to have to know who you are before they allow you to access it right unless the data is unconditionally shared by everyone because it's free. so will we not be able to hide our own identities anymore? that will be a shame and will leave us vulnerable. if this is the case, this is what the government was waiting for. hey, maybe we will all have to apply for an internet license through the state soon just like we have to have a license to drive. except now, licenses are being used as a form of federal identification more and more instead of the original idea of just having one to drive will the computers of the future be free just as an incentive to access the data on the internet that you have to pay for each use or have a yearly membership. how will this affect teenagers and kids who don't have the means to pay for anything online? i'm curious what areas of influence and impact this will have on others and how this will affect how we see the internet and computers right now compared to what is to become in 2 years. good catch s.m.- i never heard of this technology before. it would be nice to see if ibm can become a front runner to this new vision and tehnology. as far as dell goes and trying to get a copyright for the name "cloud computing", that doesn't mean didly. every company will probably have their own name to describe this new technology and vision for the future. now what about apple? how is this going to affect them? will it? man, i have a lot of questions. anyone have opinions? 
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Saint_Michael
Aug 6 2008, 04:20 PM
QUOTE(miladinoski @ Aug 6 2008, 05:04 AM)  Nope, I don't believe that will happen in the nearest future. First of all - Internet access isn't spread worldwide (atleast not now) - so that means if I want to use my computer at a place without internet access I couldn't access my OS, and what good is an OS if I can't access the data. Second of all - doesn't an "internet OS" require a browser? And doesn't a browser require a platform?On what platform would that browser stand? And finally third of all - do you think Microsoft will abandon something that is successfull for 23 years? (from 1985 or so). Do you think that it will abandon a product that is used in 90% of all the computers in the world and make them switch to their brand new platform?Those are the 3 things that make me not believe that "Midori" will happen. (BTW, "Midori" means "grean" on Japanese  ) I am not saying that this will happen in two years, but I would say in maybe 5 years you will be hearing a lot more about this as to how this cloud computing is even done. Remember I am speculating on what or how this non windows operating system works, for all I know it would need a very basic installation disk just to connect you to the internet and stuff like that. Besides the hardware alone is going to take a few years to design because it would seem that hard drives would become obsolete or they would become online RAM or something like that. I think Vista alone and what I just said about the hard drives being obsolete would make it possible. Of course look at all the thinner laptops that are coming out, CD-ROMS are about to become obsolete in a few years now. Just have to wait and see what cloud computing is all about. If you look at the wikipedia article most of the technology is set up it is a matter of consolidating it into separate programs through an operating system or use those concepts and build them to be incorporated into that OS. QUOTE(saitunes @ Aug 6 2008, 09:07 AM)  I dont know about that. microsoft leaving windows. I dont really know. I could believe leaving vista... hehe... I honestly don't understand why they would abandon windows. unless they were starting from the ground up, redesigning the operating from dos to GUI.
And as for Midori the web based operating system that's meant to be its replacement, I really don't know. I know that in Australia you wouldn't be able to get affordable web access that would enable you to be running a web based operating system. I mean for $60 a month I get unlimited usage... just after the first 12gb your speed is capped to like 56k...
I think its Ironic, I made a post yesterday or the day before about ajaxwindows.com, a web based desktop (simmilar to what I would expect midori might be)
I think there's probably a misunderstanding somewhere as to what midori will be. Still it will be interesting to see. Well we know they are supporting XP til 2014 and Vista and Windows 7 past that so maybe when XP is gone they will be pushing for this cloud computer's at that time. You do however, bring up a interesting question and that would be price, would it be a subscription based fee or can you just buy it and that be? Who knows, because of how unknown cloud computer technology is and how vague the term is as well. QUOTE(anwiii @ Aug 6 2008, 11:43 AM)  wow is right! anything to incorporate a bigger internet presense. technology like this is going to open up the competition. does anyone else smell laysuits up the ying yang? microsoft will definately start buying up the competition soon and try to stop dell and the other bigger companies from getting a head start i wonder as well what sort of doors are going to open up for the little guy and what sort of money can be made by it on the net from marketers since it does have the potential of creating new business on the web. now if everything is going to be hosted on the internet, then does that mean you will have to have a continuous access on the net with a high speed line? is this going to change how computers are going to be built in the future? i'm curious what areas of influence and impact this will have on others and how this will affect how we see the internet and computers right now compared to what is to become in 2 years. good catch s.m.- i never heard of this technology before. it would be nice to see if ibm can become a front runner to this new vision and tehnology. as far as dell goes and trying to get a copyright for the name "cloud computing", that doesn't mean didly. every company will probably have their own name to describe this new technology and vision for the future. now what about apple? how is this going to affect them? will it? man, i have a lot of questions. anyone have opinions?  Well, we know Dell and Microsoft knows something or they wouldn't be putting their foot out like that, but as for lawsuits, I doubt it. As Dell would be designing the hardware for this technology and Microsoft designing the software for it as well. Of course, the race will be on for people to start buying the small companies who will be dealing with this. The problem is money and only the big names in the computer industry will be risking it and you bring out the next big question and that is security. I only can imagine the layers of security that will have to go into something like this and I have feeling the security suites will be done by scratch just to be able to work with those different layers.
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Echo_of_thunder
Aug 6 2008, 09:19 PM
Well Saint_Michael, I have to tell ya. Yes Say bye bye to windows. "in a way" Vista will be the last of the widows, then will come Longhorn. The next geration of widowns operating systems. Vista, was to be Longhorn at 1st but Microsoft decided to test it and to workout some of there Famous bugs 1st. They didnt relese it as a "bata" but are using it as such, if that makes any since. From what I have heard and understand, Longhorn was to be a windows Server program but they kept working on it, and the higher ups in microsoft felt that it was time to do better.
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dimumurray
Aug 7 2008, 09:54 PM
Whoa...This is all new to me...I must have been under a rock somewhere...The implications alone of this technology are staggering. It is clear that Microsoft has no intention of getting caught with its pants down, so they are laying the foundation for the next generation of software. This is all heady stuff though, software offered strictly as a web service -- all of it--, that's a lot to wrap my head around. This is going to be a major paradigm shift in how we use computers. Security issues abound, the idea that all my data and apps will all be sitting in one place (the 'all your eggs in one basket scenario') doesn't exactly sit well with me, though I can see the benefits of not having to worry about installations and upgrading software. But if all our applications become services offered strictly through the web, instead of a one-time purchase, will we in future have to pay-per-use? The cost might be minimized to a very small premium but having to constantly pay everytime...no wonder Microsoft is making plans for the shift, they'll be making money like never before--if they can get to market first. But there seems to be many other players already in the game and making strides to boot. Come to think of it there seems to be a number of trends in technology these days that may well facilitate this shift sooner rather than later. I read an article some time ago where a group was lobbying for legistlature that would allow for free wireless universal access to the internet throughout the US. It's almost like pieces in a puzzle falling into place. All these technologies converging, it is almost errie in a way. Makes you wonder what kind of society we'll end up with in the next twenty to forty years. I wager even tech enthusiasts like ourselves won't even recognize it, but then I am sure we'll welcome it anyway...on with the new.
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Accure
Aug 8 2008, 01:49 PM
Ive heard about windows 7, and im not really impressed.. the only this windows tries is to get as many people buying their new OS each time they release one.. they aren't actually improving anymore since XP, they're just taking it in a new style, and then sell for double price... Me, I'm staying with XP Prof... Im not upgrading unless i have to.. Microsoft should just stop producing and let Apple & Ubuntu take the lead.
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Saint_Michael
Aug 8 2008, 08:03 PM
Cloud Computing: Is Midori Sour or Sweet?Well I thought I post a counter argument on this cloud computing. It is obvious the major concerns are security, downtime's, privacy and other stuff. Of course, this concept is so very early in terms of setting up the building blocks and getting it all organize to get everyone to go along with this concept. So it should be interesting what happens in the next 5 years on how this will take, especially the security and how the infrastructure of the internet will be able to handle this kind of load.
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Dooga
Aug 9 2008, 06:09 PM
Has Microsoft ever ditched its 20 year old backwards compatibility? No. I don't see Microsoft ever cutting off anything in the future...
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adriantc
Oct 22 2008, 06:07 AM
I think Microsoft is going to adapt sooner or later to this new concept in operating systems. And it's only a normal move since more and more people have at least 2 computers. I for one I am struggling with the fact that I always have to keep both of them synchronized. There are programs or plugins that can help, but if a operating system would be designed to be synchronized it would really help me and a lot of people in my situation. I'll take an example .... something that happens to all. You bookmark a website on one computer - what do you do if you need that bookmark on your other computer? There's nothing much you can do on Internet Explorer; on Mozilla Firefox there is a plugin that does just that and recently even more. Just the same with the files from one computer to the other. Fortunately there are specialized software to do that. Mozilla is introducing their cloud concept but it's still in beta - it should give users the ability to synchronize their browser over multiple computers... that is settings, bookmarks, passwords, everything! Another thing that I think is pretty common is the fact that people don't like to have different desktops on different computers. It's something psychological of course... It would be far better if one could synchronize all options from one operating system to another. Same debate with software. Update on one computer and then just synchronize the changes done. Microsoft will be eventually forced to harness the incredible power of the Internet. As a side note - I don't think they will ever give up the "Windows" trademark. Microsoft and Windows are like synonyms so a name change would do a lot of harm!
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scout
Oct 22 2008, 04:38 AM
QUOTE(Accure @ Aug 8 2008, 06:49 AM)  Ive heard about windows 7, and im not really impressed.. the only this windows tries is to get as many people buying their new OS each time they release one.. they aren't actually improving anymore since XP, they're just taking it in a new style, and then sell for double price... Me, I'm staying with XP Prof... Im not upgrading unless i have to.. Microsoft should just stop producing and let Apple & Ubuntu take the lead. But what will you do when they pull support for XP Prof? I know it won't be until 2014 or whatever but it's good to start thinking. QUOTE(LooneyMapleStory @ Aug 11 2008, 06:25 AM)  Hmm If Microsoft plans on "giving" up, what'll happen to the "Coffe Table" PC They were comming up with? I was really looking forward to having one... Microsoft isn't giving up, they are just dropping an outdated product name. In my oppinion, they shouldn't have branded Vista with the Windows name, it's a new, redesigned OS (sorta...). QUOTE(miladinoski @ Aug 6 2008, 02:04 AM)  Nope, I don't believe that will happen in the nearest future. First of all - Internet access isn't spread worldwide (atleast not now) - so that means if I want to use my computer at a place without internet access I couldn't access my OS, and what good is an OS if I can't access the data. Second of all - doesn't an "internet OS" require a browser? And doesn't a browser require a platform?On what platform would that browser stand? And finally third of all - do you think Microsoft will abandon something that is successfull for 23 years? (from 1985 or so). Do you think that it will abandon a product that is used in 90% of all the computers in the world and make them switch to their brand new platform?Those are the 3 things that make me not believe that "Midori" will happen. (BTW, "Midori" means "grean" on Japanese  ) They have taken the internet access issue into consideration. In fact, all the major players in the computing world have been talking about this concept for a while now. The projections say that in less than 10 years, a majority of the world will have access to high speed internet. That's kindof exciting don't you think? Not even a majority of the world operates a computer yet at this stage. This change is going to be dramatic as well. Almost the entire concept of computing will eventually change with the visions that some have shared with me. Don't get me wrong, this won't happen for a few years. The cloud computing theory will only work if it does change. Imagine you have this built in protocol ( NetBios) that allows you to boot from a remote machine/server? Great, you tell me OS is too big even for dsl... Well then, lets get rid of OS. Let's just load things as we need them. So what do we need; machine language interpreter, drivers, etc etc... Ok, I feel I'm losing everyone, at least I bore myself. I think you get the idea though. It is extra bandwidth, but I'd expect that most people use far less of their current OS than they suspect. It will be an end to the 'windows' framework I hope. I'm sure that once it happens, there will be interfaces for it that resemble Windows for a time, but I hope they can break out of this conceptual madness that we are in. Windows was a great step up from DOS, but I think alot of us have been waiting and wondering when the next step will be taken. The major companies have finally heard our cries and complaints about debilitating, feature rich software and are moving us in the direction we wanted; to allow us to choose what we want to use (or clog) our systems with. Don't be fooled that Mac and Linux won't jump on this concept in one way or another. In fact, I would say that Linux is ahead of the curve so far. In Linux, if you want a new piece of software, all we have to do is type in one line of command, or some of us get a nice GUI to scroll through. It wouldn't be a stretch of the imagination to allow the same priveledge for d/loading and installing the actual OS. Another thing to keep in mind is people haven't started to say we don't need a hard drive yet, which makes me think that we might only download it every once in a while, at least in the begining. The pricing and so forth of course I'm dreading with everyone else. I use a free OS but that doesn't mean I don't use commercial software (at least so far). In one discussion I had with some Web2.0 guys, they pointed out that, if I was charged based on what I used, instead of a flat fee that included everything, it should make my next operating system purchase cheaper... I suppose this would be true if the companies broke their price down based on what they currently charge. As for security, I don't think I'll trust Microsoft for a long time, but mabye with better management, they can pick up thier game.
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Saint_Michael
Oct 22 2008, 03:23 AM
Well its not a hoax since pcworld is well established computer magazine, I would think it more like juicy gossip with a side of rumor. Since I mentioned in several posts that cloud computing is still a new concept and I would say they are abandoning making operating systems, but shelving the source code that runs all the various window operating systems. So if they were to make a new operating the source code will be done by scratch and mentioned early have hints of windows in it, but it won't be a windows operating system.
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innosia
Oct 21 2008, 12:38 PM
Haha, this news must be a hoax or written by some not very computer literated company. Is this possible that Microsoft will actually abandon their product? And is it possible to move a windows OS to a web OS? That is a crazy idea, so where will those gamers, those no internet users, might go? What OS should they use? If Microsoft really done that, then microsoft is much like crazy. I think if windows is much own by Bill gate then bill gate is leaving microsoft, then I might think that this microsoft will do something about bill gate.
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iXeta
Oct 20 2008, 03:27 PM
QUOTE(Saint_Michael @ Oct 20 2008, 03:50 AM)  Well I highly doubt it is possible to run an Operating on a sever and design a computer that connects to that server without software that doesn't use an operating system to make that connection. Besides of the extreme difficulty of pulling something that off, I still believe that the operating system will still be installed the old fashion way, with restore CD's just in case you have to reinstall it or a unique back up system that is store either locally or on a server and a person could roll back on. Of course, that is just some crazy idea's that just came to mind and I would say once the Cloud computing starts to age and everyone starts getting involved with setting up these next generation operating systems, then everyone will get a better idea what will be happening. Nah, Microsoft is book to at least 2010-2012 on producing windows operating systems, but I think once windows 7 is out or stable enough, only then will Microsoft will spend the hundreds of millions to start a new operating from scratch again. I totally agree with you that I wouldn't be surprise if they slip in windows aspects into this new operating system, hopefully one of them isn't a registry, the winsxs file system and RAM hogging. Well it is not fake, still in rumorville and people talking and to answer your question about why Microsoft needs to give up windows, I think the phrase "Most hacked operating system in the computer industry" comes to mind. It isn't a matter of switching to another operating system, but I wouldn't be surprise if Apple is already thinking of a framework to get a cloud computing operating system going and as for linux, I won't be surprise if a lot of free linux versions go to commercial paid versions in order to cover costs, training people and constantly updating cloud computer operating systems 24/7. Well yeah, its impossible to use cloud computing without having a base system. A network card doesn't know how to operate on its own ;D But potentially a cloud system would mean a 2MB file on a disc could remotely download the rest of the operating system (effectively minimizing installation time to your connection speed), and then have the rest of your data stored on a huge raid system for free (gotta put that $600 bucks for something right?). But I highly doubt storing data would be online seeing the new Solid-State Drives that are coming out, because they are nearly instant drives, and people will still feel secure by having their data on their own machine. But as for Windows 7, I think their bringing it out too fast, people are getting confused with the sudden rush of Operating Systems being released. Programmers are making a lot of money selling programs in all kinds of different languages that support these new OS's, so as one I guess I should be happy. But before Microsoft released a new OS on an average of 7 years, that gave time for the pollsters to gather data on what they need in new versions, and gave people time to upgrade (vista had time, but people felt rushed). As for linux, I believe it will still remain a geek only OS, so I don't think it will grow. Because Windows and Mac dominate the market and their *ALMOST* idiot-proof OS's, I don't think the general public will ever start to learn how the Operating System REALLY works.
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Oh Microsoft, how silly... (23) Source Microsoft claims that Linux, the free operating system, is violating over 200 of their
patents. This is the silliest thing. If Microsoft wins, Linux may no longer exist. Open-source
software as we know it will no longer exist. This is the silliest thing i have ever seen Microsoft
try to do—i can't stress this enough. I believe in open-source. Some people, even though
there may be an open-source alternative, will still choose to buy commercial software, so there
shouldn't be a problem. As far as i'm concerned, Microsoft is just money hungry. I,....
The Biggest Merger Of All Time Could Happen Between Microsoft And Yahoo
(7) Since yesterday one of the biggest stories to hit the tech world since the discovery of the
microchip has been floating around since the first two reports about it have been made public.
Those reports well simple rumors are spreading that Microsoft and Yahoo could merge and create one
of the biggest mergers of all time and actually threaten google dominance in the tech world. when
the markets closed yesterday yahoo was worth about 48 billion and Microsoft a whopping $300 billion
and so the rumor price would be that Microsoft would drop $50 billion on this little deal. ....
A Breakthrough For Open-source
Indian schools opt for Linux over windows (6) Schools in Kerala, India are adopting Linux for teaching computers instead of windows. This could be
a great step forward for the open source community. If people grow up using linux who would want to
buy windows? India is shaping up to be a key battleground in the global assault of Linux: QUOTE
Two years ago, New Delhi said the best way to improve computer literacy in India was to adopt
open source software in schools. Although Kerala is the first to introduce such a program statewide,
18 of India's 28 states either are using Linux or have pilot projects for....
Microsoft To Open A Brand New Data Center
(3) Well now this should be a interesting tidbit from everyone across the world, its seems microsoft
will be launching a new data centers the size of seven soccer fields worth of servers whichthe
article says is about in the "tens of thousands" region. The reason to be able compete with google
and yahoo, but what is interesting is the costs which is low especially since you running that many
servers at the same time and they mention that the whole build will go through 48 megawatts of
electricity. Of course they don't mention a day a week or a month, but I do believe i....
Windows Live Mail Lite - 2 Gb
hotmail's new face (9) Microsoft has launched the new layout for its Mail service. The Windows Live Mail Lite is the lite
version, no AJAX of the Windows Mail. This is helpful for the users with low connection speeds. The
greatest news is that it offers 2GB of space for the mails. Now you can search your mails just as
GMail offers. They've also introduced color codes for the Mails that you receive, Red - for
mails that are found to be dangerous or harmful Yellow - for suspcious mails White - for clean mails
You can also customise the mail interface, which gmail dosent offers. At the ....
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