I am personally not a fan, of the netspeak, however to blame the internet for students declining ability to use proper english is non-sensical at best. It could be said that since this is what they spend most of thier time on a computer doing naturally it would become second nature to them, but then I ask why is it chatting that they are spending most of thier time doing? Why not homework? I believe the reason students are becoming steadily worse at grammer and spelling is because the quality of instruction they recieve (both at home and at school) has declined. I know my spelling and grammer leaves much to be desired, however I work at improving it as often as I can, and I spend alot of time writing, for pleasure and for work, so I think I have perhaps improved since school.

Now don't get me wrong I am not blaming the teachers, or placing the entire blame on the education system, but rather portion of the blame goes to the parents, and a portion goes to the education system, and perhaps a very tiny portion goes to those one or two teachers that really don't give a damn any more. Teachers get paid so little when you consider what we have placed them in charge of, and parents these days have pretty much absolved themselves of any responsibility in instructing thier children how to read and write. The education of our children should not be left to the teachers alone, we are just as responsible for it as they are.

To place the blame on internet chatting is pointless, it is rather like blaming the sinking of the titantic on the ocean instead of on the crew and the iceberg. Using a made up shorthand is natural for people chatting online, it is human nature to find the quickest means of getting a job done, and while communicating in Realtime the faster you can get on with the conversation. The rest is just plain fun. Made up shorthand like h8 I don't mind, and actually like to use once and a while, I personally can't stand stuff like m34n, because it actually takes me longer to type it, but it does kind of make you feel like you are using a kind of code, so naturally it would appeal to youth who have always tried to find ways to make it difficult for thier parents to understand what they are saying.

 

 

 

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Indeed. I am totally with you on that one. I cannot stand either shortenings (u, ppl, kno), mispellings (teh winenrs wil recieve 5 pionts!) or "aZn" (Yo I'm sO KrZy N StUfF!).

It irritates me to no end. I mean, you don't speak, or write like that, do you? What makes it so hard to do the same on the computer? Is it just because you're lazy?

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That's true Johnny I do it all the time but ya I hate it too most of times I cant understand anyting at all that they are saying. I once took an hour trying to read an email that was all shortend out and it was a pain in the butt.

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I'd have to say throwing around the terms "gay" and "retarded" for anything you don't like is more annoying and overused on the internet than crazy capitalization and mispeLlinG to be KewL.

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I agree. It's one of the most annoying things every thought of. I hate it. There are words and they are spelt right for a reason. Lazy people.

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Haha, the "internet talk" that you're referring to is called 1337. Hackers and people who want to avoid proxies use it. It generally works extremely well if you want people to NOT know what you're talking about...like right now. Other than that, I completely agree with you. Phrases like "lol" or "omg" is totally ruining the minds of young minds because it does not make them think before typing, instead, it just makes them dull and boring because the phrases are so generic. On the other hand, people who pretends to be cool by typing "liek omg111!!1one" is also very annoying. i don't know, that's just what i think

In case you're wondering, I did not type all that up by hand - I used my text-to-1337 program.


I was going to point this out, but you beat me to it When one use those words (I did at some point), other people generally look down on that person as someone with a very low vocabulary (no offense), and it gives off a very bad impression as no one here knows who you really are.

Edit: Added the brandice quote.

 

 

 

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You know minds. They have minds of their own!

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First off snlildude that language you are using is troubling, but I understood the smiley's .

Secondly, to comment in response to wylit's commentary, I disagree that the education students are receiving is sub-par and should be improved. At least in Pennsylvania, becoming a teacher has a ridiculous amount of requirements. I am an education major so I know the whole deal. I do believe, in my view, that the parents of children should receive the blame for the students' success/failure.

Parents these days tend to let their children wander off into life freely without much guidance or responsibility. From this, children would put off school work and concentrate on other things - sports, tv, internet, even making websites. I am kinda shocked that there are many young kids in this forum. Although I have nothing against it, kids should concentrate heavily on their school work and leave stuff like this and other leisure activities for weekends. Trap17 forum requirements are kinda tough for some people posting wise, you must post on a daily basis to maintain your website. I'm sure alot of the younger folks put in a lot of time with their websites and staying involved in the forums, and I'm convinced that that could have a negative impact on not only their grades, but their social life as well. When kids have free time, they should be with friends, not stuck on a computer all day long. With that said, I also blame technology. Computers offer so much to do, and it become an addiction to some, and although the internet can offer a wealth of information for students, rarely is that information searched.

To summarize, kids these days are not getting the parental guidance needed to become disciplined in their school work and thus they are directed elsewhere (computers and internet) during times they should concentrate on school, and when they don't need to focus on school, technology becomes the alternative for many instead of being active with friends in the great outdoors.

As for the online glitter talk, I could care less about it. As long as I can understand what is being said I don't care how the message is relayed. Sure I've received messages that I couldn't quite understand, but thats no biggy - its the beauty of an online conversation, and it's not going to change. If you don't like the internet chat language, then don't chat, otherwise, adjust.



As for the topic starter -

Retarded - a person with a mental disability that permanently affects the individual, properly used as Mentally Retarded.

Gay - Used to mean happy, I'd be full of nonesense to define gay as that, but obviously it's an male or female in a relationship with the same sex.

I don't feel internet chat can be described in relationship to these two words. You talk about proper grammer - you should be ashamed of yourself. I am very familiar in dealing with Mentally Retarded individuals, and your comment insulted me. No need for you to improperly use the term. You initial post presented a viewpoint in which you yourself violated...think about what you type before you type it.

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Well I think perhaps you should re-read my post. I did NOT say the education that students recieve from TEACHERS is sub par, what I stated was most students recieve slim to no education in the home, and the education system both in Canada (where I am from) and the US have recieved so many cuts backs and stringent guidelines that teachers do not have sufficient materials to do the job to the best of thier abilities, and believe me I do believe highly in the training and the ablilities 99.9999% of the teachers who are in the job.

I have seen teachers become jaded after years of being looked down upon and jeered at, but generally they are so dedicated they ignore the treatment we have been giving them. For instance I work in a school board (not as a teacher, but as a computer tech) and that board has not had a contract with the elementary techers for three years, the teachers finally got fed up and started acting, there is a Work-to-rule campaign currently going on and alls I hear outside of the school walls is how those greedy teachers want more money. It is pure propeganda by the school board trustees, the teachers just want a fair contract, with a reasonable raise that at least matches the cost of living increases. I don't think they are being unreasonable in any way shape or form, but the media is reporting it as though the teachers are being stubborn and turning down every fair contract they have been offered, when in fact they have been offered 2 contracts, one was turned down because it did not give any allowance for cost of living increases, and the other was rejected by the government.

The governments of both Canada and the US claim education is on a high priority, but examine the budgets, education is WAY down on the list. These cut backs can be seen most clearly by walking into the library of any public school in either country, the books are outdated and falling apart, for the most part, apparently in the US they allow for corporate sponsorship which allows the school to make a deal to have advertising on the dust jackets to pay for newer books, and frankly I wish canada would do this.

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