sanjay0828
Nov 26 2007, 07:02 PM
How to increase traffic on one's site???? I have this site running Google Ads Ya... thought of making some quick bucks But sadly, there weren't much visitors to my site I asked my all-knowing-oracle-friend what was the solution? His answer was quite simple - search engines Was he kidding? I couldn't possibly compete against those monoliths having thousands of referring links At about that same time, I felt a light bulb starting to glow in my mind No... this has nothing to do with SEO's Those thing are for those technically-sound-people My solution was pretty simple (WORKED FOR ME) Why try to compete in areas where there is too much competition??? First, think of some area (read as keyword) which currently wouldn't have too much crowding, but quite possible in the future For e.g. movies that are not yet released Here is what I did I created a page offering download links for 'The Mist' (way before the movie was released) Anyone searching for the mist download would come across my site's listing on the first page of the results Yes.. there were people out there that actually searched for this I got a decent 800+ unique hits during the fortnight before the movie's release After the movie's release, I cudn't find my site listed even in the top 100!!! BTW, the links weren't dead.. it pointed to the movie trailer 
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jlhaslip
Nov 26 2007, 07:21 PM
Biggest problem I see with your method is the Visitors were interested in the Movie, but what connection exists between the Movie and your site content? Do they return to your site for the actual content? or do you simply intend for this to bump your numbers? Is Unique Visitors a valid count for the worth and placement of your site?
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sanjay0828
Nov 26 2007, 08:03 PM
QUOTE(jlhaslip @ Nov 27 2007, 12:51 AM)  Biggest problem I see with your method is the Visitors were interested in the Movie, but what connection exists between the Movie and your site content? I dont want to create content which no one wants to read I am not focussing on returning visitors here My aim here is to make some quick bucks It is not exactly ethical, but it is legal
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Liam_CF
Nov 26 2007, 08:12 PM
Yes, your page will get a lot of hits because of this, but the people will not read your content. They will just skim it and move on, realizing the site is bogus. They would not click any adverts that you have on your pages. This is pointless.
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sanjay0828
Nov 26 2007, 08:29 PM
QUOTE(Liam_CF @ Nov 27 2007, 01:42 AM)  Yes, your page will get a lot of hits because of this, but the people will not read your content. They will just skim it and move on, realizing the site is bogus. They would not click any adverts that you have on your pages. You have got me wrong again I write the content based on the keywords I have chosen In my case, the page will be centered around 'The Mist'. As I posted before, The content is not my focus. The keywords are. I change the content based on the keywords.
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KansukeKojima
Nov 26 2007, 11:38 PM
QUOTE(Liam_CF @ Nov 26 2007, 01:12 PM)  Yes, your page will get a lot of hits because of this, but the people will not read your content. They will just skim it and move on, realizing the site is bogus. They would not click any adverts that you have on your pages.
This is pointless. Completely agreed... QUOTE You have got me wrong again
I write the content based on the keywords I have chosen In my case, the page will be centered around 'The Mist'.
As I posted before, The content is not my focus. The keywords are. I change the content based on the keywords. Ok so bassically, the only reason you have a website is that so you can get hits??? Your not giving anybody anything except a movie trailor they've already seen, and you would have nothing of any value on your website... the longest visitor to your website probably stayed about hmmm.... a minute at the most... You lie to people to get hits, all your links are dead... what the hell... that is so pointless.... you'll have about two returning visitors... that is the most useless and pointless idea ever....
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anwiii
Nov 27 2007, 11:26 AM
i think you all are missing his point. he optimizes it for a rare keyword and continuously optimizes it when talk of a new movie is coming out to catch that rare keyword. it's actually quite genious. it my not have a lot of relevant content, but if it makes money with adsense, then so what because that was his purpose to begin with now there is a unwritten moral code that is in question, but i don't think anything is being broken and nobody is getting hurt and if there is a trailer to watch, then that's even better  thanks for the post bud, others don't get it, i do
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Galahad
Nov 27 2007, 12:53 PM
We get it, we get it... He's trying to make quick buck out of luring people on his page, that has absolutely nothing to do with what they searched... That's very bad practice... I get it he doesn't care about the content, he cares about making keywords that will list his site in the top searches... May work for a while... But Google didn't make this much money, by being stupid... They'll see through this little scheme, and will block your AdSense account, probablt black-list your site... And what did you accomplish? Nothing... I personaly hate when I stumble upon such site, that fakes the content I'm searching for... it really pisses me off... Hopefully that StupidFilter those guys are making, will become functional soon, and will include a filter for such sites...
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serverph
Nov 27 2007, 05:27 PM
i gotta agree this method will spike up the number of hits to a website (but still dependent on closely chosen keywords), but i would disagree that it will necessarily translate into an increase in adsense revenue. revenue will still depend on the CTR (click-through rate) and the advertiser rate on their ads. this could possibly translate into income when an advertiser (via adsense) decides to run a campaign on the website with the keywords used, and in this case -- even with a low CTR -- a website can still earn more from adsense since CPM (cost per thousand impressions) is observed. but it is still a bad habit for a webmaster to "trick" visitors via this technique, as others have already pointed out above. for the most part, it's effects are temporary, like a sputter (short and brief). repeat visitors and relevant content is much more important to really make adsense work. the REAL secret on adsense success we often read is the multiple websites with a particular niche and particular brand that webmasters develop.  it's a tall order to develop a niche and a brand, with a high degree of relevant content AND a high level of repeat visitors, but that is what we should aspire for. start slow, and grow steadily -- and not grow fast, and steadily degenerate downhill.
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anwiii
Nov 27 2007, 11:17 PM
QUOTE(serverph @ Nov 27 2007, 11:27 AM)  but it is still a bad habit for a webmaster to "trick" visitors via this technique, as others have already pointed out above. for the most part, it's effects are temporary, like a sputter (short and brief). repeat visitors and relevant content is much more important to really make adsense work. yea, but business is business. i've always believed in the concept that if it works, don't change it. seems to be working for him. he wouldn't have posted it if it didn't. so if it makes him some bucks, great. the last poster who gets sick of websites with no content has a right to his opinion. but my opinion is, it's HIS WEBSITE! it's not anyone elses so who the heck cares how he feels about someone elses website if it is working for him and he is happy with it he also mentioned he changes keywords. but obviously there is SOME relevant content since google goes by content and outside links. there is no google bombing invloved so obviously there is relevant content and idn't i hear he has a link pointing to a trailer? how relevant do you want?!?!?
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bishoujo
Nov 29 2007, 05:34 AM
QUOTE(anwiii @ Nov 28 2007, 04:19 AM)  still missing the point. he doesn't care about repeat visitors. all he cares about is the postenial first time fisitors that will probably never return. now when he bragged about 600 visitors a day, if that is true, then in my opinion, is is doing something right. maybe not perfect, and yes, if it were me, i would do things a little different, but it's his site. he doesn't need repeat visitors he said, he doesn't care about the content, and he only cares about the clicks on the ads
now again, if people are clicking(i don't know why he would go to all the trouble of constanly changing his site if they weren't) then he is doing something RIGHT not WRONG despite other peoples opinon on how he should design his own personal website. I did not miss the point. I was merely giving my suggestions. He started a discussion about sending visitors to his websites. I'm merely saying what I felt would be a better way. Personally, if I was misled into entering a website and not finding what I expect to see, I'd just leave without bothering about other content or ads. And I'd tell my friends not to visit his website too, because I really hate bogus websites. As Galahad aptly pointed out, the quality of the internet is degrading, thanks to all these bogus websites. There are just too many of this crap around. Believe me, if you want to earn money with ads, you'd do better to have a unique site, rather than a copycat site, and a poor-quality one too. Using the Mist example, I guess it's all right if you use Mist as a search term and put the trailer there, but if you put something like Mist full download, Mist rip or something, then that's a blatant lie and you really will offend a lot of visitors. Anwiii, why do you keep saying other people are missing his point, just because we don't agree with his method? You yourself said he is free to choose whatever method he likes to get hits as long as they work. So we are are free to have our own methods and talk about them too. I believe you yourself are missing our point. Let me explain to you. Many of us don't agree with his method because we don't like being cheated. As dre says, his website's credibility will be ruined. Imagine for example, someone blogs about his website, or writes about it in a forum, complaining how bogus it is. Nobody's going to bother entering it even if his website/domain shows up on their search engine. Sooner or later, his method will cease to work and he'll have to make another website and start all over again. Let me reiterate, we DO get his point, so kindly stop insulting our intelligence. We know that what he wants to do is attract first-time visitors to his website using search terms. When they come, he is hoping they will click his ads on the website since they are probably going to be relevant to what they are looking for, and he'll earn money from there. We aren't trying to teach him how to get visitors to come back. We are just discussing what we think about his method, as that's obviously one of the main purposes of a discussion forum.
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dre
Nov 29 2007, 12:38 AM
If people are going to your site by the hundreds, it better be about Mist or else they'll be hitting the back button in about half a second. I don't believe adding useless meta will help your site, it'll only ruin your credibility for wasting people's time.
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Galahad
Nov 28 2007, 11:54 PM
And for how long will he attract visitors? When people realise his site offers nothing but crap, when his site pops up in a search, they will not click on it again... And why on Earth would anyone click on an ad, on a page that offers no real content? I seriousely doubt he makes any real profit, I bet he's just a kid, who earns 5 to 10 dollars, and thinks it's a great practice... What he actualy does, is degrade the quality of the internet... Hopefully search engine robots will become much smarter in the near future, and that sites like the one this guy makes, will never be show in searches... And anwiii why are you so passionately defending him? Can't he speak for himself? Or are the two of you connected in some way?
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anwiii
Nov 28 2007, 09:04 PM
QUOTE(de4thpr00f @ Nov 28 2007, 01:09 PM)  Ok, you got the visitors, now what? You win visitors, not members, cause there's nothing related to the search they made... Right? Greetz ~ João Lopes did you read what he posted? he said once he gets the visitors there, they will click on his ads also, i have created several succesfull sites in the past. not one site was a members site. anyone could surf my sites and browse so having members doesn't disctate anything really...except to hide information from people who aren't members
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de4thpr00f
Nov 28 2007, 07:09 PM
Ok, you got the visitors, now what? You win visitors, not members, cause there's nothing related to the search they made... Right? Greetz ~ João Lopes
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