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My Idea For A Form Of Government - Eleutherionism

Above The Rest
I call it Eleutherionism, which is based off of the Ancient Greek word for freedom. It's fairly similar to socialism, but also vastly different. Here is the basic idea for it:

Eleutherionism is an interesting concept. It's based off of socialism, but it gives the citizen much more freedom.

In socialism, everyone is paid the same thing for working different jobs. I want to expand on that concept. Different jobs will have different wages, increasing based on popularity, difficulty, and talent required. In order to get a certain job, you must study (after you graduate high school) for as long as you want and then you will take an aptitude test (created by people who currently/previously worked the job you want to have). You will need to get a certain score on that test in order to successfully get the job. If you don't pass, you'll either have to study again and re-take the test (you can re-take the test for a single job five times per year) or study in a different field. The government will provide housing and food for all of it's citizens. You will use the money you have to buy clothing and non-essentials (video games, computers, etc.). This allows all citizens to live a well-to-do lifestyle and enjoy themselves.

The government will work using the checks & balances system. A congress of 500 elected officials (directly elected by the citizens, who must be 18 to vote) will share equal power with the elected Chancellor (I like that term best for leader biggrin.gif). They will share equal power in regards to military decisions, and any other government decisions.

Abortions are legal. Drugs are outlawed, and sea ports and borders are HEAVILY monitored. Smoking is illegal. Marijuana, however, is legal. Alcohol is legal to sell to to anybody over 18. You can drink it at age 16, however.

Driving under the influence causes license revocation for a year, and you are not allowed to be within ten miles of any establishment selling alcohol or Marijuana during that year.

This form of government allows for the government to ally itself with any other country. Congress and the chancellor will vote (the chancellor counts as ten votes) to decide if a country is able to be allied with.

The government will not intervene in the matters of other countries, and will not enforce it's will (unless it feels threatened and they hold a vote for it) upon other nations.

You can leave the country at any time, but you will be sent to prison if you violate your Visa in another country while still a citizen.

If you are in another country, you will obey the laws of that country, and not the Eleutherionist country you belong to.

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If you guys want me to elaborate on anything or explain other parts, feel free to ask.

 

 

 


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csp4.0
WHAT! WHAT!
Smoking is illegal yet marujiana is? WHAT!
and if you're caught drink-driving you cannot come within 10 miles of any alcohol store? WHAT! that doesn't make any sense.
I agree with you on the other laws however.
But what is your opinion on capital-punishment?
tax? etc etc...

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Above The Rest
QUOTE(csp4.0 @ Nov 11 2007, 07:03 AM) *
WHAT! WHAT!
Smoking is illegal yet marujiana is? WHAT!
and if you're caught drink-driving you cannot come within 10 miles of any alcohol store? WHAT! that doesn't make any sense.
I agree with you on the other laws however.
But what is your opinion on capital-punishment?
tax? etc etc...


Marijuana doesn't carry anywhere NEAR the amount of health risks that smoking does.

Marijuana has not been documented to cause any deaths directly (i.e. driving under the influence doesn't count).

If you're caught drunk driving you're not allowed to go within 10 miles of any alcohol store, what doesn't make sense about it?

If you drink and drive, I don't want you near alcohol.

Capital punishment will be used IF and ONLY IF a murder has been committed.

There will be an income tax (quite large, considering you only have to pay for your clothing).

No other taxes will be necessary.


 

 

 


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anwiii
QUOTE(Above The Rest @ Nov 10 2007, 11:39 PM) *
I call it Eleutherionism, which is based off of the Ancient Greek word for freedom. It's fairly similar to socialism, but also vastly different. Here is the basic idea for it:


is this made up by you or is it publically available? if publically available, point me to a website. i want to refrain from posting on this subject until i get more facts here....

if i was your age, i would be all for the drug and alcohol use. i'm not anymore and you and the others who think like you are the ones who drive my insurance premiums sky high.

do you know the statistics of teenagers and the laws they break while behind the wheel of a car? and you want to lower the drinking age to 16?

you're a pot smoker aren't you. its funny that i hear the same arguement from the same people. it's never their fault and they can never admit their own guilt. all they want to do is get high and float through life while killing their own brain cells. get back with me on this when you reach 19 and have the opportunity to take a college health course. as far as pot not the cause of any deaths, BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!! in fact, there are several documented facts that people have died just by inhaling ONCE and they found no other drugs in their system.i'll bet you 100 trap17 credits on that one and show you proof beyond doubt. also, you said cigarettes are a killer and should be outlawed? i don't know one instance where a a death was documents when someone died from inhaling the tobacco. yes, it's a long term killer. pot however is a long AND short term killer(short term killer in two ways). alcohol is the leading cause of illness and death. it is both a long term and a short term killer. it not only causes people to become depressed and kill themselves, it causes them to get behind a wheel and kill others. it also destroys vital organs and inoperable desieses not to mention continuously dehydrates you and causes your immune system to drop.

get a clue before you start promoting b.s.

now as far as the other things, yea, i want more information. some of it sounds interesting like job pay.

i never liked our wage system in the u.s. so that part interests me but i disagree with the suggestion. it should be based more on how much time it took to get qualified to do the job. not based on anything else and the government should set that standard. reason being, you get paid for the time you put in. obviously there are 24 hours in a day. if the average work day is 8 hours and everyone worked 8 hours for example, everyone is putting in the same amount of work time wise. wether you're a teacher or a bread maker pay should be the same based on time since everyone is working just as hard in the same amount of time. BUT if someone is required to put more time in to train before they get paid, they should be compensated for the with extra pay when they finally get out of school or training

this type of system would not only be fair to the lower class, it will create a competitive market for the same services and the people who succeed will be the ones doing it better. not the ones who don't do it better who are usually forced to increase their prices to make up for the loss of business. since the system i stated will cause a more competitive market, prices will drop and the value of the dollar will increase(in the long run)

there is a downside though. money will leave that countries marketplace. also, it will turn investors away and in the short run, a change of government so drastic could just cause the economy to collapse.....especialy when you have drunk and high 16 year old stock brokers trying to sell stock for a company that sells swamp land in florida because they thought it would be funny to do.

again, you are posting about a subject you know nothing about. i've been following you around tonight. i should know.


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dre
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Drugs are outlawed, and sea ports and borders are HEAVILY monitored. Smoking is illegal. Marijuana, however, is legal.
So what are you gonna do, chew on your pot leaves?
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Marijuana doesn't carry anywhere NEAR the amount of health risks that smoking does.

Yes it does, just take psychology in college. Causes more critical damage than smoking ever will, but hey, by that point, you couldn't care less.

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Marijuana has not been documented to cause any deaths directly (i.e. driving under the influence doesn't count).

That's a weak argument. Sort of like saying, "No, no, no, I didn't kill him directly your honor. The gun did it."


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Above The Rest
QUOTE(dre @ Nov 11 2007, 04:36 PM) *
So what are you gonna do, chew on your pot leaves?

Yes it does, just take psychology in college. Causes more critical damage than smoking ever will, but hey, by that point, you couldn't care less.
That's a weak argument. Sort of like saying, "No, no, no, I didn't kill him directly your honor. The gun did it."


No it's not a weak argument. If someone is dumb enough to drive after doing anything that may (or may not) impair their judgment, or operate heavy machinery, or wield a weapon, then I wouldn't blame that on the substance.

Furthermore, no I am not a pot smoker.

I've never smoked anything nor drunk any alcohol in my life. Characterizing me as such because of the opinions I hold is absurd.

It's an concept that I came up with the other day. Obviously it's got kinks and it's very rough around the edges, but give me a break, it's still a concept. It has major work to be done, and that'll be accomplished whenever I have time. I'd like to write up a paper on it at some point, but I'd definitely like all of your input to go into this concept. I'd like to know what you all think will work and what won't.

Furthermore, recent studies have shown that Marijuana doesn't carry anywhere near the negative effects that tobacco does. Obviously any sort of smoke will cause lung damage, but that is the users choice. Feel free to correct me (with proof of course) if I am incorrect in my statements.

I was actually thinking about outlawing alcohol, but I'm not sure how free a country would be if it were outlawed, and the maturity difference between 16-18 seems to be negligible in most of the people I've ever known.

And anwiii, I've been reading your posts as well, you seem to be the one talking about things you have no knowledge about.

Like I said, this is just a concept. I'd love for all of you to make changes and corrections and to post them in this thread. Personal attacks on my level of knowledge are useless and annoying. Instead of saying "Oh, you're dumb, you know nothing!" try saying "Recent studies have shown that marijuana usage can cause severe damage to the liver, etc." instead of insulting my intelligence. It's much easier to take you seriously when you back up your points, and you present them like a rational human being.

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teknoTom
You sound like a Marxist to me. Communism didn't work. Face it.

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Above The Rest
QUOTE(teknoTom @ Nov 11 2007, 06:31 PM) *
You sound like a Marxist to me. Communism didn't work. Face it.


Not a Marxist at all. You shouldn't assume that at all. I never once said it.

I agree, Communism didn't, doesn't, and can't work, this however, is only loosely based off of socialism.

I wouldn't put it into the fire just yet, wait until I get a more refined, smooth idea. In fact, bounce ideas off of me that you think would be good for this system. I'm completely open to new ideas, and I'd love to hear what you have to say.

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teknoTom
It is interesting, although the civil rights are a bit too inhibited for my liking.

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Above The Rest
What changes would you suggest? I understand there are many kinks. A lot of it needs to be switched around.

Keep in mind, I though this up in a very short period of time, for the specific reason of having others input very early on. smile.gif

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Mermaid711
QUOTE(Above The Rest @ Nov 11 2007, 04:57 PM) *
No it's not a weak argument. If someone is dumb enough to drive after doing anything that may (or may not) impair their judgment, or operate heavy machinery, or wield a weapon, then I wouldn't blame that on the substance.


Ummm sense makes none. Imparing someone's judgment would disable them to make smart decisions. Or, here, let me put that in terms you can understand. It makes them stupid and makes them make stupid choices.

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Furthermore, no I am not a pot smoker.
Suuuuuuuure you're not. . .

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I've never smoked anything nor drunk any alcohol in my life. Characterizing me as such because of the opinions I hold is absurd.


No, the views you have are absurd. It's kind of obvious when you say "Pot isn't bad but ole granny's tabbacy is!" that you smoke or have seriously considered it. . . but then again this is the internet so we don't really know. . .

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It's an concept that I came up with the other day. Obviously it's got kinks and it's very rough around the edges, but give me a break, it's still a concept. It has major work to be done, and that'll be accomplished whenever I have time. I'd like to write up a paper on it at some point, but I'd definitely like all of your input to go into this concept. I'd like to know what you all think will work and what won't.
It has kinks out the wazzoo. If it has major work to be done on it, then why put it for people to hand your *bottom* to you? Well, I think we all stressed to you the whole "what will work and what won't work" concept, but you're being stubourn after you said you will be open to our ideas.

And as for the whole "Pot has yet to be accounted for any deaths and Tabbaco is wayyyyyyyy worse thing": What in the hell are you smoking? I WANT SOME!

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Furthermore, recent studies have shown that Marijuana doesn't carry anywhere near the negative effects that tobacco does. Obviously any sort of smoke will cause lung damage, but that is the users choice. Feel free to correct me (with proof of course) if I am incorrect in my statements.


Tabacco is a long term killer, yes. But I know of people who have died within 15 minutes of smoking blunts. The fact of the matter is that this is an asinine concept to say pot isn't bad but tabacco is.

And for the whole it doesn't have anywhere near the bad effects of tabacco: you must smoke pot because that is infact, asinine. The fact of the matter is that this is a recent study by YOUNG scientists and the study has yet to be refined.

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I was actually thinking about outlawing alcohol, but I'm not sure how free a country would be if it were outlawed, and the maturity difference between 16-18 seems to be negligible in most of the people I've ever known.
Of the people you know, yes, but of the vast majority of people no. You don't know what you're talking about in the grand scheme of things.

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And anwiii, I've been reading your posts as well, you seem to be the one talking about things you have no knowledge about.


Oh yeah buddy. That's reeeaaaaal mature. You seem to be giving people a reason to say those things because YOU have NO IDEA what YOU are talking about.

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Like I said, this is just a concept. I'd love for all of you to make changes and corrections and to post them in this thread. Personal attacks on my level of knowledge are useless and annoying. Instead of saying "Oh, you're dumb, you know nothing!" try saying "Recent studies have shown that marijuana usage can cause severe damage to the liver, etc." instead of insulting my intelligence. It's much easier to take you seriously when you back up your points, and you present them like a rational human being.


Well, if you'd just stop giving us a reason to call you asinine or dumb, then wed, infact, stop calling you those things! Sheesh it's common sense!

And just for the record, after the pot thing, it's been really hard to take you seriously.

You reap what you sow.

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Above The Rest
QUOTE(8bit @ Nov 16 2007, 10:14 PM) *
Drugs are already illegal lol. Plus outlawing normal smoking would mean there would be a big black market.


Good luck importing or growing tobacco in a Eleutherion country....

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8bit
Drugs are already illegal lol. Plus outlawing normal smoking would mean there would be a big black market.

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Above The Rest
I'm not going to argue about irrelevant stuff. If you want to talk about my form of government idea (without insults, flaming, or unsourced statements told as fact) then I'd be glad to discuss it, but this has nothing to do with it.

Just for the record, I don't watch CNN, and you don't know anything about my knowledge of what's going on in Iraq. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about.

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Mermaid711
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You don't know anything about Marijuana, or else you wouldn't say that.
Uhhh, excuse me, but I am perfectly capable of know what marijuana does. Medicinal marijuana is complete bull crap and you know it. That stuff ruins your grey matter (and since you probably don't know what that means, it means your brain) so it is infact, bad. The benifits of it, and I will be the first to say that there are benefits, do not make up for what is lost, few things are as grand and irriplacable as a human mind.

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I agree, Hillary Clinton is terrible.


Yes, but you know what else? Hillary Clinton is handing Barack Obama's *bottom* to him. That guy wants to go and have tea with people who wish death upon us all. So why is a form of government from someone who wants to have Barack Obama as a president a good idea? Exactly. . .

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The middle east is a very vague term to use. There are plenty of perfectly fine middle eastern country (not necessarily American-ized, but fine in their own right)
I agree. We do have allies over there.

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Political affiliation doesn't have anything to do with having your head on straight.


No it doesn't, but people who DO have their head on straight are Republicans laugh.gif

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Don't call me boy, you little punk.
Do unto in all you do, as you'd do unto you. If you call me a little punk, I will have no respect for you. If you can behave like the adult you think you are, than I will be happy to respect you.

Also, calling me a little punk only furthers your immaturity and ignorance and therefore gives me another reason to call you boy laugh.gif

Do you need some Bengay for that pain?

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Yeah Saddam was bad in all, but the Iraqis certainly don't love America (don't care what your dad tells you).


The reason why that statement is so ignorant is because I have sources who have been there, done that, and they know more than you. Oh yeah, they also know more than you CNN does, seeing as how that channle is nothing but propaganda.

The Iraqis want us over there, and qquite frankly, if you don't know what you're talking about, just try not to say anything at all. Everyone here would appreciate it.

Oh, and one more thing. The Iraqis that you see on TV, on the internet, or in the newspaper/magazine are just the bad half, we're actually making AWSOME headway over there. For about every one to two guys of ours that we lose, they (the BAD Iraqis, not the good ones) actually lose anywhere between ten and twenty. The people at CNN or [enter your liberal *bottom* tv/radio station her] don't say anything about what is going good in Iraq for two reasons:

1.) They want to make the president look stupid

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2.) Bad news sells. I mean, would you be more likely to buy a newspaper that says "Town struck oil recently- economics look great!" or one that says "A bus full of children killed sunday on their way back from the zoo"? Unless you are a major in accounting and economics, you are either going to pick both up or going to pick up the one about the buss full of children.

BURN!

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