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Start getting some tutorials and following them and just have a look at the sites you like and take into account the certain aspects that you like about them, and then think to yourself why it is good and why it is better than what you have, and work on making yours better. Design can be difficult so you need to do your research and be creative if you want to have a good design... read more.
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How Do I Learn Web Design? - Not coding, i can code well already but how to make it look good?

shadowx
Hi all. In my quest to become a website creator I have a big obstacle.. when it comes to design, eg making things look good i might as well be blind. Im useless!

I can code to a decent standard in HTML PHP CSS MYSQL and JS but i am useless at making a nice design. So wha im after is advice on how to learn this, what i fear is a response of "you can *learn* how to design, you either can or you cant.". Its really important that im able to design a nice looking website because not many people have a concise set of drawings from which to code the website.

Any advice and link will be greatly appreciated here, ive tried looking through google but most sites just try to teach me how to write HTML which i already know.

Thanks in advance, i hope.

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truefusion
Do you get inspired easily? I would recommend going to graphics(-heavy) websites and taking some time to analyze and examine things, to try and figure out how to pull off similar effects easily. Although you can pull off a nice-looking website with just HTML and CSS, sometimes a simple background gradient (whether it's for the body or other elements) can really help spice things up; especially gloss-like effects. Gloss effects aren't hard to make either. Practice makes perfect.

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shadowx
Hmm i hadnt thought of that yet it seems the most logical and easiest first step to take here. Currently im experimenting with the GIMP making a little banner, see how that ends up. That might also be one of my weaknesses, my access to gfx programs, i only really have the GIMP so if theres any other free and good gfx programs then suggest them too if you know of them!

Meanwhile ill be surfing websites looking at their colour themes and such. Good idea!

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fffanatics
Best way to design is just to fool around with different effects and such in either the gimp or photoshop. Then try to piece together similar looks and make the colors look the same. There also are a few books on this but i completely forget the names of them. Look at other peoples designs and then try to create your own. Those are the only ways i know of on how to learn how to make good designs. It takes lots of practice and lots of messing around. Then you will be able to just vision a design and go with it.

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odomike
Lets say you start by learning the graphic designing softwares as they play a very important role in the final outlook of your webpage designs. Some examples of these softwares are Adobe Photoshop, Adobe Fireworks, Adobe Illustrator, Xara Xtreeme, Adobe Flash professional (for flash) animations. I would recommend you use Adobe Photoshop (that is what I use and I am using the CS3 Extended version) or Adobe Illustrator CS3 and Adobe Flash CS3 Professional if you wanna make them flash animations.

Consider checking out what other people have done. try to learn some of the tricks and cuns in the designs as they will be a gr8 aid to your later designs. From there, you can build your own knowledge.

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shadowx
are there any decent free gfx programs about? being, currently, unemployed i dont have the cash to splash on software at the moment.

At college they had photoshop and some of the built in effects are brilliant for this kind of thing but i dont have photoshop or access to it unfortunately.

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truefusion
Since the GIMP is more manual work than Photoshop (since Photoshop provides more convenience/automatic processes), if you can master the GIMP, you would practically be mastering Photoshop but being somewhat more experienced. The GIMP is not all that different than Photoshop. The GIMP, feature-wise, is very close to Photoshop 6, especially the development version of the GIMP. The main things that the GIMP is missing that Photoshop 6 has are adjustment layers, group layers and styles. The GIMP 2.4 will be very nice. The current development version of the GIMP has some very convenient features and better organized menus.

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shadowx
Ah i see, in that case i shall continue using the GIMP until the give away of the day is photoshop tongue.gif I did just find a nice use of the Soft Glow filter in the GIMP which i never even noticed before so i guess its all about experimenting with the software till you find something nice

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midnightvamp
I also think that it's important for you to look around at different sites and just really think about what it is that makes you like and dislike certain parts. Before I try to do any sort of designing these days I do a lot of looking around on the web to get ideas of what is out there and try to implement what I feel are the best parts of a variety of designs to my work.

A lot of the design comes from the preplanning. You can't usually just start out with nothing and hope that it amounts to something and skip all the stages in getting there.

Think about the things that you will need in your design. What are the important elements that you need to display somewhere on your page? Which ones are more important as to need a more prominante area on the site?

You'll also have to think about colour schemes. Do you have any ideas about what kind of colours you'd like? Again, look around and see how other people are working with there colours. If you have an idea for your logo or whatever... you can use some of the colours from it and try to blend everything around you site to match that basic theme.

Often what I do when it comes to colours, is with my Photoshop open, I grab the images that I want to have as the header for my site and then use the eye dropper tool to 'pull' the colours from the images, so that I can use the same colours from there around my site, which will makes things all match in together more easily. Play and experiment with the software (I see you're using GIMP, so try out and see what you can make that program do... the more you play around, the more you'll learn of the program! I know it's a bit harder to get it to do the things that you want than it would have been with Photoshop, but I've still seen many great things produced out of that program that far surpass my abilities in Photoshop, so I know it can be done.)

You'll also have to think about things such as navigation. If you have a poorly planned out navigation system designed on your site, it will prevent many of your visitors from finding all of your pages. So try to think about how you could best work that into your design as well.

If you look around on other people's sites, you will be able to see the different methods that are used most often when it comes to design.

I think a lot of design can be improved with some work, because I was in a bunch of design courses over the years while I was at college. No - I'm not the greatest designer... though I also wasn't the worst... but one thing I did notice (since I had the same class from start to finish in school)... all the people - the good ones and the bad ones at design, ALL improved over the years that we were there. Some improved more, while others improved less... but no one left the course without learning a thing about design. So, it is possible to get better at designing. I think a lot of it though is just working with different ideas and a lot of planning ahead.

I find that everytime I redesign my site (and I've done a few redesigns.... ) it gets just a little better, because I can see where I've gone wrong, and what I can do to fix it up just a little bit more. Things aren't going to be amazing over night, but little by little, they are improving, so I think that's a good sign.

Just keep at it, and hopefully you'll see your designs showing some improvements as well smile.gif

And just remember - if there is one thing to learn from all of us... I think the key is to look at what other people have done. No - don't copy one site exactly... but use the elements that you like from several sites, improve the elements where you find problems, and add your own elements where you feel necessary. Reference many sites and you should start to see what many of the 'good ones' all seem to have in common. (I take a lot of screen captures of sites when I am looking around for reference material, just so you know wink.gif).

Anyway, best of luck to you!

 

 

 


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Midori
What you have to do is check out all the programs for graphics like GIMP or photoshop, I recremmend using photoshop just because it is soo much easier. Then once you have it then you must practice and follow tutorials, I see more photoshop tutorials so I'll post a great site for tutorials incase you need some if you don't like it then google is always the best to find some just type in, "Ps TUTs." Anways the site I am going to show you is liken a site where graphic sites submit in it so you may see some gone but it's ok there is much more better ones: http://pslovers.com/ it should help, just keep practicing but yeah I'm with truefusion with the glossy look because you can never go wrong with that look. for blends I have to say to use Gradient maps and use a little lasso tool and cover logo or whatever and add a new mask layer and that should blend. Thats basically all you have to know for the rest like the background just go crazy like use bunch of filters brushes until you get it right. once you have it just set the glossy look (PS Lovers have the tutorial) then your done just keep making the way you want and use the rectangular marquee tool alot, so good luck and show us your site after!

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albumfreak
Start getting some tutorials and following them and just have a look at the sites you like and take into account the certain aspects that you like about them, and then think to yourself why it is good and why it is better than what you have, and work on making yours better. Design can be difficult so you need to do your research and be creative if you want to have a good design

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threepach
QUOTE(shadowx @ Aug 14 2007, 09:20 PM) *
Hi all. In my quest to become a website creator I have a big obstacle.. when it comes to design, eg making things look good i might as well be blind. Im useless!

I can code to a decent standard in HTML PHP CSS MYSQL and JS but i am useless at making a nice design. So wha im after is advice on how to learn this, what i fear is a response of "you can *learn* how to design, you either can or you cant.". Its really important that im able to design a nice looking website because not many people have a concise set of drawings from which to code the website.

Any advice and link will be greatly appreciated here, ive tried looking through google but most sites just try to teach me how to write HTML which i already know.

Thanks in advance, i hope.



- have a look at lynda.com they have neath learning packages.

- check out ready made web templates and play with its components, (add, delete, change)

why do you wanna learn to design while you are decent developer?
i think if you focus on advanced coding rather than learning how to design, you would be professional in your own field, as these days everyone is designer being a decent coder is the ace.
design is not a logical thing like coding there are tons of ways to show same content and the one which has the highest impression on the right visitor is the best one so it's a complicated thing, sometimes i spend a week to design a page and i don't feel i'm really satisfied then i work on another one for 15 min and that's a wow.

good luck

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alfonzjanfrithz
QUOTE(shadowx @ Aug 15 2007, 04:20 AM) *
Hi all. In my quest to become a website creator I have a big obstacle.. when it comes to design, eg making things look good i might as well be blind. Im useless!

I can code to a decent standard in HTML PHP CSS MYSQL and JS but i am useless at making a nice design. So wha im after is advice on how to learn this, what i fear is a response of "you can *learn* how to design, you either can or you cant.". Its really important that im able to design a nice looking website because not many people have a concise set of drawings from which to code the website.

Any advice and link will be greatly appreciated here, ive tried looking through google but most sites just try to teach me how to write HTML which i already know.

Thanks in advance, i hope.

1. If you dont have inspiration, try to design website based on another site. its easy bro, you can found a lot of template over the internet, imitate it only for the home page. after that you can easily to design another page. Use the layout and change the color can be an alternative.
2. Dont learn to develop web, develop web to learn. Experience is the best teacher, try to make lot website, finish even it not really good. so you can see the progress in the future.
3. Use editor that can preview your project, I think dreamweaver is enough.
4. If you cannot do it alone, try to share your project with your friend. However, pair is better than personally
5. Maybe youre not good at design, but you are good in programming, join with your friend that good at design, let them make a design, and you write the program....
6. try, try, try, always try. fail is just success that pending for a while......

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bishoujo
Look at other people's websites and you'll get inspired. You should especially visit websites that provide free templates (not portfolios with tiny preview pictures). You'll have a close view of what people have done, the types of designs suited for different types of websites etc. One of my personal faves is www.aethereality.net Not sure if you'll like it. Some might find it too girlish and it's mostly anime-themed designs. But anyway, im sure there are lots of free design websites out there that you can check out. I agree with you that designing is harder than coding and i never like changing my website layout. Having good skills in photoshop helps too. Good luck to you in your quest for learning to design!

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bgdesign
If you are looking for something to do with graphics, I'd recommend using Photoshop. You can find many tutorials on tutorialized.com or talk-mania.com ... they are great sites if you are looking to learn the design aspects of web development from scratch cool.gif

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