sandymc
Feb 14 2005, 06:31 AM
Ok, this post will be quite long, I dunno of this such of post has been made by other member or not, it’s all bout how trap17 should deal with hosting credit and inactivity in forum. For one or more reason someone can’t really connect to the internet, such as logical reasons here: 1. he doesn’t have internet at home, so he only get connected while he is in school. What about if the school having long time year break holiday? Two months? 2. His computer is blow up, but his father refuse to repair it until he get a better grade on next semester. 3. He have a holiday on such a rural areas where even no phone connection available (for example: aceh, a province where suffered greatest pain cause of tsunami’s hit) 4. His parents not allow he to connect to internet due to long bill of payment in last month. 5. He got sudden stroke!! (or any great illness) and should stay at hospital for a large amount of day. 6. Because of accident, he lost his eyes, so that, he has to wait for Braille computer technology and be able to read post in the forum 7. Etc. The reason list of inactivity is not over yet, so, my suggestion is. To allow someone to be inactive within a period of days and this inactive-guys should fulfill the requirement to be inactive. 1. He should at least have 15 post in the forum, if not, then he should post until 15 to fulfill one of requirement to be inactive 2. He should post three or more in the day he request permission to be inactive 3. In his inactive-permission-request post, he should mention: what is the logical reason he use to be inactive, how long he will be inactive? What contribution has he made to appeal trap 17 admin (for example: I have already post 16 times today, or I made a cool banner for trap 17) 4. He should get reply of his permission request from trap 17 admin, before he is eligible to be inactive in a period of time he has requested. So he know his status right now. 5. If he get sudden stroke or cancer, his friend should take over his account in trap17 and post permission for his sick-friend. And here is what trap17 should do 1. Made one more subforum to provide a space for permission-request post. 2. Read the permission post has been made by member whether it is reasonable enough to let him inactive. 3. Limit the the day of inactive at most 3 months for any reason, however, trap17 admin should consider the reason has been made by the member. The reason such as having flu is not eligible to get 3 months permission of inactive 4. reply to his permission-request-post, in the same subforum or mail directly to the member, as soon as possible and provide information on: how long he can be inactive based on consideration of the reason and the contribute he has made for trap17. 5. If the account are not active yet until the limit of the day trap17 admin allow to be inactive, then the trap17 admin should suspend or delete his account. That’s all my suggestion (not only me actually, I believe more member has been thinking about it). However, it is up to trap17 admin to agree or not. Well, it’s only my suggestion. 
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finaldesign
Feb 14 2005, 02:51 PM
Now, this is some spirit there...  well done, I absolutely agree with you.. So, now we will sit down and wait to see what will our great admins say....
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FireStorm~
Feb 14 2005, 09:31 PM
I dont think he will accept to this. He will tell you to go with the paid hosting package if you want your time out and stuff like that. He says its cheap. So i mean..... His script to the thing is auto matic it will suspend you by itself. Plus you gotta go post when your inactive like 8 post then you will be unssupended so i mean its not like your gonna have to rerequest hosting just post some more to get it back thats all.
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no9t9
Feb 15 2005, 12:09 AM
The reasons for inactivity are absolutely pointless. Why did you even bother making a list? Every single person can make up some sob story about how he couldn't post.. So what? A stroke? don't be ridiculous. 1. no internet at home? get a job and buy it, goto a friends house, goto library, +many more 2. need new computer? get a job and buy another one. I got a computer from ebay for $50 3.a. holiday? obviously holidays are planned. post more before the holiday 3.b. tsunami? internet should not be your number 1 concern and also falls under the category of "*BLEEP* happens"... be glad you aren't dead. 4.big bill? GET A JOB 5. stroke? gimmie a break.. my fingers are getting carpal tunnel syndrome from typing this message so I should be able to get permission for inactivity 6. lost eyes? is your hosting that important to you? YOU LOST YOUR EYES... you should have other things to worry about.. like how you gonna make it to the bathroom so you don't wet yourself. If the reasons you listed are considered valid reasons then I submit to trap17 that I should be allowed to be inactive for the following reasons: 1. My fingers are getting carpal tunnel syndrome 2. I type slow 3. My eyes hurt from staring at the monitor while I am reading posts on trap17 4. My dog peed on my keyboard and now a bunch of letters don't work. 5. My keyboard is full of germs because my dog peed on the keyboard and I have obsessive compulsive disorder so I can't touch the keyboard anymore. 6. I'm a retard 7. etc. Please allow me to stay inactive for the above reasons... Easiest way to be inactive... POST. Build up credits whenever you have time. That way, when aliens come and disable your computer... you will have time to defeat them and reactivate it. Oh, and you can always just pay the $10 for a whole YEAR of inactivity.
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Dooga
Feb 15 2005, 12:32 AM
First of all, if you didn't have internet, you wouldn't be making or hosting a site. If you're computer blows up, most likely it won't, but IF it does, then you can't update your site anyways. If you lack internet, you wouldn't know how to make a website anyways. Most likely these things don't happen to you if you are on the internet long enough to know how to make a site. If you have medical conditions, trap17 wouldn't be the most important thing compared to your broken arm or infected eye etc. Trap17 DOES NOT and WILL NOT delete members because they are inactive for a explainable reason. Trap17 only suspend members who register just for the sake of it. It is fine to register a site to see and experience the greatest hosting in the world, and I don't object to that. However, there are also members who want to make a site etc. If they are serious about the site, they would choose trap17 (because trap17 is a professional free hosting site that welcomes medium-intermediate to advanced users). If you are only a beginner and only know how to make a link, there are plenty of hosts that offer the exact amount of space and bandwidth you need, and the easy to use features. In my opinion, Cpanel is not suitable for beginners so geocities would be good for small websites. If you are serious however, you will take longer in the making of your website, not to mention the time on the computer, and most likely, you will have time to post in the forums. If you are normally active, it wouldn't be a problem at all. For instance, I am pretty active, (even if I only have 180 posts) and I can take a vacation of one month! (70 credits left). Trap17 does allow exceptions (we are not robots) and if he administrator knows about your problem, things can be sorted out and are flexible. The new forum is a good idea, but some people might not want to post their issues or reasons here, and that's fine. There is also a PM system (Private Messaging). I hope the faithful users understand this, and that we are also humans, and that negiotiation is always possible. If you have further issues or inquiries about this subject, or if you have any comments, feel free to reply to this forum, or PM me or one of the members you trust. Thank you for your understanding. Best Regards, Dooga (It's not my real name to let you know  )
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Keeper
Feb 16 2005, 11:12 PM
As for me i'm trying never pay for anythk which i can get for free but.... if i'm going inactive for a long time it'll be a great idea to read this page CODE http://www.trap17.com/forums/forums.html CODE ATTENTION : All posts are strictly reviewed. Any member accused of spamming may be banned with an immediate termination of web hosting account (if hosted). Also Check out, Hottest Paid Web Hosting Offer at Computing Host ( partner site ) [ 50mb space @ $10 / YEAR! ] PS: Paid Accounts are hosted on separate dedicated servers for unmatched performance and uptime! I thk there is one of the way to sort out year inactivity problem ______________________ Keeper, Sons of the Dragon http://mercenaries.net.ru
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darkmeca
Feb 16 2005, 11:27 PM
'Computing Host' is a partner site i dont think thats trap17 so how will that solve the problem? unless you start off with them as your host but there are many paid hosts.
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bureX
Feb 16 2005, 11:37 PM
Easy for you to say... I connect to the internet using a Wireless (802.11b) connection, which is limited to 128kbps, I pay in advance for bandwidth to download. I don't post very much, but I do READ topics, and the fact that Trap17 is a big forum, and loaded with ads (which I try to click whenever possible), I use allot of my 100MB bandwidth (which, by the way, costs 130din - 2.5$, that is pretty much where I live). Paid hosting??? I can't even find a internet enabled credit card to buy a .net domain for my site at GoDaddy because my VISA Electron card cannot be used to make Internet transactions, and I don't know anyone near by with a VISA Internet card. I borrowed a Master Card - Business card, and I still can't buy my domain name because I don't know what is a "Customer Accounting Code"... Complicated? Yes, very... And because I will probably struggle for another month while trying to make a 10$ transaction, I can't even think about getting paid hosting. (Serbia, yuck!) My two suggestions: - If a user has a link to Trap17 on his site, he should get more (1.3 times more, for example) hosting credits when posting. - "AWAY" credits? How about you give each user once a year the possibility to add 10 free hosting credits to his account when he urgently needs to be offline (a blown up PC, for example :-), it happens)? BTW: Get a JOB??? GET REAL! I'm not over 18, and it is very difficult, even for a 20-30 year old man, to get a job here... PS: Besides all this, the hosting credits system is a great idea, and I support it... If you want regular hosting, you have to earn it!
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no9t9
Feb 17 2005, 01:06 AM
QUOTE(bureX @ Feb 16 2005, 07:37 PM) Easy for you to say...
I connect to the internet using a Wireless (802.11b) connection, which is limited to 128kbps, I pay in advance for bandwidth to download. Wireless 802.11b is not 128kbps. It is 11Mbit/s. And most internet connections are not faster than this. So your wireless is NOT a limitation OR an excuse QUOTE(bureX @ Feb 16 2005, 07:37 PM) I don't post very much, but I do READ topics, and the fact that Trap17 is a big forum, and loaded with ads (which I try to click whenever possible), I use allot of my 100MB bandwidth (which, by the way, costs 130din - 2.5$, that is pretty much where I live). http://www.trap17.com/index.php/ is the lite version of this board which is mostly text. QUOTE(bureX @ Feb 16 2005, 07:37 PM) I will probably struggle for another month while trying to make a 10$ transaction, I can't even think about getting paid hosting. (Serbia, yuck!) I absolutely do not believe that you cant get access to a VISA card for a $10 transaction. A teacher, father, mother, aunts, clergy, friends, there are so many people that have credit cards. Besides this, there are many places that take other payment options like paypal. Now, I'll admit.. I am not sure that Serbia is an accepted country for paypal. QUOTE(bureX @ Feb 16 2005, 07:37 PM) BTW: Get a JOB???
GET REAL! I'm not over 18, and it is very difficult, even for a 20-30 year old man, to get a job here... You don't have to be 18 to get a job. I know some kids who are 11 years old that deliver newspapers. There must be restaurants, grocery stores, retail stores in serbia... go wash dishes, mop floors, or stack boxes. So it all depends on what you are willing to do.
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OpaQue
Feb 17 2005, 08:14 AM
QUOTE(bureX @ Feb 17 2005, 05:07 AM) Easy for you to say...
I don't post very much, but I do READ topics, and the fact that Trap17 is a big forum, and loaded with ads (which I try to click whenever possible), I use allot of my 100MB bandwidth (which, by the way, costs 130din - 2.5$, that is pretty much where I live).
Hmm.. Good Point. When Internet access was available in my area (YEARS AGO) it was very much damn expensive.. I did this for my emails, I connected checked the mails... Disconneced... I opened NotePAD, Typed my replies.. Connected Again.. *COPY* - *PASTE* ... Bingo! Sent emails without wasting a dollar! My point is, You must be knowing something in web designing because of which you are using our service. Use you knowledge and experience and create a Tutorial, Post etc. Login to forums, Check out the latest topcis.. DISCONNECT, Type all those replies in notepad .. Connect and post. You can easily collect hosting woth 2-3 months in this fashion. QUOTE(bureX @ Feb 17 2005, 05:07 AM) Paid hosting???
I can't even find a internet enabled credit card to buy a .net domain for my site at GoDaddy because my .....
I am not even forcing anyone to go for paid hosting. QUOTE(bureX @ Feb 17 2005, 05:07 AM) - If a user has a link to Trap17 on his site, he should get more (1.3 times more, for example) hosting credits when posting.
I expect my members to be humans and show some level of courtesy and respect to the company who is giving them for free.. You never ASK money to your GF when you give her a gift. Nor she ever forces you to give u a gift. Its just want to give something back in return... I hope you understand. Anyway, We havent forced any member to link back to us. Nor made this rule mandatory. We can automatically put a link back to Trap17 on all the websites. We dont do it. So Dont argue over this !! QUOTE(bureX @ Feb 17 2005, 05:07 AM) - "AWAY" credits? How about you give each user once a year the possibility to add 10 free hosting credits to his account when he urgently needs to be offline (a blown up PC, for example :-), it happens)?
How about you post more sincerely for one month prior to going out for a vaccation. And you people talk as if you are expected to post 1000 characters for 1 credit. As for as sandymc, your Questions have been beautifully answered by No9t9 and Dooga.. And other members, I thank you for your vote of support.
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canute24
Feb 24 2005, 05:35 AM
Get some things straight: 1. Let me ask you something those who are making a big fuss of the newpaper job. You get $25. But do you have to sell newspaper for the whole day? Maybe in the morning about 1-2hrs should do it in my opinion. 2. Did you say 15kbps??? 3. I totally agree with OpaQue. In our country most have dialup for which we are charged by hour. So that's what I still do write in the notepad, sincerely, even now. I get forum digest by mail. I use outlook express. Read the topics and COPY-PASTE the replies. 4. Can't get VISA work on the net? 5. 802.11b Huh? We have 56k's which work at half the speed. 6. And now about the PC blowing up. Is your PC the only one in the world. You have to do something for what you are getting. BUT,BUT,BUT.. 1. You can't ask someone to make posts, let us assume, if he's had an important surgery, accident, etc. What do such people do? Go to inform about it? 2. And common man you can say you lost your eyes. 3. If you are so busy that you can't post then for paid hosting. No one's forcing you. But ask youselves, are you willing to leave Trap17 for any paid host. I am surely not! 4. I agree with getting jobs. It is not as easy as it is to say! Computinghost I think belongs to OpaQue? Doesn't it?
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no9t9
Feb 18 2005, 11:46 PM
QUOTE I live in indonesia, and the job such newspaper seller are really worthless. You only get Rp250.000/month, you know how much is it in $? only 25$. It is'nt big enough to afford your life (in case, you live alone). And i don't want to have any job just because i need money for paid hosting since i should concentrate on my study. $25 a month is plenty for paid hosting cause it only cost $10 a freakin year. And how many people in the world have school just like you but also WORK. You think it was EASY for me to pay for school which cost me $30,000 a year for JUST tuition? I HAD to have a job or I would have been kicked out of school for not being able to pay the fees. Besides, selling newspapers will not take you 10 hours a day 7 days a week to make the $25 a month. It is ONLY $10 a YEAR. That is basically $0.83 a month. If you made $25 a month, it would only represent 3.3% of your income. Hell, you could even quit after that month and you would have enough money for 2.5 YEARS of hosting. Don't give me that crap about a job being worthless. If it were worthless, the job would not exist.
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bureX
Feb 18 2005, 10:03 PM
QUOTE you'r dial up- is better, my max dial-up speed is only 15kbps... dang!! My phone line supports connections up to 52-56kbps. But, a PCM device, that is used to split a digital phone line into two completely functional phone lines (only with double reduced internet speed) is attached to it. Before my phone company (the only one in the country) came to it's senses, and converted my old analog phone line to a digital one, my connections were limited to 21kbps at night, and 12kbps at day! The connection just "snapped" after a few minutes of connectivity. QUOTE I live in indonesia, and the job such newspaper seller are really worthless. You only get Rp250.000/month, you know how much is it in $? only 25$. It is'nt big enough to afford your life (in case, you live alone). And i don't want to have any job just because i need money for paid hosting since i should concentrate on my study. You have just proved my point. Thanks. Anyway, I am only trying to make the best web host around get even better. Hope you understand. If you only focus on the citizens of the USA or some other developed country, you are making a great mistake. There are people outside these countries that are willing (despite their lower standard of living) to contribute to this community, have fun while they are at it, and still get the best hosting around!
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sandymc
Feb 18 2005, 01:23 AM
QUOTE 802.11b connections are limited to 11mbps. But, MY ISP LIMITS THE CONNECTION TO 128KBPS!!! BTW: When I use up all of my bandwidth, I use a dial up connection also, which cannot go faster than 28kbps!
you'r dial up- is better, my max dial-up speed is only 15kbps... dang!! QUOTE You don't have to be 18 to get a job. I know some kids who are 11 years old that deliver newspapers. There must be restaurants, grocery stores, retail stores in Serbia... go wash dishes, mop floors, or stack boxes. So it all depends on what you are willing to do.
I live in indonesia, and the job such newspaper seller are really worthless. You only get Rp250.000/month, you know how much is it in $? only 25$. It is'nt big enough to afford your life (in case, you live alone). And i don't want to have any job just because i need money for paid hosting since i should concentrate on my study. QUOTE If the reasons you listed are considered valid reasons then I submit to trap17 that I should be allowed to be inactive for the following reasons: 1. My fingers are getting carpal tunnel syndrome 2. I type slow 3. My eyes hurt from staring at the monitor while I am reading posts on trap17 4. My dog peed on my keyboard and now a bunch of letters don't work. 5. My keyboard is full of germs because my dog peed on the keyboard and I have obsessive compulsive disorder so I can't touch the keyboard anymore. 6. I'm a retard 7. etc.
Man... i'm not joking! do you think i'm laugh?nope! you should respect other who are lower than you, financially or physically. The reasons you wrote above are tottally illogical... 1. in some rural are, in a high-poverty rate city, it is possible if there is no library with internet, no internet cafe and etc. Only in School (it's even slow dial up connect). 2. to get 30 hosting credit for 30 day of holiday in rural area? should we forced ourselves to post that many? most of the post should be meaningless or just spamming. 3. My teacher went to aceh for charity event there. And he unable to connect to internet, even it is very hard to get cellphone signal. And is tsunami arrival planned before? QUOTE 4.big bill? GET A JOB i really hate this "GET A JOB" words.... easy for ya to say, but hard for me to get the job. Afterall, it's only my sugestion  , you may not agree or agree with that. but, please don't think everyone are living in the same condition with you.
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Señor Maniac
Feb 17 2005, 08:28 PM
Man alot of people are asing lot from probably the best free web-host on the internet. These nice people are the only ones that I have actually seen that give you the newest version of cpanel with your hosting. Also what free web host will offer youup to 20000 megs of bandwidth. Sure you may find that on some other site. But most of the time it is either not true or they have banners everywhere, Or pop-up ads. And the thing about being away from trap is not that big of a deal. Sure there are cases in which you have a computer crash or something like that happen. But when that happens you tell tem the situation and they will take care of it. I know because the same thing has happened to me while I was moving. I could not sign on to the internet becasue we had no phone. So when I was finally able to get back on to trap I told them waht the situation and I got my account back in a couple of hours. So I think that alot of you need to stop complaining about stuff that is really minor and let it go unless it is affecting you in some-way. Anways keep up the good work trap and thanks for the hosting.
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how many credits you receive. The staff even announced it, and it should be quite obvious, really.
Credits are determined by the content and quality of your posts. Make longer ones, I guess. 2. So
how do I sustain a nifty amount of credits? First, set a time you can post at trap17 ....
Credit Shop
people can buy stuff with credits (7) I say you should create an online store with which you can sell say, top level domains for like,
2000 points or something, get rid of ads for 3500 points, something like that. I bet lots of people
would join this program... and smaller credit things, like a small increase in disk space, or an
extra MySQL database or another subdomain... Something of that sort. Just a suggestion, and
i'm pretty sure somebody else has probably already posted something to this effect. Just wanted
to see if any moderators or higher level staff here would be interested in this kind of....
Negative Hosting Credits Suggestion
(0) im suggesting that there should be a limit that your credits can go into the negatives. a while ago
i was really busy with school, sports, and everyday stuff. during this time, i did not have much
time to get online and i stopped going to this site for awhile. now i am back and want to get my
site back up so i can try some things. the thing is, my credits are way below zero. currently im at
-31 hosting credits. and you need 5 credits to get your site back up (i think its 5, not sure). i
was thinking that it might be an okay idea if you put a limit to how far your credits....
Add Hosting Credits In Assistant Popup
wish you would add credits in assistant (1) I never logout of my account and so everytime i go to the site i have to make sure that i'm on
the right page to see how many credits i have. Wish it would show up when i clicked on the assitant
list. would sure make my life tons easier. round ....
New Hosting Package
For Those of Us Who Need Space/Bandwidth (10) I had a new idea for a hosting package that could cost like 40-50 credits it would contail the
following features: 500mb space 1 gp bandwidth This is the best feature: the ability to provide
hosting and you control how many subdomains, ftp accounts, how much space, bandwidth, ect. So what
does everyone think?....
Hosting Credit Mods
Why Not? (7) Why not you gives put the hosting credit system into a mod and make it available for us to download
and put them on our site with the copyright to you guys and a link? This will improve more members
to your forum and also help us? /laugh.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle'
alt='laugh.gif' /> ....
Trap Points? Every Post= 1 Point
every hosting is doing this (7) the way it goes is u install some sort of currency thing so when someone makes a post or a reply
they get a dollar (in ur case a trap17 dollar) which then when ppl have made enough posts like 50
posts which will = to 50tdollars den they would be rewarded or something like say have a choice to
have an xtra 10mb or something....
Fixing The Portal
The Portal of the Free Web Hosting (1) I dont know if its only the Firefox Browsers or your guy's coding but on the portal text is like
out of their boxes and ontop of images, its kinda cool but ya look weird......
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