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I dont believe that there should be a death penalty, for one reason and one reason only. What if they get it WRONG. From 1973 until 2003, 103 people were released from death row, (and prison), in the USA, with evidence of their innocence proven in court. How many were not? How many were deliberately put there on false evidence. Call me a cynic, but not all policemen are good blokes... Some are dow... read more.
The murderer doesn't value life and kills, can the law be put into the murderes place? The law that sentences that person should in theory value life, thats why its law, and therefore death penalty is wrong since when in use, law contradicts itself.
The death penalty is a result of the basic human instinct of revenge, some sufficiently advanced societies can overcome instinct. Others don't.
I think the death penalty is the best thing the US has to deter people from murder. In the end, killers usually don't care or are willing to take the chance of getting caught. Although this is a bit harsh, I believe that instead of a life in prison or death penalty sentence we should have the said convicted criminals do manual labor until at least retirement age. Doing manual labor a criminal would be able to give back to the community which he/she has hurt. I believe that lifelong manual labor would also be a great deterant, and cause people to consider if murder is really worth it. With manual labor as the penalty no one would get off easy and the government would save money.
Cold blooded killers, the one's who would really deserve the death penalty, are going to kill no matter what. I don't believe that the death penalty has deterred anyone who was messed up enough to go out and kill people.
If someone has a mental deficiency large enough to make them want to kill someone else, I doubt that hearing about some unknown person being killed in some unknown room in a more than likely unknown prison (unless they've been before, then we have to worry about why such a person was ever let out) is going to deter them from doing anything. I would be more worried about being locked in a single room for the rest of my life.
QUOTE(UnheroicHero @ Dec 17 2004, 11:45 PM) If someone kills another person in self-defense, it's fine. But if they murder another person, they obviously don't value life. Why then should they be allowed to continue living when they don't value life?  Agreed.
Yes, there should be a death penalty
for premeditated murders furthermore it should be "given" in the same way and with the same cruelty that the murder was done , not in some humane painless and quick method. QUOTE(joshua132 @ Dec 18 2004, 02:10 PM) I think the death penalty is the best thing the US has to deter people from murder. In the end, killers usually don't care or are willing to take the chance of getting caught. Although this is a bit harsh, I believe that instead of a life in prison or death penalty sentence we should have the said convicted criminals do manual labor until at least retirement age. Doing manual labor a criminal would be able to give back to the community which he/she has hurt. I believe that lifelong manual labor would also be a great deterant, and cause people to consider if murder is really worth it. With manual labor as the penalty no one would get off easy and the government would save money. That's good if the murderers really will do manual labour. They'll probably just get away and do nothing. QUOTE(BoSZ @ Dec 21 2004, 07:21 PM) Yes, there should be a death penalty for premeditated murders furthermore it should be "given" in the same way and with the same cruelty that the murder was done , not in some humane painless and quick method. It would be just a kind of revenge... killing the murderers are useless except that it encourages revenge. And if the society have to use "the same cruel way" to kill the murderer, there'd be no differences between the murderer and the society.
if you are thinking the death penalty is a really great thing, read the book "the chamber" by john grisham. i guarantee this will change your opinion. i still believe that the death penalty is a good thing, so long as it's done correctly. in some countries, you receive the death penalty for stealing (ie safrica), in this case it's a nightmare situation, people have to steal to live, and it's game over for the theif if they're caught, or the people who are trying to catch them. remember, it's no applied everywhere like it is in the US.
QUOTE(UnheroicHero @ Dec 17 2004, 11:45 PM) If someone kills another person in self-defense, it's fine. But if they murder another person, they obviously don't value life. Why then should they be allowed to continue living when they don't value life? I agree... One thing is 100% guaranteed if a person receives a death penalty...he/she is punished for his/her crime and he/she no longer: 1. locks up the justice system in unnecessary appeals and red tape 2. wastes an exhorbitant amount of tax dollars 3. overcrowds the prisons, therefore having more beds for lesser offense criminals who could benefit with rehabilitative services. 4. sends a very strong message that crime does pay 5. commits another crime again! Having said this, I believe that individuals, families, churches, societies, etc. have a responsibility to nurture a child with good moral values and give them an opportunity to see themselves as valued individuals, able to contribute positively in society. Listen carefully... The time to enforce punishment is not right after the crime has occured but systematically and with good judgement from the very early years of childhood onward. This is not a 100% guarantee that little Johnny won't kill when he is an adult but his desire to resort to only killing to deal with the world will be greatly reduced. Thank you and Merry Christmas! 
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I dont believe that there should be a death penalty, for one reason and one reason only. What if they get it WRONG. From 1973 until 2003, 103 people were released from death row, (and prison), in the USA, with evidence of their innocence proven in court. How many were not? How many were deliberately put there on false evidence. Call me a cynic, but not all policemen are good blokes... Some are downright criminal.
103 people in 30 years might not sound like a lot, but if even 1 innocent person gets killed by the state, thats 1 too many. And I'll bet that every one of those 103 folks wouldnt care that it sounds like a small number either. Thats the only argument I have, and I'll stand by it. Thank god we dont have it in this country. QUOTE(goldtupac @ Mar 15 2008, 07:40 PM) If a person murders another person i think there should be no death penalty. Given the nature of the crime premeditated or not they should not be killed for killing someone. But if a person murders multiple people like 2, 3, or 4 then yes they should face the death penalty. Also if a child is murdered then they should face the death penalty right away. There should be no excuse besides self defense but now a days you some times cant even get off for self defense. Of course there's no excues for murder, but there is an excuse from death penalty. If you give the prisoner a life sentence, which is recommended for murder, only if he breaks out can you really give him/her the death penalty for repeat offenses. If a child is murdered you can force him to adopt a child while he is in prison, and put him in a padded room instead of one with hard concrete walls. If you kill someone for self-defense, you can't call it murder, because murder is killing with the intention of killing. So, your argument is inconsistent.
If a person murders another person i think there should be no death penalty. Given the nature of the crime premeditated or not they should not be killed for killing someone.
But if a person murders multiple people like 2, 3, or 4 then yes they should face the death penalty. Also if a child is murdered then they should face the death penalty right away. There should be no excuse besides self defense but now a days you some times cant even get off for self defense. QUOTE(rs redemption @ Feb 15 2008, 10:10 PM) I fully believe in the death penalty. I believe that if you murder someone, why should mercy be spared on your life? Did you stop to see if anyone would mind before you killed someone? I doubt it, so why should we stop to see if anyone cares if you die. Everyone is cared about in one way or another, so not only are you hurting the person you kill, but their family, and I believe that you do not deserve to live after something like that. I also think it should be spread out to people who commit other sorts of crimes, such as rapists and child molesters. These crimes can ruin the lives of the victims, and shouldn't the criminal also have to pay, and I mean a little more than living for free with 3 free meals a day, and just being bored all the time. Next thing you know, it will spread to abortionists and robbers. I don't believe in the death penalty simply because of two reasons: One, because if the death penalty is incurred, it will start to leak down into smaller crimes as well, and two, that these murderers can get over it and still be valuable members of society. I've also heard that while in prison, the murderers are so bored that they start going mad and wishing they were dead. As well, some people murder for religious or spiritual reasons (read: Al-Qaeda), and will consider dying an honor. Do you want to give them that honor, or make them pay by not killing them and withholding it? Even Christians shouldn't be so fast to embrace the death penalty. Maybe Jews who still follow Mosaic law, but not Christians. Did Jesus not say, "Forgive not seven times, but seventy times seven." If the murderer does repent during the 25 years that he is in prison, then he should not receive any further punishment, other than the life sentence that he already has. As well, the death penalty is slowly dying out itself. Even the US only had about 1,000 institutional murders last year, down from 10,000 a few decades ago. Although it is legal in almost all the states, the death penalty is slowly diminishing into non-use in developed countries. If you really want it back, voice out your opinion. QUOTE I believe that if you murder someone, why should mercy be spared on your life? Did you stop to see if anyone would mind before you killed someone? I doubt it, so why should we stop to see if anyone cares if you die. Everyone is cared about in one way or another, so not only are you hurting the person you kill, but their family, and I believe that you do not deserve to live after something like that. Then why is it that the US is looking into more humane ways to kill people? If it really is as you say, then why not give the murderers a slow, painful death? Preferably by using the good ol' breaking wheel, or shooting a lead bullet into their stomach. Maybe you could use an electric chair set at 10,000 volts at 0.1 ampères? That would take 25 seconds to kill them.QUOTE(encryptopath @ Feb 15 2008, 02:51 PM) I am split between two sides on this topic The death penalty looms in america to put off criminals committing murder/extreme drug crime. If that wasn't upheld , then the crime rate would rise even faster. They ignore it and they know what to expect. Then they campaign against it , saying it's inhumane and that it is a breach of human rights. For me , as soon as you influence the death of somebody else, your human rights disintegrate. You don't deserve them anymore when you've ignored somebody else's. On the other hand , people could have been disoriented, confused, influenced, mentally ill. But that doesn't usually take effect on a death penalty trial. But if they recovered when the trial took place, death would be imminent. =/ I don't think I'll ever make my mind up The point here is the difference between civil rights and basic human rights. Just because you rape someone doesn't make you any less human than if you didn't. (Of course, some people would argue otherwise.) Of course you throw away your civil rights when you commit a crime, such as the right to vote, speak freely, and move freely. But your basic human rights, like the right to life, still remain. (Of course, in the case of a fetus, it does not have the basic human rights yet, not because they were taken away, but simply because they weren't given yet. I don't want to contradict myself by supporting the choice of abortion.)
I fully believe in the death penalty. I believe that if you murder someone, why should mercy be spared on your life? Did you stop to see if anyone would mind before you killed someone? I doubt it, so why should we stop to see if anyone cares if you die. Everyone is cared about in one way or another, so not only are you hurting the person you kill, but their family, and I believe that you do not deserve to live after something like that. I also think it should be spread out to people who commit other sorts of crimes, such as rapists and child molesters. These crimes can ruin the lives of the victims, and shouldn't the criminal also have to pay, and I mean a little more than living for free with 3 free meals a day, and just being bored all the time.
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