I Hate Site Builders. - Mainly things like piczo and freewebs.

Dagoth Nereviar

May 19 2006, 10:59 PM

Loads of people i know, who have very little HTML knowledge, use Piczo. And now, anyone with one of these sites, think they have the best websites ever! All it usually is pictures and text randomly thrown on a page, with very-hard-to-navigate links. Freewebs is basically the same. I'm not sure about my space, I think it uses HTML, but I hate myspace websites.

Anyways, back on the point, does anyone else know people who use piczo and think they are the best website builders in the world? I tried to teach one how to HTML, got stuck on tags

Zabb

May 19 2006, 11:51 PM

annoys the hell outta me
I wtite html and php w/ graphics and flash and these highschool kids make a P.O.S. site and try saying they're a web designer..
I write some pretty cool stuff and I wont even cal myself a web designer

arnz

May 20 2006, 12:44 AM

I'll admit those "things" are very dodgy, especially those ones from the likes of geocrud, tripod and so on... What probably annoys me more is those in myspace that add animated gifs as a background, have rather annoying MIDI music (rather than mp3s).. then claim they are a web designer although it's very hard to read the text of some myspace blogs.

Justin S.

May 20 2006, 06:56 AM

I think that website builders are stupid. With html its custom. Not all tacky and the same piece of crap.

truman69

May 20 2006, 03:12 PM

the gals at my old school go nuts about piczo best thing is all the sites are same loads of pics of them and my best friend page and stuff like that and they like you been on my website the gals love it because they can leave messages to each other in school. i hate them freewebs is ok myspace is boring

shadowx

May 20 2006, 05:15 PM

the freewebs site builder sucks but you can write your own code which is usefull for absolute beginners who only need html and javascript to begin learning. My space is possibly the worst invention ever in the whole world. it doesnt deserver the three seconds of time it took to create the idea IMHO. and piczo....oh dear god! its good for one thing wasting time. Their guestbooks are possible the worst ive ever seen. and the people that make them generally have nothing to do with their lives so they make a tacky looking cheap and stupid website that makes no sense atall and as already said the navigation is not even worth having there and the fact that they TRY to protect the pictures from being copied by fail miserably makes it worse. Ive never used any of the sitebuilders above properly although i did start with a freewebs template and modify it. Ive only seen the outcome of silly little people begging me to sign their blogs or whatever. These and other site builders do nothing good for this world and shiuld be banned. Some PROPER wysiwyg editors such as fireworks are ok because theyre not like site builders with silly templates and uncustomizable layout and design.

I hate them too!

AnGeL KiSS

May 20 2006, 06:16 PM

I hate those kind of sites-- I too code my stuff on Notepad and then upload them on FTP. It's muchoooo faster anyway, and some of those sites have icky Ads.

Tetraca

May 20 2006, 07:02 PM

QUOTE(Dagoth Nereviar @ May 19 2006, 10:59 PM)

Loads of people i know, who have very little HTML knowledge, use Piczo. And now, anyone with one of these sites, think they have the best websites ever! All it usually is pictures and text randomly thrown on a page, with very-hard-to-navigate links. Freewebs is basically the same. I'm not sure about my space, I think it uses HTML, but I hate myspace websites.
Anyways, back on the point, does anyone else know people who use piczo and think they are the best website builders in the world? I tried to teach one how to HTML, got stuck on tags

MySpace uses HTML, but half the profiles have such malformed CSS and HTML that it can crash your browser, or even your computer if its old.

I don't use website builders because I can't stand templated designs. I use Macromedia Dreamweaver to create pages so I don't have to memorize all that XHTML standards stuff and I have easy control on how my site looks on web standard browsers..

Dagoth Nereviar

May 20 2006, 09:09 PM

QUOTE(Tetraca @ May 20 2006, 08:02 PM)

MySpace uses HTML...

I knew that it had HTML somewhere, but do the users handwrite it themselves, or is it like the dreamweaver buttons? I'll have to look into it sometime...

QUOTE(Tetraca @ May 20 2006, 08:02 PM)

I don't use website builders because I can't stand templated designs. I use Macromedia Dreamweaver to create pages...

I also use DreamWeaver, but only because it's easier to use than Notepad

icemarle

May 20 2006, 09:55 PM

Ugh... I remember I used to use those a lot when I was 8. Thankfully I moved over to the light and studied HTML. I was an enthusiastic coder at 9... I'm not sure about now.

I forgot most of what I could code. The annoying thing is, people think they have the best sites ever. I also had this classmate who was trying to get into the world of websites... She had an overly glittery page, slapped on some animations and made HeR teXt hard to read. I've been coding for a long time, and I've learned by experience what kind of website people like... :/ Maybe I shouldn't have told them I have a website. When I do, they usually end up making their own, and they don't do it well.

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armondtimesbelize

Aug 6 2008, 11:22 PM

When i first began designing websites, like most people just staring out, i knew nothing about HTML. So i used the website builders and, at first, i really like them because i didn't know better. But then i was tired of not being about to modify their templates. So i decided to learn HTML and using ftp to transfer my files. I began using notepad with the little HTML knowledge i had. Then i used Microsoft Front Page, which helped me a lot. But know I'm using Adobe Dreamweaver and Macromedia Flash to design cool animations for my website. Overall, i don't think those website builders or their templates are the best thing to do. I would recommend anyone to learn HTML and use an WYSIWYG program, because you can control the layout and design how you want it to be. Besides, the best website designs weren't done using someone's template or site builder, but getting down and doing some real work.

Efrain was here.

bangms

Aug 1 2008, 07:32 AM

I think they're useful to some but I agree that it teaches the person who's making the site absolutely nothing. They're alright if you're making like a quick site to show your family all your pictures or whatever but if you want to make more serious sites, then you definitely want to learn HTML, CSS, PHP, Javascript, etc. on your own. I'm trying to learn myself because I want to make my sites cleaner and more custom.

Bluebear

Jul 31 2008, 10:54 PM

I started out with Piczo. I was the first person on the entire island to try it, and suddenly everyone had it. I got quite good making them. I focused mainly on designs and graphics, so drag&drop was very easy for me. I also had a lot of pictures of me and my friends. It was kind of fun, but I do not feel very excited about looking at Piczo sites now. When I first started out my page was full of glitter graphics, little blinking animations and things like that. I remember that the most annoying thing was that it was so hard to find a name, and even though you found one and no one else had it: sometimes it just would not get approved. Horrible, I know.

After everyone started with Piczo I tried out Freewebs. I felt so cool! "I can do Freewebs, and that is like a million times harder than Piczo... it looks more professional too." I got very quickly tired of it, so I just quit. I have like 20 different Piczo sites and it is very fun to go back to them and take a look at them. Most of them look horrible.

Piczo has some much ads now! I was shocked when I took a look at it. It is horrible, it was not like that before. But I suppose it is good for beginners. Without Piczo I would never gotten into Photoshop and the web in general. Thank you for that!

Stridr

Jul 25 2008, 11:06 AM

You guys maybe right, but I think they target a different audience of users, not for people who can code like a pro with Dreamweaver and Fireworks, but just something simple, for people to set up a basic site of their own quickly. Just like the Blogger platform, simple and low functionality yet draws so many bloggers that need just a simple blog.

Stridr

Jul 25 2008, 11:06 AM

You guys maybe right, but I think they target a different audience of users, not for people who can code like a pro with Dreamwea just somethinver and Fireworks, but just something simple, for people to set up a basic site of their own quickly. Just like the Blogger platform, simple and low functionality yet draws so many bloggers that need just a simple blog.

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